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Post #166
Thursday December 3, 2020 4:27pm

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Original post from cudevil

I will take talent over experience almost every time. Experience is hugely overrated, particularly at a position like outside mid.

It's clear that Arriola will, unfortunately, be a part of the set up. It doesn't make it a correct decision and it's not really defensible. He isn't good.

And aside from all that-we do know exactly what we would get from Arriola. Call in other guys that have a chance of being better than him (this is particularly true given that he is just coming off a significant injury).


As you say, you know what you are going to get from Arriola and coaches like that. He never hangs his head or gets discouraged and he will give you 100% every time he puts on the jersey.

He will not give you a moment of brilliance and you hope he will not squander chances for the team, but you know he will be there.

db707
Post #167
Thursday December 3, 2020 4:38pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Arriola to me is like a slightly better finishing Bedoya, and Bedoya was probably the worst finisher ever in a U.S. MNT jersey. I do hope we can move beyond Arriola's level, even with our bench guys.

blaise213
Post #168
Thursday December 3, 2020 6:46pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Arriola is a Brek Shea 2.0

Runs up the side of the field and just crosses the ball without ever looking up.

cudevil
Post #169
Thursday December 3, 2020 7:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,206
Original post from db707

Arriola to me is like a slightly better finishing Bedoya, and Bedoya was probably the worst finisher ever in a U.S. MNT jersey. I do hope we can move beyond Arriola's level, even with our bench guys.


Bedoya was way more skilled than Arriola, finishing notwithstanding. Arriola can't cross the ball, which is way more important from the wing than finishing.

Lilshmike
Post #170
Thursday December 3, 2020 7:57pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from cudevil

Bedoya was way more skilled than Arriola, finishing notwithstanding. Arriola can't cross the ball, which is way more important from the wing than finishing.
That is of course unless you are playing on the side opposite of your strong foot so you can cut in a shoot...

Berhalter has played Paul at LW... so he can run down balls, cut in, and shoot. Hes not as bad as you and others are claiming. I'm not saying hes our best or some world beater... but give the guy some credit. He wouldn't have made it as long as he has as a professional - in both Liga MX and MLS - if he was complete crap.

Paul Arriola at LW.

Blaise, you wanna take that bet like my call on Tim Ream wearing the captains armband in the last set of friendlies?

Lilshmike
Post #171
Thursday December 3, 2020 8:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Also, what is really funny is how even so much as bringing up Arriola potentially getting called in for WCQ... something that is WILDLY realistic given the amount of games we're going to need to play, the injury problems of others in that position in our pool, the lack of first team professional experience of the other "prospects" (and yes, guys like Konrad and Ledezma are still youth prospects)...

...causes such controversy on this site and gets a page full of posts about how much people hate Arriola.

Y'all need to look past calling in random guys who have "upsaide" and grasp that there is a time to experiment and a time to get a result.

WCQ/competitive game = get a result.
Friendly = time to experiment.

This is a friendly with lots of fresh names/young prospects, and with the number of dual nationals GGG has called in and gotten into the program thus far... omg he has been killing it. Seriously... he has. And you guys would recognize that and give him credit if you were objectively looking at the rosters and what he has done.

But no... instead of looking at the positives that our program has experienced, and the new guys we have to look forward to seeing... the inclusion of Paul Arriola and Lletget spoils it all.

Seriously guys... come on now...

blaise213
Post #172
Thursday December 3, 2020 9:45pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from Lilshmike

This is a friendly with lots of fresh names/young prospects, and with the number of dual nationals GGG has called in and gotten into the program thus far... omg he has been killing it. Seriously... he has. And you guys would recognize that and give him credit if you were objectively looking at the rosters and what he has done.



If we had a well known international coach, we'd be getting more dual national players involved at a higher rate and less of the MLS basic b****es !! What I don't like about US Soccer is there is never any transparency. Why do they always get soft ball Joe Biden questions ???? For example, Was Balogun contacted for the November friendlies ?????

cudevil
Post #173
Thursday December 3, 2020 10:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,206
Original post from Lilshmike

Also, what is really funny is how even so much as bringing up Arriola potentially getting called in for WCQ... something that is WILDLY realistic given the amount of games we're going to need to play, the injury problems of others in that position in our pool, the lack of first team professional experience of the other "prospects" (and yes, guys like Konrad and Ledezma are still youth prospects)...

...causes such controversy on this site and gets a page full of posts about how much people hate Arriola.

Y'all need to look past calling in random guys who have "upsaide" and grasp that there is a time to experiment and a time to get a result.

WCQ/competitive game = get a result.
Friendly = time to experiment.

This is a friendly with lots of fresh names/young prospects, and with the number of dual nationals GGG has called in and gotten into the program thus far... omg he has been killing it. Seriously... he has. And you guys would recognize that and give him credit if you were objectively looking at the rosters and what he has done.

But no... instead of looking at the positives that our program has experienced, and the new guys we have to look forward to seeing... the inclusion of Paul Arriola and Lletget spoils it all.

Seriously guys... come on now...


How is calling in a known quantity coming off a serious injury experimenting? That's the entire point here. The guys that might have a future with the nats are the youngsters. Arriola has no future, and shouldn't be called in. The other issue, of course, is that Berhalter said that he considers Arriola an important part of the set up. That 100% undoes some of the good will he may have built up from the last round of friendlies.

And let's be honest here-how many of those players get called in against Wales and Panama without the COVID restrictions? That was pretty close to a best 11 against Wales, with CP and Sargent the most notable absences. I'd bet LOTS of money that Berhalter doesn't see it that way-he was forced into it. So giving out a bunch of attaboys is decidedly premature.

And I don't care that you put a right footed player on the LW, crossing is a huge part of the gig, and Arriola can't do it. He's a try hard guy. Good. Terrific. Let him keep trying hard in the MLS. He's not international quality. We absolutely have better options than him. The string of injuries that would need to take place before I'd think he was the best for any particular game is quite long.

blaise213
Post #174
Thursday December 3, 2020 11:27pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from cudevil

How is calling in a known quantity coming off a serious injury experimenting? That's the entire point here. The guys that might have a future with the nats are the youngsters. Arriola has no future, and shouldn't be called in. The other issue, of course, is that Berhalter said that he considers Arriola an important part of the set up. That 100% undoes some of the good will he may have built up from the last round of friendlies.

And let's be honest here-how many of those players get called in against Wales and Panama without the COVID restrictions? That was pretty close to a best 11 against Wales, with CP and Sargent the most notable absences. I'd bet LOTS of money that Berhalter doesn't see it that way-he was forced into it. So giving out a bunch of attaboys is decidedly premature.

And I don't care that you put a right footed player on the LW, crossing is a huge part of the gig, and Arriola can't do it. He's a try hard guy. Good. Terrific. Let him keep trying hard in the MLS. He's not international quality. We absolutely have better options than him. The string of injuries that would need to take place before I'd think he was the best for any particular game is quite long.


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Lilshmike
Post #175
Thursday December 3, 2020 11:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from cudevil

How is calling in a known quantity coming off a serious injury experimenting? That's the entire point here. The guys that might have a future with the nats are the youngsters. Arriola has no future, and shouldn't be called in. The other issue, of course, is that Berhalter said that he considers Arriola an important part of the set up. That 100% undoes some of the good will he may have built up from the last round of friendlies.

And let's be honest here-how many of those players get called in against Wales and Panama without the COVID restrictions? That was pretty close to a best 11 against Wales, with CP and Sargent the most notable absences. I'd bet LOTS of money that Berhalter doesn't see it that way-he was forced into it. So giving out a bunch of attaboys is decidedly premature.

And I don't care that you put a right footed player on the LW, crossing is a huge part of the gig, and Arriola can't do it. He's a try hard guy. Good. Terrific. Let him keep trying hard in the MLS. He's not international quality. We absolutely have better options than him. The string of injuries that would need to take place before I'd think he was the best for any particular game is quite long.
Haha omg you're still doing it. You're still complaining about Arriola. You're proving my point and it's on full display.

And let's not forget that you were the one who said that playing Adams at RB one time, in his 2nd game in charge, caused GGG to forever lose all credibility with you.

I'm sorry, but calling it for what it is, you are in no way an objective critic.

I never said calling in Paul was experimental. I said he was a known quantity, and I laid out a scenario where he could realistically get called into a WCQ. And that is clearly causing your head to explode.

The average age of the team is 22. Dike, Akinola, Alvares, Amaya (pre-covid), Perea, Farfan, McKenzie, Araujo, Aaronson, Mueller... I mean... come on man! And you're still bitching about Paul Arriola? Come on man!

Take your emotions out of it, because its clouding your ability to be an objective critic.

Lilshmike
Post #176
Thursday December 3, 2020 11:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
@blaise

Do you not want to take my bet that Arriola gets on the field at LW?

I'll bet too that Long and Zimmerman both start at CB.

Scout92
Lone Star State
Post #177
Thursday December 3, 2020 11:54pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,529
Original post from Lilshmike

Also, what is really funny is how even so much as bringing up Arriola potentially getting called in for WCQ... something that is WILDLY realistic given the amount of games we're going to need to play, the injury problems of others in that position in our pool, the lack of first team professional experience of the other "prospects" (and yes, guys like Konrad and Ledezma are still youth prospects)...

...causes such controversy on this site and gets a page full of posts about how much people hate Arriola.

Y'all need to look past calling in random guys who have "upsaide" and grasp that there is a time to experiment and a time to get a result.

WCQ/competitive game = get a result.
Friendly = time to experiment.

This is a friendly with lots of fresh names/young prospects, and with the number of dual nationals GGG has called in and gotten into the program thus far... omg he has been killing it. Seriously... he has. And you guys would recognize that and give him credit if you were objectively looking at the rosters and what he has done.

But no... instead of looking at the positives that our program has experienced, and the new guys we have to look forward to seeing... the inclusion of Paul Arriola and Lletget spoils it all.

Seriously guys... come on now...


Well it's totally reasonable because this site it called "YANKS ABROAD", so no one came to this site originally to discuss MLS BS at all or ever, even after they tried that MLS page awhile back lol. But I do agree with you on Arriola, I actually have him on my "realistic" final 23 wc squad, he makes it after seeing Gregg's comments on him. Note: Konrad and Richie are on it too.

db707
Post #178
Friday December 4, 2020 1:18am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,130
Original post from blaise213

Arriola is a Brek Shea 2.0

Runs up the side of the field and just crosses the ball without ever looking up.


There are definite similarities. I am in general not a fan of calling a guy who has spent most or all of the season hurt into the team (I said the same when they called Morris into that Gold Cup after he was hurt), so I'd have left him off this roster, but whatever.

blaise213
Post #179
Friday December 4, 2020 1:49am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
Original post from Lilshmike

@blaise

Do you not want to take my bet that Arriola gets on the field at LW?

I'll bet too that Long and Zimmerman both start at CB.


Bet what ?

Lilshmike
Post #180
Friday December 4, 2020 3:43pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from blaise213

Bet what ?
What ya got to bet?

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