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hamsamwich
Post #31
Saturday November 21, 2020 3:23pm

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I don't have Long in my top 6. Gregg does though.

If someone plays well they will take the spot. Miazga was poor especially against Panama. I've wanted to see different guys and we have seen a bunch. None are convincing. It's a problem.

Samtom23
Post #32
Saturday November 21, 2020 3:30pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

I don't have Long in my top 6. Gregg does though.

If someone plays well they will take the spot. Miazga was poor especially against Panama. I've wanted to see different guys and we have seen a bunch. None are convincing. It's a problem.


If I had to pick Gregg's brain, I would think this is how he currently rates the RCB.

1. Zimmerman
2. Long
3. Alvardo
4. Richardsga
5. Miagza
6. CCV
7. EPB

Definitely there is no clear cut answer at the RCB.

Also, Yedlin didn't make the roster for the match today. I am thinking Araujo might take his spot.

Lilshmike
Post #33
Saturday November 21, 2020 3:44pm

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CCV is injured. Christ, I said that in the November friendly thread as to why he wasn't called in, and so many people wanted to complain about his exclusion and argue for calling in an injured guy...

Lilshmike
Post #34
Saturday November 21, 2020 3:50pm

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Original post from Samtom23

If I had to pick Gregg's brain, I would think this is how he currently rates the RCB.

1. Zimmerman
2. Long
3. Alvardo
4. Richardsga
5. Miagza
6. CCV
7. EPB

Definitely there is no clear cut answer at the RCB.

Also, Yedlin didn't make the roster for the match today. I am thinking Araujo might take his spot.
Yedlin is in club limbo. He had some injuries and was jumped for the starting RB spot towards the end of last season. He was supposed to leave Newcastle in the summer, and the club (anticipating it) got a backup RB to take his spot... but they got cute in their negotiations with Besiktas and rejected their initial offer holding out for more money.

Besiktas said, "ok, we'll just find someone else" and thats what they did. Then Newcastle tried to go back to Besiktas and negotiate the offer, but the club had already sorted out their RB needs.

So with Newcastle having their first and second choice RB situated with the expectation of Yedlin leaving, then botching his transfer, he is stuck in limbo at the moment...

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back in MLS after the January window, but I think he might try to just move to a lower level European league.

Know Nothing
Post #35
Saturday November 21, 2020 6:39pm

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So if Yedlin moves and gets into a situation where he is playing significant minutes in a relevant league, where does that put him in relation to Cannon on the depth chart?

Newcastle is a toxic situation right now with a lot of uncertainty over the ownership situation. If there is a takeover that will surely mean investment into the club which means player turnover and almost assuredly a new manager. Yedlin leaving is certainly in his best interest.

I dare say Kyle Scott will be sold for a song in January with his deal running out as well. When he agreed to go to Newcastle his route to the first team seemed relatively easy. Benitez was the manager and knew him from his Chelsea days and endorsed the signing. But between Scott agreeing to go and Scott officially signing Benitez left and they replaced him with the huff and puff Steve Bruce. So Scott has languished in the reserves without getting a sniff. I believe his contract runs out in the summer and he will surely leave on a free so I dare say skint Newcastle will try to sell him. Could be a cheap option for a MLS team looking for a creative player, but having had his head turned by the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid in his younger days, I don't think he would accept a move to MLS unless it was his only option.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #36
Tuesday November 24, 2020 9:12pm

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Imo, he is clearly behind Cannon at RB. I don't think he is a great fit for GB at RB. I don't think he makes the roster for the WC...which I said right after GB became the new coach. Yedlin doesn't check enough boxes for what GB wants at RB.

Dave
Post #37
Wednesday November 25, 2020 6:54pm

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@ Samtom23 - None of us know what Gregg is actually thinking regarding the RCB position. If I were to have to guess though I would guess that the 7 players you listed are in the discussion...just maybe not in the Order you've outlined.
My impression of Gregg's pecking order....
1) Long, 2) Zimmerman, 3) Miazga, 4) Richards, 5) CCV, 6) EPB, 7) Alvarado
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Regarding Yedlin...he's a casualty of his club situation and the advancement of younger players. Initially he was seen as a veteran presence to a very young squad. That hasn't really changed, but the fact that we now have younger options who better fit the style Gregg wants to play getting significant minutes in Europe has tempered the need for that "Veteran" presence. Dest, Cannon, & A. Robinson have made significant improvement and are gaining in experience daily. Moore, Vines, Gasper, Araujo are making strides to take that 4th outside back position.
Till one of them finalizes that claim Yedlin will likely hold onto that 4th roster spot.
I think for the immediate future though I think Gregg will run with 3 outside backs in the "A" Team camp and use Yedlin as the Starting RB for the "B" Team.

bjelks
Post #38
Wednesday November 25, 2020 7:01pm

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@dave I'm gonna play Devil's advocate but I don't agree that Cannon is at a high enough Level or does anything well enough to displace Yedlin.

We'll see if he gets a move in Jan
goalsense
cudevil
Post #39
Wednesday November 25, 2020 7:02pm

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Original post from bjelks

@dave I'm gonna play Devil's advocate but I don't agree that Cannon is at a high enough Level or does anything well enough to displace Yedlin.

We'll see if he gets a move in Jan


What happens if Yedlin moves to the MLS?

bjelks
Post #40
Wednesday November 25, 2020 9:30pm

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Original post from cudevil

What happens if Yedlin moves to the MLS?


Then he had no other options and decided that his International career was over.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Chris Richards May be our best backup option at right and left back.

The kid is starting for Bayern again, this time at LB.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #41
Wednesday November 25, 2020 9:44pm

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Original post from bjelks

Then he had no other options and decided that his International career was over.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Chris Richards May be our best backup option at right and left back.

The kid is starting for Bayern again, this time at LB.


But Yedlin is literally the same player if he goes to the MLS as the one that you state is better than Cannon.

I'm watching Richards play right now. He's not who we want as an outside back, save for maybe to see out a game. At least not in a 4-3-3 or similar. Dest, Robinson, Cannon, and Yedlin are all significantly better/more comfortable at jumping into the attack.

bjelks
Post #42
Wednesday November 25, 2020 10:59pm

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Original post from cudevil

But Yedlin is literally the same player if he goes to the MLS as the one that you state is better than Cannon.

I'm watching Richards play right now. He's not who we want as an outside back, save for maybe to see out a game. At least not in a 4-3-3 or similar. Dest, Robinson, Cannon, and Yedlin are all significantly better/more comfortable at jumping into the attack.


You're only as good as the competition you face. Good national teams drop players when their level is too low. I think Yedlin is a better athlete than Cannon and the same on the ball technically.
But if he moves to a level that's too low, his form, urgency, sharpness will drop as well.

Cannon isnt great going forward, neither is Robinson. Both also have sketchy techniques, I highly doubt Richards can be much worse in the attack.

Unless someone emerges, this opposite of Dest will fb, will be a major red flag.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #43
Friday December 11, 2020 4:19pm

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So back to this again after the friendlies the last two months-

LCB - Brooks, Ream, ????
RCB - Richards, Long, Miazga

I think that's how the coaches see it right now. If Ream is the backup to Brooks (idea being he's a distributing veteran left footed LCB), then I could maybe see the two backups being McKenzie and EPB at Right CB to complement that veteran guy at LCB. Which would be Brooks of course. Long and Miazga haven't done anything to convince me they are better than Richards, or EPB or McKenzie.

Looking towards 2021 I'd like to see Richards, McKenzie, EPB all given chances at the LCB spot just because I don't want Ream to be that backup but other guys need to prove that on the field. There will be plenty of games. McKenzie looked fine there the other night.

Dave
Post #44
Tuesday January 12, 2021 2:11am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Brooks-Miazga has never looked like a solid partnership. It's been tried before. I like Matt but not aside Brooks. I'd keep him over Long. Z-man, but not McKenzie.

I'm a big fan of EPB but like I said it's me being a fan that says he will do great, his pedigree says maybe.

CCV May have had a good percentage but I've never seen him make any pass that is Brooks like or even Ream like.

My top 4: Brooks, McKenzie, EPB, Richards.
Next: Ream, Miazga


I'd be happy with your top 4....but considering how little Gregg played Richards in the November camp and the Fact Gregg overlooked EPB completely even though we played in Austria, lends me to believe Gregg still favors Ream & Miazga.
I hope this changes over the next 6 months, but not sure it will.

hamsamwich
Post #45
Tuesday January 12, 2021 2:22am

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I do think there is an element of professionalism out of Ream that for camps is valuable. He's been his clubs player of the year I think twice for Bolton and once for Fulham. That's impressive even if he's a championship level player and the USA standard has finally gone past that.... simply for doing whatever Gregg asks, being humble and respectful, and being able to perform all of the passes and defensive moves in training is valuable for the others (even if it shows that Ream himself is a step slow these days). If someone else were in the team drill the ball may not go to the attacking player Gregg wants to look at- or if maybe the young defenders don't have the right spacing on defense Gregg can't evaluate the midfielders or outside backs. That's my guess. I don't see him making the World Cup roster personally.

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