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bjelks
Post #241
Monday March 29, 2021 8:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from PortCityFan

So team cohesiveness between 11 players does not matter? It's not a trophy but I do believe the Olympic "dream team", only the best collection of professional basketball players EVER, lost to a group of the best NCAA (amateur) before they went on their miraculous olympic run. The dream team tried to play as a group of individuals instead of a team, they essentially got beat by a bunch of MLS players.
We see other examples in the NFL when owners go for broke signing big name free agents in a win or bust philosophy. The teams almost always bust, excluding the Tampa Bay teams that have tried it, and the teams are blown up the next year.
I would venture to say that Man U is a prime example, and now we see Barcelona as well. Just because you bring in big talent does not mean that it meshes.
Leicester City comes to Mind of a team that has one it all with lesser options, I'm sure Jamie Vardy was on your radar though. Sometimes teams cant afford the best talent, or sometimes the best talent doesn't choose the sport that is important to you....much like in the US.


Lol if the players aren't all near or at the same level, cohesiveness will never be optimal.

This is a silly ass argument that is not related to my point that no one that wins at a high level in anything picks guys that aren't at the level of the others or add nothing to the group.

No other country makes excuses to play lesser players bc they have sentimental favorites. This is why no one respects our program.

I'm speaking in generalities, you can find an exception to every rule, but in general players don't want guys that can help left off bc they make you feel good

How bad would we bad if was left off CP, Dest, Reyna to make a baseless dumbass excuse about cohesiveness?
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bjelks
Post #242
Monday March 29, 2021 8:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,041
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Well I think there are multiple examples and I think you know it too so I am not going to even bother.
I guess it boils down to I am not sure why we're nitpicking every player selection and every person that starts so much when we are winning games. Ultimately GB will be judged on how the team performs in games that matter like the Gold Cup. WCQ and the World Cup itself. In the end he is the coach and he can pick whoever he wants to play. I know you have a lot of conspiracy theory's about race and politics etc. I don't believe any of that is true but you do and that is ok In the end we all want the team to win and be competitive with the best teams in the world. It seems to me were headed in that direction, maybe not the way I would have done it but things are so much better than they once were you won't hear me complain.


The difference between you and I is I look at the level of competition in the results and look at what we could be if we were playing our best personnel.

GGG is holding us back from reaching that level by not letting our best play together
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cudevil
Post #243
Monday March 29, 2021 9:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,273
Original post from Lilshmike

International is also segmented into 2 systems of thought - qualification for tournaments, and tournaments.

At the end of the day, qualifying is a different beast than a tournament. And tournament rosters, like the WC, tend to look different than qualifying rosters. You need to build a team for a short term tournament run, not a long haul qualifying campaign. You can't really afford to take too many risks during qualifying, but you can in a tournament where its win or bust. This impacts player selection.

They are not the same.


Most set ups are going to play the more talented player, irrespective of experience. Outside some narrow contexts (basically GK), experience should take a back seat to talent. Playing a lesser talent because he has played at the Saprissa or Azteca before isn't a winning philosophy, particularly is the less experienced player has played in big club matches.

blaise213
Post #244
Tuesday March 30, 2021 12:04am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,404
Keep the formula simple

1. USMNT Euro based squad
2. Only include MLS players that jumped the pond to Europe
3. Recruit Dual Nationals (Balogun, Malik Tillman, etc)
4. Get rid of Berhalter because he'll make a dumb ass MLS homer move that will cost him in a big game

hamsamwich
Post #245
Tuesday March 30, 2021 1:01am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,736
I think we won the games just now and the experimentation in the second game didn't come off, just like the false 9 didn't come off either. I think that's because the most experienced players lack talent and make mistakes because of it while the most talented players lack experience and make mistakes because of it. I am still reserving any judgment on the games that matter. None of these wins means anything to me but when the bell rings and things don't go according to plan that is what makes me nervous about Gregg.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #246
Tuesday March 30, 2021 1:26am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,283
Original post from bjelks

The difference between you and I is I look at the level of competition in the results and look at what we could be if we were playing our best personnel.

GGG is holding us back from reaching that level by not letting our best play together


I think the difference between us is that you think your smarter and your thoughts and opinions matter more than the professionals who actually get paid to do the Job. While I have disagreed with a lot that GB has done I can't argue with the results he has gotten and I will judge him on the games that matter. It's your opinion that GB is holding back the program, I guess time will tell.

stoked-3
Post #247
Tuesday March 30, 2021 6:15pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 213
Original post from Lilshmike

I am not surprised that you are commenting back with a long winded, argument shifting post. I'm going to comment back on the bold text though and address your points.

First and foremost - the point was made by others and yourself that Berhalter was designing a lineup to accommodate Lletget. That's just complete and utter nonsense. Truly, it is. And that is the point I was making.

I don't think Berhalter is great and like everything he does - but that's a nice little line to throw in there when you've got nothing better to lob at a person. I don't need to continually restate my feelings and stance on the guy because either you and others have wildly short term memories, or just want to put words in other peoples mouths. But there are certain things out of his control with respect to player selections, and hes got to roll with it sometimes. I recognize that. You seem not to.

Yeah... if we had a full strength squad available for selection, Lletget would be on the bench. That's really not even much of a debate. That Wales game... yeah, head scratching to put Lletget there, but he was a late addition after Sargent had to pull out, we were lacking in attacking options with Pulisic out as well, with no STs stepping up in the pool at that time, and it was a friendly. This is where you are misguided and quite clearly biased... you want GGG to put out guys YOU want to see, and want him to experiment with players YOU somehow rate, because YOU have watched extensive film on the guys and see them side by side in practice every session. But when he does that and experiments with players who YOU do not approve, then you have an issue. If you want to try something out, you need to give it a go, right? And better to do that in say... I don't know... a friendly, rather than when the games really matter. That's nothing to get uptight about. It makes sense and really is not a big deal.

You mention Ream starting over EPB, Richards and Brooks. First of all... Brooks was only available for the first game. So 33% of your frustration is unfounded right there. I don't rate Ream highly, but hes likely going to stick around through the summer, so I can see how it makes sense to get him out there... plus, in a 3 back system I think that suits him much better. Richards played in the first game, and Ream did not. Richards also was originally only supposed to be called in for the first game, so do you think its likely that Berhalter already had a plan for how to rotate players in the camp given the covid restrictions that limited player availability? I sure do. Why? Because it doesn't take a genius to understand that, and GGG himself stated it. So... that pretty much takes care of 67% of your frustration there and really only leaves EPB. EPB still seems to be one of those guys that is just on the cusp. Would have been nice to see him... but I'm not complaining about it because he won't be a game changers and his position in the pool right now is simply depth.

Acosta was bad... I will give you that. But, on page 9 of this thread, post #126, I said the following:
"Kellyn Acosta is an interesting choice... but given Olympic qualifying, its not surprising because there are a few guys in that group who are in front of him in line who I'm sure would have been called in instead, leaving GGG without many options. He will likely be a Gold Cup guy. I'd bet he plays in place of Adams in the second game."

I also said this in the same post:
"Notice also that our wingers are gone after the first game except Pulisic... makes me think that Musah may play RW in the second game, or GGG experiments with the formation."

We had no DMs available. Adams had to pull out. McKennie was unavailable. We had multiple guys that likely would have gotten called in if not for the Olympics... so what is there really to complain about? GGG is left with a short list of guys to choose from, thats not his fault. And Notice how I called he was likely going to shift Musah or experiment with the formation. Do I have some crystal ball that tells me the future? No. I just connect dots and understand the situation. You have a hard time with that it seems because you get your head too wrapped around the axel with player selections without taking into account all of the shifting variables currently at play.

Acosta was bad, yes... but we had no DMs. Berhalter clearly wants to play with at least 1 holding mid. LDT and Aaronson are not the guys to play that role. I'm fine with his selection for Acosta to start because of the personnel. Nothing to get uptight over. I would have liked to see a sub for him sooner... but I suspect that Berhalter may have told him that this was his chance to play himself into the plans for this summer and gave his some slack on the rope before yanking him out.

Otasowie has played sporadically in the EPL. So what? There are plenty of people who do, and are out of their depth and unable to make it at that level. I'm not saying that he will be one of those guys or that we shouldn't want to keep an eye on him... but you're seeming to imply that just by getting minutes in the EPL make you some automatic locked in started for our national team? Or one of the top 23? Candidly, with all players available, Otasowie likely won't be in the team. Not only that, but you want to see LDT, Aaronson, Musah, Otasowie... all together on the field at the same time? All play the same position? I'm confused, because there are very limited places to fit players on the field and limited minutes to get these guys. And again... were you there watching Otasowie compete against the other players in training? I'm willing to be he still has some work to do before we can reliably throw him in the senior team, sporadic EPL minutes aside.

Yes... Dest was a pre-planned sub. Berhalter mentioned that he was going to be monitoring minutes of some of the players, Pulisic and Dest included. Pulisic got a half last game and a full 90 this game. Dest got a full 90 last game and half this game. This was planned... no sense in getting uptight about it.

I'm cool with dropping some guys, but again... you have to put things into perspective and give the man the benefit of the doubt with some of this due to covid restirctions on players, Olympic qualifying, and schedule congestion. There is a whole lot that is out of GGG's control. Its very possible that guys like Lletget, Acosta, and Ream could get called in, not because they are the main priority and are planned starters - or because Berhalter is designing a lineup to accommodate these guys - but because we have no outlook on how long the covid restrictions are going to last, there could be injuries to other players in the pool or suspensions, travel or club conflicts based on games, etc.

All of this makes sense, has been stated publicly by the coach himself, is totally rational and understandable. Rant over.


Yes try things out in a friendly like we just had. Yes I have watched Ream and Long play enough to know what they bring on the Int stage, havent seen much of Acosta or SL at club level bc they are in preseason. You always say club form and now you agree we need to experiment in friendlies.
So the questions remain did we learn anything new from Ream? Would it have made sense to see if EPB was at the same level as Ream so we know who we would want to call up as you said bc of covid issues etc

Re Acosta and Otas-I already admitted I do not think Owen is ready however, it is not to hard to predict he most certainly will be a contender in 26-seeing acosta is in preseason and Otas is getting EPL mins, and seeing that Acosta should have been subbed out after 15 mins-yes I think it was horrible managing to leave him in.

Your comment the GB may have told him it was his chance? That is laughable-what has Acosta done to merrit "his" chance? I would think that "chance" would be given to guys playing in better leagues, bigger clubs, etc EPB has earned it, Otas hasnt necessarily earned it but any soccer mind will say based on his progression so far he could at least received 30 mins

Re Dest I am not sure it was the plan to rest Dest. I was on a conf call with Greg B last week and he indicated playing CP, Gio,Dest more.

RE GB had a plan for Richards and Ream and it was preplanned: Well if thats the case I more scared the GB will screw this up than before. Part of coaching is adapting, if he thought he had CR for 1 game but instead had him for 2-would it make more sense to See how CR would play that role than Ream?

so yes lets continue to experiment but lets be smart of personnel, system etc
I find it ironic GB said we needed to have the same system for the U23 as the Sr team, and on the day Kries and the u23 shit the bed, GB rolls out a diff formation than the U23-you cant make that up.

All I know is that should be a wake up call on what US Soccer is doing-unlike alot of people who are looking to 26, I think we have the talent to make a deep run in 22 -I dont want GB to mess that up.

The good news is we are moving fwd albiet against crappy competition but we are moving fwd

bjelks
Post #248
Tuesday March 30, 2021 7:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,041
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I think the difference between us is that you think your smarter and your thoughts and opinions matter more than the professionals who actually get paid to do the Job. While I have disagreed with a lot that GB has done I can't argue with the results he has gotten and I will judge him on the games that matter. It's your opinion that GB is holding back the program, I guess time will tell.


Lol, you give a fed that despite having more resources than any other country continues to fail to qualify for Olympics, World Cup and even win regional tournaments too much credit

You're too comfortable with mediocrity, too soft on a fed that has achieved nothing and too impressed with titles

Sometimes you have to think critically for yourself and ask tough questions to solve problems.
If you don't want to, this isn't the hobby for you

Police get paid to protect and serve, am I supposed to assume they protect and serve minorities just bc of their titles?
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #249
Tuesday March 30, 2021 10:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,283
Original post from bjelks

Lol, you give a fed that despite having more resources than any other country continues to fail to qualify for Olympics, World Cup and even win regional tournaments too much credit

You're too comfortable with mediocrity, too soft on a fed that has achieved nothing and too impressed with titles

Sometimes you have to think critically for yourself and ask tough questions to solve problems.
If you don't want to, this isn't the hobby for you

Police get paid to protect and serve, am I supposed to assume they protect and serve minorities just bc of their titles?


Haha, there you go again. Because I disagree with your opinion I am comfortable with mediocrity? You don't think going against the popular opinion is critically thinking. Most have jumped on the we hate GB because he doesn't play our pet players bandwagon. It's you who lacks critical thinking.
Funny I am a minority and I don't fear the police. I have taught my children how to be respectful and had not had any bad interactions with them.Give respect, get respect. ohh my ancestors were oppressed, I should be handed everything and not have to work hard like other people.

bjelks
Post #250
Wednesday March 31, 2021 1:14am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,041
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Haha, there you go again. Because I disagree with your opinion I am comfortable with mediocrity? You don't think going against the popular opinion is critically thinking. Most have jumped on the we hate GB because he doesn't play our pet players bandwagon. It's you who lacks critical thinking.
Funny I am a minority and I don't fear the police. I have taught my children how to be respectful and had not had any bad interactions with them.Give respect, get respect. ohh my ancestors were oppressed, I should be handed everything and not have to work hard like other people.


Actually mainstream media never says anything against the fed or GGG.

I havent stated one opinion, but you have yet to demonstrate any understanding of the nuances of the game. You fail to evaluate players objectively and you agree with everything the powers that be say.

That's exactly the opp of critically thinking.

You recently stated that you look white and agree with everything the powers say, so with all due respect, you're not a credible source of the minority experience.

Dan Cameron actually looks black but his actions don't show that he's in solidarity with them.
You probably should just stay away from the minority experience.

It's funny that you're ok with unqualified players being handed playing time bc you tool for the fed and don't know how to eval the game, but think you've worked for everything you have lol.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #251
Wednesday March 31, 2021 4:41am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,520
Where are we going with the thread guys?

Seriously.

this all is building to June. Cohesive moments in the friendlies are good to see. The performances were mostly good still considering Covid and all the restrictions.

Just hope we can get close to the full squad in good form. The Nations League is important. Gold Cup less So. September is the real test but doing well in the two tournaments is obviously important.

The gripes with Berhalter i feel have been misguided. Covid has thrown this year completely on its head. 2020 was the time to find some more cohesion and he only got 2 friendlies in November. He will be tested in the summer and acting like he's doing something to permanently somehow sabotage the team is hilarious.

He sees all these guys in Champions League and league games and big derbies. Hes watching and recruiting. If he fails with this group of guys in CONCACAF it won't be long for him and he'll be a pariah.

blaise213
Post #252
Wednesday March 31, 2021 8:09am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,404
@EKeezy

Shit I got a gripe with Berhalter calling Lletget over Konrad .... just saw the highlight reel of Konrads last game (Barca B) on Reddit. His ball skills are ridiculous and he scored too.

hamsamwich
Post #253
Wednesday March 31, 2021 2:07pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,736
@blaise- give it up with Konrad for awhile jeez! Are you saying you'd play him in CM where Lletget was? Or are you really saying you would call him up over Gioacchini??? - who played on that right wing backup to Gio... I don't see him beating out Pulisic or Aaronson so konrad is fighting for that 4th winger spot (he's not better at soccer than Weah, tekkers sure but that's not a team game I'd take Weah 10/10 times over konrad right now unless konrad gets a loan) with the other fringe guys.

I never wanted Gregg but these critiques are unrealistic. Lletget isn't a winger so he isn't in a battle with Konrad it's pretty much that simple.

I'll also go over the Tim Ream thing again. Brooks is the LCB. When we don't play Brooks (in friendly games) the backup should be of a similar mold so the team functions as if Brooks is still there. Miazga is not the same. Richards, while having far more potential is still learning the system and we want him to partner Brooks not be a Brooks replacement, so he (while being the best candidate to be a starting LCB if Brooks isn't there) should be playing his games for USA on the RCB spot. Finally, it was a nice carry and pass into Reyna by the D in that first goal sequence- the type of play Brooks would make. It was easier to assign blame to Acosta because ream was consistent, same thing with Miazga.

Know Nothing
Post #254
Wednesday March 31, 2021 4:10pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,934
If I were Konrad and craved to start for the USMNT I would take up Left Back. Who knows, could carve his path into the first team faster?

Lilshmike
Post #255
Wednesday March 31, 2021 4:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,626
Original post from hamsamwich

@blaise- give it up with Konrad for awhile jeez! Are you saying you'd play him in CM where Lletget was? Or are you really saying you would call him up over Gioacchini??? - who played on that right wing backup to Gio... I don't see him beating out Pulisic or Aaronson so konrad is fighting for that 4th winger spot (he's not better at soccer than Weah, tekkers sure but that's not a team game I'd take Weah 10/10 times over konrad right now unless konrad gets a loan) with the other fringe guys.

I never wanted Gregg but these critiques are unrealistic. Lletget isn't a winger so he isn't in a battle with Konrad it's pretty much that simple.

I'll also go over the Tim Ream thing again. Brooks is the LCB. When we don't play Brooks (in friendly games) the backup should be of a similar mold so the team functions as if Brooks is still there. Miazga is not the same. Richards, while having far more potential is still learning the system and we want him to partner Brooks not be a Brooks replacement, so he (while being the best candidate to be a starting LCB if Brooks isn't there) should be playing his games for USA on the RCB spot. Finally, it was a nice carry and pass into Reyna by the D in that first goal sequence- the type of play Brooks would make. It was easier to assign blame to Acosta because ream was consistent, same thing with Miazga.
There we go, glad to see someone is connecting the dots here.

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