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Post #76
Monday November 23, 2020 2:57am

Joined Mar 2020
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Green and Arjo scored this weekend.

Samtom23
Post #77
Monday November 23, 2020 5:15am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
This weekend saw a 16 year old debut for Dortmund. Wonder if yet another kid performs well, how that affects potential call-ups? We already have Reyna and possibly Musah. Any other young players that might be considered that are not currently being discussed? If so, who are they?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #78
Monday November 23, 2020 5:24am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
Original post from blaise213

The problem with MLS is the defense sucks! The goals a lot of these guys score wouldn't happen in hire quality leagues.. Look at Zlatan, dude is scoring goals at AC Milan but not scoring the number of goals he was in MLS.

The last goal Morris scored was a joke of defending, just like all of Wondo's goals.


Thought I would publish this so you know I can back up what I say with stats. Here are the number for Ibrahimovic after he scored yet another brace today for Milan

MLS Appearances - 56 Goals - 52
Milan Appearances - 25 Goals - 22 (These are not total stats for Milan just since he returned there from MLS)

As you can clearly see, about the same scoring rate. According to Bjelks MLS is 2 tiers down from series A, so perhaps Series A defenses suck too. I meant to post this awhile ago but since I am front line staff for Covid I have been out of my head at work. To exhausted most of the time to bother.

blaise213
Post #79
Monday November 23, 2020 6:17am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Thought I would publish this so you know I can back up what I say with stats. Here are the number for Ibrahimovic after he scored yet another brace today for Milan

MLS Appearances - 56 Goals - 52
Milan Appearances - 25 Goals - 22 (These are not total stats for Milan just since he returned there from MLS)

As you can clearly see, about the same scoring rate. According to Bjelks MLS is 2 tiers down from series A, so perhaps Series A defenses suck too. I meant to post this awhile ago but since I am front line staff for Covid I have been out of my head at work. To exhausted most of the time to bother.


LOL bro I had the Minnesota game on earlier at I saw the worst turn over leading to a 3 vs 1 and the dude hit the post. I then turned the channel

blaise213
Post #80
Monday November 23, 2020 6:20am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from Samtom23

This weekend saw a 16 year old debut for Dortmund. Wonder if yet another kid performs well, how that affects potential call-ups? We already have Reyna and possibly Musah. Any other young players that might be considered that are not currently being discussed? If so, who are they?


American kid ?

I posted 5 eligible dual national Euro players on another thread. I'll have to pull that back up. As I said also, there's a kid playing first team in Liga MX that was on Mex U20 that wants to switch to the US and some kid playing in Chile I think too

hamsamwich
Post #81
Monday November 23, 2020 1:50pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,637
No that kid is German. @blaise- you're talking about El Paso born Santiago Munoz....

@samtom- as the MLS teams get eliminated one by one the team is starting to take shape. I'd be on the lookout for Caden Clark, Tanner Tessmann, and George Bello....

My current XI with the guys from the eliminated teams penciled in-

Mihailovic - Ebobisse - Lletget
- Clark - Bassett -
- Yueill -
Vines - Pineda - Long - Duncan
- Johnson -

Bench: Bello, F. Amaya, M. Robinson

### this list will change as the better players get eliminated.

bjelks
Post #82
Monday November 23, 2020 2:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,995
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Thought I would publish this so you know I can back up what I say with stats. Here are the number for Ibrahimovic after he scored yet another brace today for Milan

MLS Appearances - 56 Goals - 52
Milan Appearances - 25 Goals - 22 (These are not total stats for Milan just since he returned there from MLS)

As you can clearly see, about the same scoring rate. According to Bjelks MLS is 2 tiers down from series A, so perhaps Series A defenses suck too. I meant to post this awhile ago but since I am front line staff for Covid I have been out of my head at work. To exhausted most of the time to bother.


The tiers comment is based on average value of teams which is a reflection of the level of players

Ibra is a player that was playing for top 10 teams in the world consistently for almost 15 yrs before he joined mls, he's also won every major award there is in football and has finished 3rd in the Ballon d'or.

You can also compare Vela in Spain to MLS and Martinez in Italy to MLS or even Almiron from MLS to England and the goal scoring records are nowhere close.

This is a ridiculous argument where you're using one of the greatest ever in the world as an exception to a rule that mls players can score just as easy in better leagues lol that holds no weight to the international community.

Like I said if you want to see how good the mls level is, petition for them to play South American teams in competitive games.

Otherwise look at our last qualifying cycle where we failed with mls players to qualify in the weakest division in the world because of over reliance on mls players
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #83
Monday November 23, 2020 11:46pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,894
I would say that defenses in MLS have gotten better over time, but in defense (no pun intended) of bjelks argument, I offer the international careers of Jason Kreis and Roy Lassiter as exhibits that show there is a definite difference between domestic and intl level.

Both Kreis and Lassiter were prolific in MLS, but for whatever reason were not as prolific on the international scene. Lassiter (34 caps, 4 goals) and Kreis (14 caps 1 goal) both played for the US in the 90's.

Samtom23
Post #84
Tuesday November 24, 2020 2:39am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
Original post from bjelks

The tiers comment is based on average value of teams which is a reflection of the level of players

Ibra is a player that was playing for top 10 teams in the world consistently for almost 15 yrs before he joined mls, he's also won every major award there is in football and has finished 3rd in the Ballon d'or.

You can also compare Vela in Spain to MLS and Martinez in Italy to MLS or even Almiron from MLS to England and the goal scoring records are nowhere close.

This is a ridiculous argument where you're using one of the greatest ever in the world as an exception to a rule that mls players can score just as easy in better leagues lol that holds no weight to the international community.

Like I said if you want to see how good the mls level is, petition for them to play South American teams in competitive games.

Otherwise look at our last qualifying cycle where we failed with mls players to qualify in the weakest division in the world because of over reliance on mls players


Liga Mx and MLS are considering merging. How will that affect valuation and perception of these two leagues, if they do indeed merge?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #85
Tuesday November 24, 2020 3:15am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
Original post from blaise213

LOL bro I had the Minnesota game on earlier at I saw the worst turn over leading to a 3 vs 1 and the dude hit the post. I then turned the channel


Yeah, and I see the same bad turnovers when I watch the EPL, Bundisliga etc. Players make mistakes and bad passes in every league, especially when they get tired. You are simply a Euro snob.

I like how you mention one instance that you watched on TV and not one word about how what I posted was the truth backed up by the numbers to prove it. Just ignore that and go on about that one bad pass in the Minnesota game.

Here is your direct quote again if you want to see it. "Look at Zlatan, dude is scoring goals at AC Milan but not scoring the number of goals he was in MLS.". Wrong as I said.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #86
Tuesday November 24, 2020 3:17am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
Original post from Know Nothing

I would say that defenses in MLS have gotten better over time, but in defense (no pun intended) of bjelks argument, I offer the international careers of Jason Kreis and Roy Lassiter as exhibits that show there is a definite difference between domestic and intl level.

Both Kreis and Lassiter were prolific in MLS, but for whatever reason were not as prolific on the international scene. Lassiter (34 caps, 4 goals) and Kreis (14 caps 1 goal) both played for the US in the 90's.


MLS 15 years ago has no bearing on MLS now, come on man.

oldguy
Post #87
Tuesday November 24, 2020 3:26am

Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts: 20
It is o-k to favor yanks playing in Europe or Mexico or anywhere out of the USA on this board. It is called Yanks Abroad not Yanks in the MLS. I can watch MLS here at home. I cannot watch out of country players and like the information provided by posters here. I expect some bias and that's fine. You do not go to an Auburn site and expect posters to write about how well Alabama is doing.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #88
Tuesday November 24, 2020 3:28am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,200
Original post from bjelks

The tiers comment is based on average value of teams which is a reflection of the level of players

Ibra is a player that was playing for top 10 teams in the world consistently for almost 15 yrs before he joined mls, he's also won every major award there is in football and has finished 3rd in the Ballon d'or.

You can also compare Vela in Spain to MLS and Martinez in Italy to MLS or even Almiron from MLS to England and the goal scoring records are nowhere close.

This is a ridiculous argument where you're using one of the greatest ever in the world as an exception to a rule that mls players can score just as easy in better leagues lol that holds no weight to the international community.

Like I said if you want to see how good the mls level is, petition for them to play South American teams in competitive games.

Otherwise look at our last qualifying cycle where we failed with mls players to qualify in the weakest division in the world because of over reliance on mls players


You make a fair argument here bjelks but he is the one who mentioned Zlatan and I simply showed him the numbers. I would not have used him as an example otherwise.
Another thing to consider is the level of the team the player is on. Almiron was on one of the best MLS teams and moved to a team in the relegation zone in EPL, your surrounding cast does have impact on your goal scoring etc. So was it just right team and right situation or do MLS defenses really suck that bad. I am sure it is somewhere in the middle. I would liove to see the numbers compared to other similar level leagues to see if there really is a significant amount of extra goals scored in MLS.

blaise213
Post #89
Tuesday November 24, 2020 4:37am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Yeah, and I see the same bad turnovers when I watch the EPL, Bundisliga etc. Players make mistakes and bad passes in every league, especially when they get tired. You are simply a Euro snob.


Lol I don't even watch Euro soccer but I have been to the Goodison Park for a match.
Pretty much just watch USMNT games now.... don't have the time really. MLS got worse IMO, so hard to watch now.

Know Nothing
Post #90
Tuesday November 24, 2020 4:43am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,894
Original post from Kamphgruppe

MLS 15 years ago has no bearing on MLS now, come on man.


Why? Do you think that as MLS has improved and become more sophisticated the rest of the world has remained stagnant?

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