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bjelks
Post #16
Tuesday November 17, 2020 3:34pm

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[quote]Original post from EKneezy

I don't understand the hate for Ream a backup left footer. He's still in the Fulham squad helping them to promotion. He is absolutely not Premier League quality but as a vet backup Championship CB isn't the worst option. I don't think his spot Is guaranteed but he's also not a throwaway

John Brooks gets hurt and we're screwed. His ceiling combined with the all out midfield and our wingers really will help us in qualifying.[/

Well Ream has had several bad performances and younger guys at good levels like EPB, CCV and Richards haven't gotten chances
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bjelks
Post #17
Tuesday November 17, 2020 3:37pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Outside of JAB, we do not have a "complete" defender. By complete I mean athletic, physical, tactical.

Passing statistics can be deceiving. Is he passing sideways, back to his keeper, or forward to a teammate? They do not tell the complete picture.

I don't think we necessarily need to have a set starter for each position, but we do need to recognize each players strengths and weaknesses and set the starting lineup based on the opponent.

For example, against Panama Miazga and Ream may have been the two worst players to choose to start in the middle given the athleticism and speed of the Panamanians.


Brooks can be quite clumsy in open field challenges, I'd argue that EPB, Richards, CCV, maybe Mckenzie are better athletes
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cudevil
Post #18
Tuesday November 17, 2020 8:20pm

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Original post from bjelks

Brooks can be quite clumsy in open field challenges, I'd argue that EPB, Richards, CCV, maybe Mckenzie are better athletes


Those guys might be better athletes, but Brooks isn't a liability athletically.

cudevil
Post #19
Tuesday November 17, 2020 8:22pm

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Original post from EKneezy

I don't understand the hate for Ream a backup left footer. He's still in the Fulham squad helping them to promotion. He is absolutely not Premier League quality but as a vet backup Championship CB isn't the worst option. I don't think his spot Is guaranteed but he's also not a throwaway

John Brooks gets hurt and we're screwed. His ceiling combined with the all out midfield and our wingers really will help us in qualifying.


I don't hate Ream-we just know exactly what he is. He might very well be the best backup at LCB. I'd just rather see what else we have since Ream isn't changing at this point.

Dave
Post #20
Wednesday November 18, 2020 2:26am

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Original post from cudevil

I don't hate Ream-we just know exactly what he is. He might very well be the best backup at LCB. I'd just rather see what else we have since Ream isn't changing at this point.


I actually was an advocate for Ream back when we played a flat back 4 in the empty bucket 4-4-2 (10 years ago), but he no longer fits the abilities needed for our CB's since both the LB & RB are expected to get into the attack in Gregg's system. This will often leave the CB's with ton's of open space for them to defend (behind & wide). Ream at 33 lacks the ability to cover that ground, and his ability to do so in the future is getting less and less likely every day.
If Gregg wants another Veteran presence he should go with Alvarado...as good a passer, can play anywhere along the back-line, but has significantly more athletic ability.
If Gregg want a younger LCB option...I rate any of the following equal to Ream but with up-side (McKenzie, EPB, CCV).
Unless Gregg decides to go to a 3 back formation I see no value of Ream being on this team.

Samtom23
Post #21
Wednesday November 18, 2020 2:51am

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I think the main reason Ream is there is because leadership. Unfortunately, the previous cycle didn't produce much so we are left with an older player(s) to fill the position. I would rather have Ream as an assistant than a player. But who is the older late 20's player that fills that role that the younger crop of players identifies with?

bjelks
Post #22
Wednesday November 18, 2020 9:12pm

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You mean John Brooks lol?
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Dave
Post #23
Thursday November 19, 2020 3:39am

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Original post from bjelks

You mean John Brooks lol?

and if a 2nd "Veteran" defender is needed there's Alvarado or Yedlin.

Samtom23
Post #24
Thursday November 19, 2020 5:03am

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Original post from Dave

and if a 2nd "Veteran" defender is needed there's Alvarado or Yedlin.


@Bjelks-Let me clarify, a second CB to pair with Brooks. Miagza, Richards, CCV, Alvardo, EPB, Mckenzie and even with a bad season even Long are in contention for the other CB position. It is a shame, EPB didn't get a call in so we could actually see what he offers but he is an unknown quality until he gets a call. I do fault GB for not at least kicking the tires on EPB, especially when it was in freaking Austria.

Same with Alvardo, we need to actually see how they perform, no comparison of leagues but the real time in person look in game. It could be that it is Alvarado that backs up Brooks and gives us that slightly older veteran defender.

Yedlin is the odd man out already-he is third tier on RBs, so there is no need for him.

I think we will see more of Ream because he is a left foot centered back that can back up Brooks. There isn't another LB that is on the horizon. Not keen on this but I think GB is committed to playing a left foot/right foot CB combo.

Know Nothing
Post #25
Thursday November 19, 2020 6:33am

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Maybe the answer isn't personnel but rather formation? Playing with 3 CB changes the gaps between a back 2. Playing with wingbacks make Antonee Robinson a better prospect on the left and Dest free to maraud down the right.

The downside...we eliminate an attacking option if we opt for 3-5-2 or we eliminate one of Musah or Adams if we play 3-4-3.

If we had three good ball playing CD's we could easily play 3-4-3. For sake of argument...

Steffen
Richards, EPB/Miazga, Brooks
Dest, Adams, McKennie, Robinson
Reyna, Soto/Sargent, CP

Or we could have some real fun and play a 3-4-2-1 with a false 9

Steffen
Richards, EPB/Miazga, Brooks
Dest, Adams, McKennie, Robinson
Musah, Reyna
CP

Dave
Post #26
Thursday November 19, 2020 7:04am

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Original post from Samtom23
Yedlin is the odd man out already-he is third tier on RBs, so there is no need for him.

Gregg only brought 3 outside backs into this camp. Which is fine during friendlies, but for a qualifier window or a tournament he's going to bring 4. You say Yedlin is the 3rd tier RB...guessing behind Dest & Cannon. And the top 2 LBs are Dest & Robinson, then the reality is that if Yedlin is better than the 3rd tier LB he makes the 23.

Original post from Samtom23
I think we will see more of Ream because he is a left foot centered back that can back up Brooks. There isn't another LB that is on the horizon.

Alvarado is 2 footed. He can play any position across the back line. He may be right foot dominant but he is accomplished using his left. He's younger & faster than Ream and provides emergency coverage at both outside back positions.

Original post from Know Nothing
Maybe the answer isn't personnel but rather formation? Playing with 3 CB changes the gaps between a back 2. Playing with wingbacks make Antonee Robinson a better prospect on the left and Dest free to maraud down the right.

The downside...we eliminate an attacking option if we opt for 3-5-2 or we eliminate one of Musah or Adams if we play 3-4-3.
CP


Know Nothing - before Musah's potential addition to the team I was all for the possibility of moving to a 3 back system. With Brooks, Alvarado, Richards, Miazga, EPB, & CCV we have the athletic CB's to cover the formation and free up Dest & Robinson to be more attack minded. I was particularly thinking this when we were thin at wide attackers...but with Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Uli, & Konrad all making advancements my worry about the wide positions has diminished significantly.

Samtom23
Post #27
Thursday November 19, 2020 8:06am

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Original post from Dave

Gregg only brought 3 outside backs into this camp. Which is fine during friendlies, but for a qualifier window or a tournament he's going to bring 4. You say Yedlin is the 3rd tier RB...guessing behind Dest & Cannon. And the top 2 LBs are Dest & Robinson, then the reality is that if Yedlin is better than the 3rd tier LB he makes the 23.

Alvarado is 2 footed. He can play any position across the back line. He may be right foot dominant but he is accomplished using his left. He's younger & faster than Ream and provides emergency coverage at both outside back positions.

Know Nothing - before Musah's potential addition to the team I was all for the possibility of moving to a 3 back system. With Brooks, Alvarado, Richards, Miazga, EPB, & CCV we have the athletic CB's to cover the formation and free up Dest & Robinson to be more attack minded. I was particularly thinking this when we were thin at wide attackers...but with Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Uli, & Konrad all making advancements my worry about the wide positions has diminished significantly.


With regards to Alvardo, he needs to be seen in a camp with the team. I know GB visited Alvardo last year. I would still play him at RCB. Keep strength to strength. It could be that it is him that pairs with Brooks. But there are tons of candidates, EPB, Long, Richards, Zimmerman, Otawosie, CCV. But if that RCB is made clear this year then you can keep Antonee Robinson, which despite the average game should still be on the radar.

Know Nothing
Post #28
Thursday November 19, 2020 4:00pm

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Original post from Dave

Know Nothing - before Musah's potential addition to the team I was all for the possibility of moving to a 3 back system. With Brooks, Alvarado, Richards, Miazga, EPB, & CCV we have the athletic CB's to cover the formation and free up Dest & Robinson to be more attack minded. I was particularly thinking this when we were thin at wide attackers...but with Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Uli, & Konrad all making advancements my worry about the wide positions has diminished significantly.


Fair enough, but after watching Reyna and CP, they are usually more centrally located in the attacking third of the field so there would still be space out wide for a wingback.

hamsamwich
Post #29
Saturday November 21, 2020 2:28pm

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This is what keeps happening. I get up a little early and so I check what's on espn+ and see Bournemouth vs reading in the championship. Nice, watch some CCV and see if he can pass the ball today. One problem: he's not even in the squad. He's not getting games in the championship right now. He needs to be playing to be in consideration for anything. Defending more than any other position is about reps and playing situations and confidence. Somebody has to partner Brooks and nobody is stepping up to do that right now.

Its a big opportunity in this game for the MLS defenders to show they could be an option. I don't think they are the cream of the crop necessarily but we've gone over how many games are coming up... if someone stakes their claim in camp and friendlies I believe that Gregg will keep playing them regardless. That person is Long he's just been average this year.

bjelks
Post #30
Saturday November 21, 2020 2:58pm

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I think CCV is injured but can't find any info on him

I don't think Long has been average this yr, I think he's always been bad to average

His technique is bad, his awareness isn't good, his passing is bad, and he's looked bad 1v1 against 3rd tier competition
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