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Samtom23
Post #121
Sunday November 29, 2020 2:09pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
Original post from BG6

Not sure if you thought this through. You do realize for many Northern cities, traveling for a midweek game to a place like Buenos Aires is hardly any more logistically do-able than a trip to Europe; flight time alone (not travel time) for many teams would be >>12 hours (albeit dont have to contend with as large a time zone difference). In fact teams would spend less time flying to many European cities.


If the seasons were aligned no reason to have mid-week, just at the end of the season. And then you could have it regional similar to March Madness.

stoked-3
Post #122
Monday November 30, 2020 12:41am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Hearing that the MLS call ups are going to be young guys and or guys who have not been called up alot--hoping I can get tickets to the game

Samtom23
Post #123
Monday November 30, 2020 3:39am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
Original post from stoked-3

Hearing that the MLS call ups are going to be young guys and or guys who have not been called up alot-hoping I can get tickets to the game


It is exciting to know. I am hoping it is a bigger camp roster having more players get a look.

Lilshmike
Post #124
Monday November 30, 2020 5:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from Lilshmike

As I stated in the November Friendly thread...

Because of the fixture congestion thats coming up upon us...
  • U20 World Cup
  • Olympic Qualifying
  • Olympics
  • Nations League
  • World Cup Qualifiers
  • Gold Cup
...all of these coming after an already congested club schedule due to covid, with many of these competitions conflicting with club seasons, and clubs having the ability to withhold players from participating in certain instances, and the potential injury status of players...

Berhalter is legitimately attempting to build out depth. Hes not looking for a first team per se. Hes looking to build out about 2-3 teams of players that hes going to utilize this summer.

Too many people are getting their heads wrapped up in a "potential 23 man group for the world cup" to think about what is actually taking place and the decisions that need to be made...

Its impossible for him to be able to use the same team for all of these competitions. He has to find a way to identify the guys who - although maybe not WC 23 roster quality - will be competent enough and good enough to grind though the next 8 months and "get the job done".

What he has stated, and what we know thus far:
  • There is an emphasis on the Olympics
  • The Olympic qualifying roster will be almost entirely MLS based
  • Gold cup will be an understrength squad
  • Berhalter wants to get enough guys and spread out the talent for each competition so that we are strong enough to compete and win
  • Olympic qualifying takes place in late March/early April
  • U20 World Cup takes place late May/early June
  • Nations League and WCQ both take place in June
  • Gold Cup takes place in July
  • Olympics take place in late July/early August
Looking at this, we can pretty easily conclude that there will realistically be 3 groups of guys - Olympic qualifying guys, U20 WC guys, and Nations League/WCQ guys. The reason that there are no Olympic or Gold Cup guys will be laid out here in a minute...

The majority of the Olympic Qualifying guys likely won't be taking part in the Olympics, as most of our best players to begin with are under 23 and based in Europe, and the guys we will need to use for Olympic Qualifying are realistically going to be MLS/Liga MX based.

We should expect Olympic qualifying to be U23 MLS players.

With the U20 World Cup, we're likely going field a good mix of European based youth players and U20 MLS kids. Seeing as this will be the end of the European club season, and the middle of MLS, we shouldn't expect any U20 players who are senior starters or getting consistent minutes to go (like Aaronsen, Soto, and Reyna).

We should expect the best U20 kids who ARE NOT consistent senior players for their clubs (like Konrad, Ledezma, and Gloster).

With the Nations League and World Cup Qualifying taking place in the same month, we should expect 1 team to be playing in all games. We are guaranteed 4 games during this window in close turn around, so any more than a couple potential roster changes is unrealistic. Additionally, since Nations League is a tournament/trophy that we can win, and WCQ is realistically our #1 priority, we are going to put out a full strength squad. This will not be a time to experiment, so there realistically will be no new faces, and we should expect older MLS guys like Long/Zimmerman, Morris, and possibly Zardes.

We should expect the roster for Nations League and WCQ in June to be our best roster of players (or what GGG considers the best), with a heavy core of guys from the most recent camp in November sprinkled in with a few older MLS players.


Now, what sticks out is that Olympics and Gold Cup are an "either or" scenario. Players will not be able to take part in both... so to create both of these rosters, Berhalter is going to have to rely on the guys called in from the 3 previous groups (Olympic Qualifying, U20 World Cup, and Nations League/WCQ). Seeing as Olympics are more of a priority than Gold Cup, I would assume an "older and MLS heavy" roster for GC with a "younger and European heavy" Olympic roster.

For the Olympics, we should expect that the U23 players from the Nations League/WCQ roster will be selected, with a few guys from the Olympic Qualifying group and some of the U20 WC standouts. This excludes any consideration for the 3 overage Olympic players and assumes we qualify.

For the Gold Cup, we should expect a couple of older guys from the Nations League/WCQ roster, with Olympic Qualifying players who weren't selected to go to the Olympics, and a few older MLS guys and potentially a couple above U23 players from Scandinavian/European leagues who weren't selected to any of the previous rosters.

As I keep saying... there is a lot more going on than what people realize and there are a lot of considerations to be made. The reality is that Berhalter is trying to build depth. He needs to build depth. He cannot keep using the same 23 roster of players, he needs to find a proper way to rotate them out and move them around to keep the USMNT competitive in each tournament without overloading the players the summer before the 2022 WC (risking burnout and injury). And as unpopular as that is, and as much as many people are going to hate it, this is going to require a large reliance on MLS... Why? Because thats where the lions share of USMNT eligible players play.

December is going to take place, and its going to be very MLS heavy. There may be a couple European guys (like Johannsson), but he is going to be looking at a lot of younger MLS players who are on teams that are not competing in the MLS cup, and are not competing in the Concacaf Champions League.

Then, when January hits, he will call in the guys who he wasn't able to call in for the December games, and bring back a number of guys he called in December... almost all MLS based players.

A number of the guys called into these two camps are going to be the Olympic Qualifying and Gold Cup players. Berhalter, by this point, has a strong idea as to who is going to get into that Nations League/WCQ roster. These camps are to build out the depth and move the pieces for the other competitions on the horizon...

None of this should come as a surprise, and all of this is very easy to recognize when you do a bit of critical thinking and connect the dots.

This isn't targeted at you hamsamwich, but too many people on this board don't think and only freak out at the names. They get uptight when they genuinely don't know what they're talking about...
I'll repost this.

@stoked

Since you don't bother to read my posts, I'll just leave his here.

"December is going to take place, and its going to be very MLS heavy. There may be a couple European guys (like Johannsson), but he is going to be looking at a lot of younger MLS players who are on teams that are not competing in the MLS cup, and are not competing in the Concacaf Champions League.

Then, when January hits, he will call in the guys who he wasn't able to call in for the December games, and bring back a number of guys he called in December... almost all MLS based players.

A number of the guys called into these two camps are going to be the Olympic Qualifying and Gold Cup players. Berhalter, by this point, has a strong idea as to who is going to get into that Nations League/WCQ roster. These camps are to build out the depth and move the pieces for the other competitions on the horizon..."

Pointed this all out a couple weeks ago. This isn't new news.

stoked-3
Post #125
Monday November 30, 2020 5:42pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Original post from Lilshmike

I'll repost this.

@stoked

Since you don't bother to read my posts, I'll just leave his here.

"December is going to take place, and its going to be very MLS heavy. There may be a couple European guys (like Johannsson), but he is going to be looking at a lot of younger MLS players who are on teams that are not competing in the MLS cup, and are not competing in the Concacaf Champions League.

Then, when January hits, he will call in the guys who he wasn't able to call in for the December games, and bring back a number of guys he called in December... almost all MLS based players.

A number of the guys called into these two camps are going to be the Olympic Qualifying and Gold Cup players. Berhalter, by this point, has a strong idea as to who is going to get into that Nations League/WCQ roster. These camps are to build out the depth and move the pieces for the other competitions on the horizon..."

Pointed this all out a couple weeks ago. This isn't new news.


@Lilgreg

I can post whatever I want, when I want, -I posted on a forum for the good of everyone-

-we have a coach the make decisions most in the soccer world do not understand-so when we makes small announcements about his thinking a day before releasing the roster Ill post it-if you dont like it thats great.

It would do you good to get off of your soapbox and to not be so pompous, its annoying, sad, and laughable that you take yourself so serious

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #126
Monday November 30, 2020 7:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
Original post from Lilshmike

I'll repost this.

@stoked

Since you don't bother to read my posts, I'll just leave his here.

"December is going to take place, and its going to be very MLS heavy. There may be a couple European guys (like Johannsson), but he is going to be looking at a lot of younger MLS players who are on teams that are not competing in the MLS cup, and are not competing in the Concacaf Champions League.

Then, when January hits, he will call in the guys who he wasn't able to call in for the December games, and bring back a number of guys he called in December... almost all MLS based players.

A number of the guys called into these two camps are going to be the Olympic Qualifying and Gold Cup players. Berhalter, by this point, has a strong idea as to who is going to get into that Nations League/WCQ roster. These camps are to build out the depth and move the pieces for the other competitions on the horizon..."

Pointed this all out a couple weeks ago. This isn't new news.


So I know it's difficult to convey your true emotions or meaning with the medium were using to communicate but you sometimes come across as very condescending. I think were all guilty of it at times. I myself have been guilty of this. I have been trying to be more constructive in my post towards others and less critical. There are not a tremendous amount of posters left on this forum and many opinions, lets treat each other with respect. You usually put a lot of time and thought into your post and I enjoy reading them even if I don't always agree with everything you post. I hope this comes across the way I intended it.

Lilshmike
Post #127
Monday November 30, 2020 7:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
@stoked

I'm making it a point to single out your post, as you've done to me, and be a bit of a prick, as you've made it a point to tell me how much you dislike me and that your issue with my posts are almost entirely due to who is posting instead of what is posted.

I'm not taking any of this serious, I'm actually laughing at it.

But... I'm pretty sure that you were the one in the November friendly thread to call me out multiple times, lob names, try to get me caught in gotcha statements, and get on a soapbox when I supposedly didn't reply to your points... then when I did and made points of my own, you went silent and claimed you had better things to do and didn't bother to read my points... convenient. If you can dish it, stoked, you should be able to take it.

You can post whatever you want. As can I, bud. I'm not going to make up some pet name for you though, as you've done with me... but I'll give you the same attitude you've shown me.

But bookmark that post... I'll bring it back up when the rosters come out in the coming months and tell you told you so. And if I'm wrong, well then you can do the same to me.

Lilshmike
Post #128
Monday November 30, 2020 7:26pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from Kamphgruppe

So I know it's difficult to convey your true emotions or meaning with the medium were using to communicate but you sometimes come across as very condescending. I think were all guilty of it at times. I myself have been guilty of this. I have been trying to be more constructive in my post towards others and less critical. There are not a tremendous amount of posters left on this forum and many opinions, lets treat each other with respect. You usually put a lot of time and thought into your post and I enjoy reading them even if I don't always agree with everything you post. I hope this comes across the way I intended it.
Naw, you're good.

I was intentionally trying to get under stoked's skin with that. He can dish it out to me without problem, but when I dish it back he has an issue with it, claims he doesn't bother to read my posts, or calls me pet names. Which, he's well within his right to do if he wants.

...but don't be a punk. If hes gonna dish it, expect it to come back around. And dont try to take some high road when you yourself do the same thing you're bitching about someone else doing. (Stoked of course).

stoked-3
Post #129
Monday November 30, 2020 7:51pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Original post from Lilshmike

@stoked

I'm making it a point to single out your post, as you've done to me, and be a bit of a prick, as you've made it a point to tell me how much you dislike me and that your issue with my posts are almost entirely due to who is posting instead of what is posted.

I'm not taking any of this serious, I'm actually laughing at it.

But... I'm pretty sure that you were the one in the November friendly thread to call me out multiple times, lob names, try to get me caught in gotcha statements, and get on a soapbox when I supposedly didn't reply to your points... then when I did and made points of my own, you went silent and claimed you had better things to do and didn't bother to read my points... convenient. If you can dish it, stoked, you should be able to take it.

You can post whatever you want. As can I, bud. I'm not going to make up some pet name for you though, as you've done with me... but I'll give you the same attitude you've shown me.

But bookmark that post... I'll bring it back up when the rosters come out in the coming months and tell you told you so. And if I'm wrong, well then you can do the same to me.


Ill stand by my statement you take yourself way to serious. I posted I was excited to watch a game and posted what GB has said-that caused you to find your old post, post it, then tell all of us you posted it, and that you broke the news.
You are now saying you will find your old post and post it if GB roster is what you think it will be-

You seem to get caught up in saying: you just dont like the messenger, your calling me out, your trying to score point, or gotcha statements-you have said it to many of people on the site.- you seem a bit insecure for someone who knows it all.

Lilshmike
Post #130
Monday November 30, 2020 8:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from stoked-3

Ill stand by my statement you take yourself way to serious. I posted I was excited to watch a game and posted what GB has said-that caused you to find your old post, post it, then tell all of us you posted it, and that you broke the news.
You are now saying you will find your old post and post it if GB roster is what you think it will be-

You seem to get caught up in saying: you just dont like the messenger, your calling me out, your trying to score point, or gotcha statements-you have said it to many of people on the site.- you seem a bit insecure for someone who knows it all.
I'm giving you ammunition.

If the rosters look like what I said they will, months and months in advance, then I'm gonna remind you. Just like the know it all I am.

But if I'm wrong, then you have all the ammunition you'll need to shove it back in my face.

BG6
Post #131
Monday November 30, 2020 10:00pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 97
reading the exchanges here has me convinced that I must be an old man and most must be quite young by the way you respond and interact with one another

stoked-3
Post #132
Monday November 30, 2020 11:13pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Why Paul A gets called up is beyond me-the roster otherwise is meh. Would have been good to see Cole Basset and Robinson-I assume some will be happy to see Akinola

glad to see Acosta get a call dude got a raw deal going overseas hope he can regain form and maybe get a move-

blaise213
Post #133
Tuesday December 1, 2020 1:35am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
The minor league roster just dropped !

Akinola and Dike are the only two of interest...

Already said, If I see 4 long balls hucked of the field, I'm changing the game.

cudevil
Post #134
Tuesday December 1, 2020 1:47am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,206
Original post from blaise213

The minor league roster just dropped !

Akinola and Dike are the only two of interest...

Already said, If I see 4 long balls hucked of the field, I'm changing the game.


McKenzie, Aaronsen, Bassett, and Alvarez are all legit prospects.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #135
Tuesday December 1, 2020 5:21am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
I am personally excited that Muller got a call. I like the kid a lot.

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