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Lilshmike
Post #256
Wednesday March 31, 2021 5:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,628
Original post from stoked-3

Yes try things out in a friendly like we just had. Yes I have watched Ream and Long play enough to know what they bring on the Int stage, havent seen much of Acosta or SL at club level bc they are in preseason. You always say club form and now you agree we need to experiment in friendlies.
So the questions remain did we learn anything new from Ream? Would it have made sense to see if EPB was at the same level as Ream so we know who we would want to call up as you said bc of covid issues etc

Re Acosta and Otas-I already admitted I do not think Owen is ready however, it is not to hard to predict he most certainly will be a contender in 26-seeing acosta is in preseason and Otas is getting EPL mins, and seeing that Acosta should have been subbed out after 15 mins-yes I think it was horrible managing to leave him in.

Your comment the GB may have told him it was his chance? That is laughable-what has Acosta done to merrit "his" chance? I would think that "chance" would be given to guys playing in better leagues, bigger clubs, etc EPB has earned it, Otas hasnt necessarily earned it but any soccer mind will say based on his progression so far he could at least received 30 mins

Re Dest I am not sure it was the plan to rest Dest. I was on a conf call with Greg B last week and he indicated playing CP, Gio,Dest more.

RE GB had a plan for Richards and Ream and it was preplanned: Well if thats the case I more scared the GB will screw this up than before. Part of coaching is adapting, if he thought he had CR for 1 game but instead had him for 2-would it make more sense to See how CR would play that role than Ream?

so yes lets continue to experiment but lets be smart of personnel, system etc
I find it ironic GB said we needed to have the same system for the U23 as the Sr team, and on the day Kries and the u23 shit the bed, GB rolls out a diff formation than the U23-you cant make that up.

All I know is that should be a wake up call on what US Soccer is doing-unlike alot of people who are looking to 26, I think we have the talent to make a deep run in 22 -I dont want GB to mess that up.

The good news is we are moving fwd albiet against crappy competition but we are moving fwd
Its not the job of the coach to put players on display for the fans to see. Sorry, it just isn't. And if you think thats a coach's responsibility, to make the fans happy by giving out charity minutes to random players that people on twitter and online message boards drool over when they've never actually fully watched or analyzed that player, then you're an idiot. EPB has been in camps. He has been in multiple training sessions. Is it possible that, after going through multiple days of practice and training, playing side by side with Ream and others, that it could have been determined that he just isn't there yet?And ideally, you want your LCB to be left footed. EPB is not that.

Acosta and Otasowie - Again... this was BEFORE failure to qualify for the Olympics. Assuming we had made it through... do you realize how many games our national was going to (and still will) have this summer? Player rotation. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Seriously... its not. But you seem too dense to actually get it. We can't pump out a full strength side for every commitment between player availability, injuries, conflicts, giving rests to guys, club restrictions, etc. So it makes sense that Acosta was given a chance because he VERY WELL COULD BE a fringe roster guy for some of these camps. This was a friendly, not a must win game, so making a sub after 15 minutes is actually stupid. Sorry, it just is. You give the guy a full half at least. And I agree, a sub should have been made sooner - but first you were calling for LDT, Aaronson.... and now shifting to Otasowie?? You're all over the map man.

And, one more thing... if you think Otasowie isn't ready to be playing yet... then why are you complaining about it? Its a waste of breath. Seriously.

Why are you comparing EPB to Acosta? Do they play the same position? No. So again, you're all over the map.

It was most certainly pre planned for how Dest was going to be used. Cannon was only in for 1 game, meaning he was going to play that one game at RB with Dest at LB. Robinson got the full game at LB in the second game, and Dest started and played 45 at RB. Reynolds got called in. Reynolds played half of 1 game. This was all pre planned.

The Richards and Ream thing was pre planned too. Again, these were friendlies. What are you complaining about? Ream playing, and actually doing decent, in a friendly that we won? Are you kidding? Come on now...

I don't think anyone doubts we should expect to do well in 22, or not have a shot, or think we shouldn't worry about it. But the reality is that with our young team, Brooks and Yedlin are the only guys in the pool currently with a legitimate shot at making it to Qatar who have been to a WC. As a result, yes, we should hope to do well and should not take it for granted, but 22 is the first step with how young and internationally inexperienced our team is. If you, or anyone else, thinks we are going to be world beaters in 22... you're delusional. We have a chance to surprise people and announce ourselves to the world by making it out of the group stages and maybe getting a win in the knockout rounds... and seeing as the guy who is leading our national team right now was a part of the last team who accomplished that type of feat in 2002... I don't think he is clueless or doesn't understand what is needed here. Truth is, he knows a who lot more than both you and I. I recognize that... you seem to think you know better than someone who has walked the walk.

So at the end of the day, you're mad about pre planned subs, player selection challenges due to covid, wanting to have 4 people start in 1 available spot, comparing CBs to CMs, complaining that your pet players (whom you've truly not seen play) didn't get enough minutes, and irritated that we experimented a bit over the course of 2 friendlies in which we won. That is just ridiculous.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #257
Wednesday March 31, 2021 7:45pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,284
Original post from bjelks

Actually mainstream media never says anything against the fed or GGG.

I havent stated one opinion, but you have yet to demonstrate any understanding of the nuances of the game. You fail to evaluate players objectively and you agree with everything the powers that be say.

That's exactly the opp of critically thinking.

You recently stated that you look white and agree with everything the powers say, so with all due respect, you're not a credible source of the minority experience.

Dan Cameron actually looks black but his actions don't show that he's in solidarity with them.
You probably should just stay away from the minority experience.

It's funny that you're ok with unqualified players being handed playing time bc you tool for the fed and don't know how to eval the game, but think you've worked for everything you have lol.


Show me even one post where I say i agree with everything the power that be say. You are just a flat out liar most of the time. You are such a hypocrite I think that's how you get under my skin most of the time. I also said people think I am white in the winter and Mexican in the Summer. I am mostly Native American so people are mostly wrong.

Lilshmike
Post #258
Wednesday March 31, 2021 8:12pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,628
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Show me even one post where I say i agree with everything the power that be say. You are just a flat out liar most of the time. You are such a hypocrite I think that's how you get under my skin most of the time. I also said people think I am white in the winter and Mexican in the Summer. I am mostly Native American so people are mostly wrong.
Hahaha bjelks is an idiot.

He finds a way to derail almost every thread to something about racism and issues that have nothing to do with soccer the moment anyone calls out his nonsense. His arguments flail in the wind and constantly shift because they are based on random things he is incapable of backing up.

Best to just let him be.

Know Nothing
Post #259
Wednesday March 31, 2021 9:54pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,934
Original post from Lilshmike

Why are you comparing EPB to Acosta? Do they play the same position? No. So again, you're all over the map.



Actually the last time we won something in CONCACAF at the youth level EPB did play the 6. So in some respects the comparison is valid.

And when you say he is all over the map he is just reading from the map drawn by GGG when he decided Lletget was a 9.

stoked-3
Post #260
Wednesday March 31, 2021 10:45pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 220
Original post from Lilshmike

Its not the job of the coach to put players on display for the fans to see. Sorry, it just isn't. And if you think thats a coach's responsibility, to make the fans happy by giving out charity minutes to random players that people on twitter and online message boards drool over when they've never actually fully watched or analyzed that player, then you're an idiot. EPB has been in camps. He has been in multiple training sessions. Is it possible that, after going through multiple days of practice and training, playing side by side with Ream and others, that it could have been determined that he just isn't there yet?And ideally, you want your LCB to be left footed. EPB is not that.

Acosta and Otasowie - Again... this was BEFORE failure to qualify for the Olympics. Assuming we had made it through... do you realize how many games our national was going to (and still will) have this summer? Player rotation. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Seriously... its not. But you seem too dense to actually get it. We can't pump out a full strength side for every commitment between player availability, injuries, conflicts, giving rests to guys, club restrictions, etc. So it makes sense that Acosta was given a chance because he VERY WELL COULD BE a fringe roster guy for some of these camps. This was a friendly, not a must win game, so making a sub after 15 minutes is actually stupid. Sorry, it just is. You give the guy a full half at least. And I agree, a sub should have been made sooner - but first you were calling for LDT, Aaronson.... and now shifting to Otasowie?? You're all over the map man.

And, one more thing... if you think Otasowie isn't ready to be playing yet... then why are you complaining about it? Its a waste of breath. Seriously.

Why are you comparing EPB to Acosta? Do they play the same position? No. So again, you're all over the map.

It was most certainly pre planned for how Dest was going to be used. Cannon was only in for 1 game, meaning he was going to play that one game at RB with Dest at LB. Robinson got the full game at LB in the second game, and Dest started and played 45 at RB. Reynolds got called in. Reynolds played half of 1 game. This was all pre planned.

The Richards and Ream thing was pre planned too. Again, these were friendlies. What are you complaining about? Ream playing, and actually doing decent, in a friendly that we won? Are you kidding? Come on now...

I don't think anyone doubts we should expect to do well in 22, or not have a shot, or think we shouldn't worry about it. But the reality is that with our young team, Brooks and Yedlin are the only guys in the pool currently with a legitimate shot at making it to Qatar who have been to a WC. As a result, yes, we should hope to do well and should not take it for granted, but 22 is the first step with how young and internationally inexperienced our team is. If you, or anyone else, thinks we are going to be world beaters in 22... you're delusional. We have a chance to surprise people and announce ourselves to the world by making it out of the group stages and maybe getting a win in the knockout rounds... and seeing as the guy who is leading our national team right now was a part of the last team who accomplished that type of feat in 2002... I don't think he is clueless or doesn't understand what is needed here. Truth is, he knows a who lot more than both you and I. I recognize that... you seem to think you know better than someone who has walked the walk.

So at the end of the day, you're mad about pre planned subs, player selection challenges due to covid, wanting to have 4 people start in 1 available spot, comparing CBs to CMs, complaining that your pet players (whom you've truly not seen play) didn't get enough minutes, and irritated that we experimented a bit over the course of 2 friendlies in which we won. That is just ridiculous.


Funny you resort to name calling.
You always say form at club matters-then argue the case for Acosta due to player rotation etc. But Acosta is not playing now, so it would have made more sense, in a friendly, to play someone else. Acosta has done nothing in MLS or his other appearance to deserve 90 mins. But I am confused how did he become a fringe player? Why does he deserve to be given a chance as you said it? Why wouldnt an inform player like EPB be "given" the chance based on his consistent club form, after all he deserves it based on club play???

You also have to look to the future and ask questions like will Ream get better, prob not he is a solid pro who will only decline, why, he is slow, and not playing for club hard to get better at an older age when sitting the bench. So what was it about Reams club form that he get called in? You rant about sitting the bench yet now you are trying to prove why Ream needed to play, yet he doesnt play for his club?

So it would make sense in a friendly to see what you have with someone like EPB. Worse case he sucks and you bring in Ream again. But it seems to me you try to build depth and you do so prior to WQC or any important tournament- so ya I think it was a waste not to see EPB. GB seems to have his guys and they get called in no matter what--

switching gears
As we saw with Kries he had no clue how to change game plan on the fly-I am sure GB had an idea of what he wanted but when you see players like LDT and Aaronson play well you adapt. I never said to play players in the same position, nor did I say anything against experimenting in fact I said I like it, so if your going to call names make sure you understand what I am saying.

Re Dest being planned to sub that early-that is direct opposite of what GB said on the conf call I was on with him-so maybe he called you privately after the call but that wasnt the plan-for CP it was, not Dest though.

Re Otas: The dude is an athlete who just started playing soccer, and has made enough of an impression overseas in a good league to get mins--he will continue to get better-so yes opportunity missed not to see him.

Not sure your mindset but am I sitting around pissed those guys didnt play, nope. but shaking my head and saying it would have been great to see them, yes.

Last regarding your statement on 2022-I disagree and am happy the players and GB disagree as well. We have several fringe world class players: Dest, CP, Gio, Brooks, then solid high level pros, Adams, Steffan, I think YM will be fringe world class soon, Then you have guys like Richards, Robinson we are solid and we have young guys like aaronson who will play a big role. So yes I am expecting us to get out of group stage and if we are playing anyone other than brazil, Germany, Spain, I expect us to get through.--we are solid and are only getting better are guys are young.

Lilshmike
Post #261
Thursday April 1, 2021 6:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,628
Original post from stoked-3

Funny you resort to name calling.
You always say form at club matters-then argue the case for Acosta due to player rotation etc. But Acosta is not playing now, so it would have made more sense, in a friendly, to play someone else. Acosta has done nothing in MLS or his other appearance to deserve 90 mins. But I am confused how did he become a fringe player? Why does he deserve to be given a chance as you said it? Why wouldnt an inform player like EPB be "given" the chance based on his consistent club form, after all he deserves it based on club play???

You also have to look to the future and ask questions like will Ream get better, prob not he is a solid pro who will only decline, why, he is slow, and not playing for club hard to get better at an older age when sitting the bench. So what was it about Reams club form that he get called in? You rant about sitting the bench yet now you are trying to prove why Ream needed to play, yet he doesnt play for his club?

So it would make sense in a friendly to see what you have with someone like EPB. Worse case he sucks and you bring in Ream again. But it seems to me you try to build depth and you do so prior to WQC or any important tournament- so ya I think it was a waste not to see EPB. GB seems to have his guys and they get called in no matter what-

switching gears
As we saw with Kries he had no clue how to change game plan on the fly-I am sure GB had an idea of what he wanted but when you see players like LDT and Aaronson play well you adapt. I never said to play players in the same position, nor did I say anything against experimenting in fact I said I like it, so if your going to call names make sure you understand what I am saying.

Re Dest being planned to sub that early-that is direct opposite of what GB said on the conf call I was on with him-so maybe he called you privately after the call but that wasnt the plan-for CP it was, not Dest though.

Re Otas: The dude is an athlete who just started playing soccer, and has made enough of an impression overseas in a good league to get mins-he will continue to get better-so yes opportunity missed not to see him.

Not sure your mindset but am I sitting around pissed those guys didnt play, nope. but shaking my head and saying it would have been great to see them, yes.

Last regarding your statement on 2022-I disagree and am happy the players and GB disagree as well. We have several fringe world class players: Dest, CP, Gio, Brooks, then solid high level pros, Adams, Steffan, I think YM will be fringe world class soon, Then you have guys like Richards, Robinson we are solid and we have young guys like aaronson who will play a big role. So yes I am expecting us to get out of group stage and if we are playing anyone other than brazil, Germany, Spain, I expect us to get through.-we are solid and are only getting better are guys are young.
I'm not calling you any names... but generally speaking, if you (or anyone else) thinks it is the job of the coach to put players on display and give charity minutes to appease the fans based on what they complain about on twitter or online forums, then you (or anyone else) is an idiot.

Do you think that is the case, that that is what Berhalter is supposed to do? Because if so, then yes, I am name calling. But if not, then find something else to complain about.

Again... you first were getting tight over Acosta playing instead of LDT, Aaronson... then Otasowie... now EPB? Seriously, you're all over the map. You are just irritated and want to lob frustration at the coach (and me) for... what exactly? That your pet players didn't get on the field? Seriously, that is ridiculous.

And again, I said I agree Acosta did poor and should have been subbed sooner. At half preferably. So what are you bitching about? And FYI, you had nothing to say about Acosta after the Jamaica game... why is that? Likely a knee jerk reaction, short term memory, and just wanting to complain about something for the sake of complaining I'd suppose since he did fairly decent against Jamaica in his 90 minutes that game. You just want to moan because YOU did not get to see different players that YOU thought SHOULD have gotten on the field... in a game we won.

I never said Ream needed to play. Find a quote where I said that... you won't be able to. Don't put words in my mouth.

What I have said, and consistently say, is that he is in the pool. I also said that we have not seen Ream and EPB play side by side in training session and in camps and that it could very well be possible that EPB is not up to snuff yet and Ream could be deemed the better option.

You do not put a player out on the field over another because they COULD be better down the road. No. You put players on the field because they ARE better than the other guy they are competing against - generally speaking. There are exceptions and sometimes you experiment or have other plans in place, decisions to be made, whatever, but generally speaking, that is how it works.

Again, you are complaining not because Ream did poorly. He didn't. You are complaining because YOU did not get to see a player that, in all honesty, you likely have not watched and analyzed his games and seen him in training and actually measured how good or ready he is.

Imagine if Berhalter thought to himself..."hmm, I wonder what stoked on yanks abroad thinks. I should check out these online forums to get a sense for what the fans want to see, and I should make my player selections and lineups accordingly."

Again, is it the job of the coach to put players on display and give charity minutes to appease the fans based on what they say they want to see on twitter or online forums?

No.

...but wait... do you want EPB to start over Acosta, or over Tim Ream? I'm confused, because I'm pretty sure he cannot start in 2 positions at once, unless you have some sort of cloning device and we can make 2 of EPB to get both on the field at once. Again, you're all over the map.

Regarding Dest... you're very likely taking what GGG said out of context. There is a difference between Berhalter saying "I want to get Christian and Sergino in the team more and consider them vital members of the squad" and Berhalter saying "I plan to play both Christian and Sergino 90 minutes in both games and will not sub them."

I wasn't on the call, but I'm willing to bet he did not say the latter.

And to build on that, I suggest you take a look at the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYo1xnQlsYw

Start the video at 12:10 and listen to the end. Basically everything I have been saying on player selections, formations, pre planned tactics... he covers. Its pretty black and white my friend. So most of your arguments are done, because GGG himself talks about a lot of the things you're complaining about.

Was that covered on your conference call?

Again, I will reiterate... it is not the job of the manager to put players on display to appease people on twitter and online message boards. It just isn't. You seem to think that his job, and friendlies, are meant to make the fans happy to see their pet players take the field.

I am not pissed that a couple random guys did not play. We won a friendly. And my mindset is that, if after being in training and side by side with a number of the other guys in camp - some of whom are fringe players at best currently - then they likely are not ready yet. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing to get uptight over.

And if you think that the only teams we should be worried about are Brazil, Germany and Spain... then are you telling me that we should expect to beat the likes of:
Argentina
France
England
Belgium
Portugal

That would mean that we are better than those teams. That is outrageously optimistic and expectations like that are completely unrealistic. We should be able to compete with those types of teams and have a shot at maybe winning... but we shouldn't get matched up against any of those nations and think "oh yeah, we got this!"

...and thats before throwing in teams like Mexico (who we struggle with), Netherlands, Croatia, Poland, Italy, African teams like Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Asian teams like South Korea and Japan.

Your expectations are a little too high my friend. And do not get me wrong, I don't think we cannot compete with those teams. But I recognize that for as good as our national team is and can be... a lot of those nations are more or less in the same position with equal if not vastly greater levels of depth.

I'll try not to respond to you after this post, because your issue is not with my points, its with me. You want to complain and argue not with the concept of what is being said, but with who is saying it. Your initial response to me was not in regards to YOUR CLAIM that Berhalter was designing a lineup to accommodate Lletget - which is just complete and total nonsense... unless of course he said that on that conference call as well. You just want to vent frustration and you targeted it at me on the boards. You do this consistently, and thats why I'm a prick back because this keeps happening.

Go outside, get some fresh air, take a deep breath. We played well in both games and got 2 wins with a less than full strength squad due to covid restrictions, Olympic qualifying, injuries, etc. Relax. Its all good.

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