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bjelks
Post #46
Saturday February 13, 2021 11:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,009
Original post from Philip

I'm not a hater, I never compared any teams or players, I just pointed out the problem with what you said. Weah has three league starts. He is a bench player. He gets minutes and hopefully he continues to perform. If he doesn't he could find himself on another team next year before he even gets a chance at champions league minutes.


His starts have come recently. So based on current run of form it is true that he's a spot starter.
There's no problem with anything that I said and when I say UCL I don't mean it completely in the literal sense. I mean this player is good enough for that level on a based on quality and available info. Hate is when you imply a player failing, he's quality and he'll be fine no matter what happens around him. That's what you gotta understand, quality decides players faits not stats.
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Samtom23
Post #47
Sunday February 14, 2021 1:32am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 574
Original post from bjelks

His starts have come recently. So based on current run of form it is true that he's a spot starter.
There's no problem with anything that I said and when I say UCL I don't mean it completely in the literal sense. I mean this player is good enough for that level on a based on quality and available info. Hate is when you imply a player failing, he's quality and he'll be fine no matter what happens around him. That's what you gotta understand, quality decides players faits not stats.


We are getting close to what you say but not quite there yet. We have a lot of young quality but it isn't proven on the World Stage, i.e. World Cup. I have high hopes for 2022, I think USA stands a good chance of being a surprise team in the tournament. Our Euro Squad has loads of potential, our domestic squad can stabilize the team when the young guys with potential are misfiring.

I do think we could compete with Uruguay at this moment in time but they have one advantage we don't have-his name is Edison Cavani. We don't have a world class top ten striker like him, nor do we have a Luis Suarez. I am hoping Sargent starts scoring goals consistently and also hope for Daryl Dike. I think Dike would perform will enough in the Championship that a Premier League team will trigger his 20 million dollar release clause.

But I do enjoy the positive outlook.

Philip
Post #48
Sunday February 14, 2021 2:46am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 72
Original post from bjelks

His starts have come recently. So based on current run of form it is true that he's a spot starter.
There's no problem with anything that I said and when I say UCL I don't mean it completely in the literal sense. I mean this player is good enough for that level on a based on quality and available info. Hate is when you imply a player failing, he's quality and he'll be fine no matter what happens around him. That's what you gotta understand, quality decides players faits not stats.

You said we have more champions league players and that means we are better. That is not how this works. I also never implied anything about any player failing. You need to understand quality will show up in stats. Quality will impact the games and it is quantifiable. I have said from the start I hope these players continue to improve and when Weah becomes more than a bench player I will call him that. I will credit him as a champions league player when he plays in the champions league.

BG6
Post #49
Sunday February 14, 2021 5:32pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 102
Original post from Philip

You said we have more champions league players and that means we are better. That is not how this works. I also never implied anything about any player failing. You need to understand quality will show up in stats. Quality will impact the games and it is quantifiable. I have said from the start I hope these players continue to improve and when Weah becomes more than a bench player I will call him that. I will credit him as a champions league player when he plays in the champions league.


Sorry but I do not agree quality can but does not have to equal stats. You actually have to watch soccer and watch players in order to determine quality. Stats can have just as much to do with circumstance as quality.

Philip
Post #50
Sunday February 14, 2021 9:32pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 72
Original post from BG6

Sorry but I do not agree quality can but does not have to equal stats. You actually have to watch soccer and watch players in order to determine quality. Stats can have just as much to do with circumstance as quality.

I'm not just talking about goals and assists. Quality impacts the game and that impact can be quantified.

BG6
Post #51
Sunday February 14, 2021 10:43pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 102
Original post from Philip

I'm not just talking about goals and assists. Quality impacts the game and that impact can be quantified.

I never said goals and assists. You have to watch a player to determine quality not look at the sum total of some arbitrary stats. Those who don't understand that and think you can tell a player performance by numbers alone don't understand the game.

hamsamwich
Post #52
Thursday February 18, 2021 3:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,700
***Steffen Robinson Brooks Richards Dest Adams McKennie Reyna Pulisic Sargent Weah.

###Horvath Cannon McKenzie Miazga Yedlin Durkin Aaronson Musah Morris Hoppe Arriola

Cj dos Santos, Moore, Ream, EPB, Olosunde, Morales, Green, de la Torre, Johansson, Soto, Sabbi. (These are players I would call to the gold cup for an extended run out but to me they'd be extras right now.)

hamsamwich
Post #53
Saturday February 20, 2021 1:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,700
Big game today for Hoppe. He already ended their winless streak, if he can put one in and get this W he can really let his reputation grow. Running directly at that back line of Dortmund will cause problems.

cudevil
Post #54
Saturday February 20, 2021 6:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,252
Looks like Morris wrecked his leg today.

bjelks
Post #55
Saturday February 20, 2021 8:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,009
Original post from BG6

I never said goals and assists. You have to watch a player to determine quality not look at the sum total of some arbitrary stats. Those who don't understand that and think you can tell a player performance by numbers alone don't understand the game.


It's only the American hipsters that think you can judge a player solely on stats bc they never learned how to evaluate the game with their eyes.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #56
Saturday February 20, 2021 10:58pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,476
Robinson went 90 in a 1-0 win over Sheffield. 3 Pts behind a struggling Newcastle side. Relegation scrap getting interesting

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #57
Sunday February 21, 2021 5:04am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,250
Original post from bjelks

It's only the American hipsters that think you can judge a player solely on stats bc they never learned how to evaluate the game with their eyes.


Such a Eurosnob lol, while stats defiantly do not define a player they do matter with respect that we can use them as one of the tools that measure a players productivity. I have heard people from many nations mention a players stats. In fact when introducing a player to a new clubs it's one of the first thing posted. Don't know where your coming from with all the American hipster stuff but since it's you I will assume you that it's just your opinion. Go easy on the new guy will ya!

Philip
Post #58
Sunday February 21, 2021 11:48am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 72
Original post from bjelks

It's only the American hipsters that think you can judge a player solely on stats bc they never learned how to evaluate the game with their eyes.

I never said "solely on stats". I said quality will impact the game in quantifiable ways. When you analyze a game and break it down into numbers quality will show. What do you see with your eyes that can't be shown with numbers?

hamsamwich
Post #59
Sunday February 21, 2021 2:58pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,700
I also am eyes guy vs stats which I think should reflect what you see with your eyes. Mentality, awareness, how they react to things, their vision and technique. I think those are the first things I look for and when a player has those I like to look at their stats as a gauge of how they are used on the field. For example now that Morris is hurt I think there's a small chance we see Arriola play as a forward some which will change his stats but he's still the same guy. Quick mentally, covers well on defense, "grows" into the game after challenges and headers etc, sees runs other don't, and while able to use both feet is I would say a 3/5 technically.

Lilshmike
Post #60
Monday February 22, 2021 4:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,602
The problem is that most people on here wear 2 different sets of glasses when they "watch" players and games.

One pair for MLS and domestic based players...

Another for foreign and European based players.

Stats are a pretty straightforward way to move out that bias. For example, Green and Lletget playing in practically the same position at relatively the same level. Lletget has consistently produced more goals and assists than Green. 2 guys, both with a similar metric to compare their rate of production... but yet one guy gets slammed for not being good enough and the other has people salivating the moment he scores a goal in his league, with those same people shouting that he needs to get a call up.

It's about bias. Plain and simple.

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