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horeakaii2
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Post #16
Wednesday January 6, 2021 5:30pm

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How are you all able to manage stuff like this?

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db707
Post #17
Wednesday January 6, 2021 6:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from hamsamwich

So we did get one guy from Europe: Bryang Kayo. This dude is a technical bully. Smart.

***Lletegt is not the problem. Or the solution. But he fits in.

### Mueller has that swagger the team needs. Hopefully he shows well and keeps it up, I like his edge. A lot of the team are nice guys, I like that Mueller (on the field) is a bit of a prick. He speaks excellent Spanish too. °Dale!


Agree with your takes on Lletget and Mueller. Lletget's not someone we're going to build the team around but he can play a support role.

hamsamwich
Post #18
Wednesday January 6, 2021 11:03pm

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@db707- it's somewhat of a "hot take" to say the MLS guys have a role to play still. The maturity and consistency from some of the young bucks isn't quite there yet for a full 23 man roster.

Dave
Post #19
Thursday January 7, 2021 3:08am

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Original post from hamsamwich

@db707- it's somewhat of a "hot take" to say the MLS guys have a role to play still. The maturity and consistency from some of the young bucks isn't quite there yet for a full 23 man roster.


Not sure, the maturity & consistency displayed by the European young guns has been pretty good. The core of the A-Team have proven themselves fairly well (Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Reyan, Dest). If Musah commits that'll be another accomplished player in the mix. We also have Brooks as a veteran presence among the Core group.
The European role players aren't bad either...Steffen, Horvath, A. Robinson, Cannon, Yedlin, Miazga, Richards, CCV, EPB, Weah, & Sargent have talent and are showing improvement in their consistency.
That's 17 players of sufficient quality to get us qualified and possibly beyond.
The last 1/2 Dozen roster spots is a toss-up between fringe Euro guys and MLS guys.
Any of the following: Morris, Uli, Konrad, Mueller, Holmes, S. Johnson, Turner, Gioacchini, Soto, Dike, Zardes, Pomykal, Long, Zimmerman, McKennie, Aaronson, Green, Otasowie, Cardoso, Yueill, etc.... could find themselves filling those last couple spots. Personally unless it's an actual tournament or Mexico I'd probably lean more towards a young talent that has more "Up-Side" than one of the "Older" guys who have basically maxed out.

hamsamwich
Post #20
Thursday January 7, 2021 6:48am

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Musah is a great player but he along with the rest have something to prove. That goes for everyone for the most part. 17 players sure but you can't play all of them at once. You named Dest, Cannon, Yedlin, miazga, Richards, EPB, CCV that 7 guys but (generously) only 4 spots to play them. There are a few holes no doubt and that also assumes full health. And yes I'm talking about an actual tournament or qualifying.

db707
Post #21
Thursday January 7, 2021 1:24pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

Musah is a great player but he along with the rest have something to prove. That goes for everyone for the most part. 17 players sure but you can't play all of them at once. You named Dest, Cannon, Yedlin, miazga, Richards, EPB, CCV that 7 guys but (generously) only 4 spots to play them. There are a few holes no doubt and that also assumes full health. And yes I'm talking about an actual tournament or qualifying.


Yedlin's plateaued as a player, Miazga and CCV are bouncing around on loans and haven't turned into the top players we thought they could (at least not yet), Cannon's new to Europe and still developing and EPB's in Austria still working his way up. None of those guys are by any means locks for our first team squad now or in the future. It's weird to me to mention them alongside someone like Dest, a starter for Barcelona, or Richards, getting playing time with the European champions.

hamsamwich
Post #22
Thursday January 7, 2021 1:53pm

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There's tiers to this shit. I agree @db707.

As for this Serbia game- the MLS players need to show they are fine tuning and running the system well. Many of these guys will be counted on in important games of some type for the USA, as the "cream" can't play every game.

Dave
Post #23
Sunday January 10, 2021 8:00pm

Joined Jul 2014
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@ hamsamwith - I don't think you'll hear many argue against the statement that the "cream can't play every game"....there are going to be injuries and other considerations that will impact players being available.
Where I disagree with you is with your statement "many of these guys will be counted on in important games". When everyone is healthy/available I only see 3-5 MLS players making a 23 man roster. That means that most of the "Back-Ups" are already in Europe. These back-ups are who'll be "relied on" when the Cream isn't available. That places the bulk of MLS players as the 3rd stringers or deeper and I wouldn't say that they'll be "Counted On in important games".
Most of our best young talent are already in European youth teams/setups or are already earmarked/scouted by European teams for purchase as soon as they are able to sign for a European team. The days of the 25-30 yr old MLS player being an important part of the USMNT is coming to an end. There may be a couple (three) per camp that make the 23 man roster, but the days of having 1/2 the squad playing in MLS is over until MLS can compete quality wise with the Dutch or French Leagues.

hamsamwich
Post #24
Monday January 11, 2021 3:39pm

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Yea those 3-5 players will be important that's my point. Most will get filtered out but talent is one thing, mentality and accountability are another. Gloster showed he was more talented at a younger age than say Sam vines, but here we are and Gloster is ready to come back to MLS and Vines is surpassing him. 2 years is a long time still.

bjelks
Post #25
Monday January 11, 2021 8:12pm

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Eh I dunno if Vines is passing him, it Gloster is getting games in mls, wouldnt that make them on the same level?
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hamsamwich
Post #26
Monday January 11, 2021 8:52pm

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Players rise and fall that's my point. Two years from now on the eve of the World Cup the roster and pool will look different than what we expect. That's all. And a guy who was highly thought of that's isn't anymore vs a guy on the come up- rate it how you like.

Dave
Post #27
Tuesday January 12, 2021 4:48am

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@hamsamwich - I agree with what you said about players rising and falling and that 2 years is still a decent ways out, so it's important to keep evaluating talent/players. My referenced 3-5 players coming from MLS in an earlier post pertaining to the "Cream of the Crop", didn't attribute where in the depth pool those players were.
Based on Gregg's past rosters/line-ups its probably fair to say right now that Morris and at least 1 starting CB are likely to be part of the starting XI. Goalkeeper is another position where we're likely to see at least 1, possibly 2 selected from MLS.
I guess where I'm struggling is that we've been shipping goals regularly against fairly weak competition over the past 2 years (Panama-78th, Canada-72nd, Jamaica-47th).
And yet Gregg routinely calls up and uses the same groups of CB players (Long, Ream, Miazga, Zimmerman). I'm not saying it's directly tied to these players, but since we've yet to really test any other CB's (EPB, CCV, Richards) it is disconcerting.
I'll grant you that he's done a decent job trying out players on the attacking side, but was it his decision/choice to test these players, or was it a byproduct of Covid forcing his hand? When international football returns to a more normal state, will Gregg go back to his guys (Roldan, Yueill, Arriola, Lletget, etc...) or will he truly give camp callups to those players who've earned it regardless of age/league (Green, Cardoso, Weah, etc...).
In my mind the jury's still out on what Gregg will do.

hamsamwich
Post #28
Tuesday January 12, 2021 6:32am

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100%.

He hasn't got punched in the mouth yet to quote Tyson. I'm hoping the next Mexico game is better than the previous couple.

blaise213
Post #29
Wednesday January 13, 2021 4:09am

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So when is this game ?

I don't see any info about it

Dave
Post #30
Wednesday January 13, 2021 5:11am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from blaise213

So when is this game ?

I don't see any info about it

Game hasn't formally been announced. Serbia news/federation said the game was being targeted for the end of January...so maybe 27-31st. I'd guess they would want to avoid directly competing with a US major sport or a big Euro game/competition.

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