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Know Nothing
Post #121
Monday October 26, 2020 5:04pm

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Original post from Scout92

Yeah and after Gregg's comments about him, it's safe to say he'll get one. Which tbh I don't think he deserves, didn't play for a whole season at Hannover, bad attitude, now whining about leaving for Chile. Plus his call up displaces some like Novakovich who honestly deserves one more, he was a goal or two away from playing in Serie A this season and had a productive year in a harder league than Soto.


I would agree. I think there is an easy comparison there...Nova played a season at Telstar and did well. Heck, Kyle Scott had a good loan few months Telstar and drew comparisons to Donny VanDerBeek. It is very easy to stand out there.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #122
Monday October 26, 2020 5:17pm

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Deserving or not I think it's a good idea to hold onto as much talent as you can because you never know when you may need them to step up due to injuries etc. It really doesn't hurt to call him into a camp if that will make him feel wanted/appreciated by US soccer.

db707
Post #123
Monday October 26, 2020 5:23pm

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Original post from Kamphgruppe

Deserving or not I think it's a good idea to hold onto as much talent as you can because you never know when you may need them to step up due to injuries etc. It really doesn't hurt to call him into a camp if that will make him feel wanted/appreciated by US soccer.


I get what you're saying, but also rewarding spoiled brat behavior (call me up because I'm doing so great in the Dutch second division or I'm going to play for Chile) doesn't sit well with me.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #124
Monday October 26, 2020 5:32pm

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Original post from db707

I get what you're saying, but also rewarding spoiled brat behavior (call me up because I'm doing so great in the Dutch second division or I'm going to play for Chile) doesn't sit well with me.


Me either but I am not convinced that is what is happening here. I think players sometimes just need to know they are valued. Chilie is courting him hard and he need to make a decision soon. I think he wants to play for the US but needs to know if there is a real interest before he makes an irreversible decision. Obviously we don't know what conversations (if any) there have been between US soccer and him. I know a few of the players we lost were because there was allegedly zero communication.

Know Nothing
Post #125
Monday October 26, 2020 6:10pm

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I don't see the harm in calling him into camp to evaluate him, see where he is, and give him an honest assessment of where the coach sees him right now with regards to the squad and other attacking options as well as future plans (if any). Dealing with dual nationals can be difficult...if you cap tie them just to hold onto them it will make others in the future think hard about joining.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #126
Monday October 26, 2020 6:27pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I don't see the harm in calling him into camp to evaluate him, see where he is, and give him an honest assessment of where the coach sees him right now with regards to the squad and other attacking options as well as future plans (if any). Dealing with dual nationals can be difficult...if you cap tie them just to hold onto them it will make others in the future think hard about joining.


Agreed, he need to be told honestly where we see his current level and what expectations we have for starters or players in consideration for call ups are. He also needs to be told we value his past contributions at the youth level, and that we want him to continue at the senior level if he meets said expectations. I wish US Soccer was more transparent in general to the public about those standards as well

Spank
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Post #127
Monday October 26, 2020 7:12pm

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Original post from db707

I get what you're saying, but also rewarding spoiled brat behavior (call me up because I'm doing so great in the Dutch second division or I'm going to play for Chile) doesn't sit well with me.


I somewhat share the same feeling, but I can understand the frustration if Berhalter has regular contact with less deserving players. I'm aware Soto hasn't made a name for himself yet, but maybe he feels that he's in Europe trying to challenge himself at the highest levels of the game and not getting any recognition. Of course pure speculation on my part.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #128
Monday October 26, 2020 10:43pm

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Striker options are dire. I still think the US should have the best players in the best form in the squad but I hope Berhalter casts a wide net. I don't mind Soto or Novakovich coming in.

Johansson could get a look he's tearing up it with Hammarby

Sargent is still young.

Zardes is productive but limited.

Jozy can't stay healthy.

I'd still go Sargent but he's not given considering how wonky Bremen plays.

stoked-3
Post #129
Monday October 26, 2020 11:57pm

Joined Mar 2020
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I dont rate Soto (however his goal this weekend was impressive)-I just dont think his touch/speed are that great-but happy that he is trying to make it abroad vs mls and hopes he develops. I really dont care for his attitude of I need to be called now, or else Im playing for Chile-It is one thing if he was at a large club not playing and had tons of potential-guys like Renya Dest last yr but Soto is not at their talent level. I would rather see akinola called than Soto. I would have been ok with the call up up until I saw his recent interview -Im on the fence about calling him if anything maybe call in 30 to 35 guys and cut him unless he impresses in practice

Arjo needs to be called in-if and I doubt he can but if he stays healthy he is a very skillful striker

JS is in a tough spot-he is on a team where he does not get service, that is not on him.
But what he posses is good technical skills and footwork-that should provide to be a good compliment now that we have guys with good touch as well--

Jozy was good at hold up play but slowed down our attack, JS can hold up but bc of his foot work keep the attack fluid. the guy is always hurt and his USMNT days look to be behind him

No reason for Zardes to be called in --I can see Aaronson being called in that makes sense to me other than that I dont think we need to see any mls guys in this camp

bjelks
Post #130
Tuesday October 27, 2020 1:14am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from stoked-3

I dont rate Soto (however his goal this weekend was impressive)-I just dont think his touch/speed are that great-but happy that he is trying to make it abroad vs mls and hopes he develops. I really dont care for his attitude of I need to be called now, or else Im playing for Chile-It is one thing if he was at a large club not playing and had tons of potential-guys like Renya Dest last yr but Soto is not at their talent level. I would rather see akinola called than Soto. I would have been ok with the call up up until I saw his recent interview -Im on the fence about calling him if anything maybe call in 30 to 35 guys and cut him unless he impresses in practice

Arjo needs to be called in-if and I doubt he can but if he stays healthy he is a very skillful striker

JS is in a tough spot-he is on a team where he does not get service, that is not on him.
But what he posses is good technical skills and footwork-that should provide to be a good compliment now that we have guys with good touch as well-

Jozy was good at hold up play but slowed down our attack, JS can hold up but bc of his foot work keep the attack fluid. the guy is always hurt and his USMNT days look to be behind him

No reason for Zardes to be called in -I can see Aaronson being called in that makes sense to me other than that I dont think we need to see any mls guys in this camp


I'll repeat. Haji Wright is leading Denmark in scoring.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #131
Tuesday October 27, 2020 3:23am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,117
Original post from bjelks

I'll repeat. Haji Wright is leading Denmark in scoring.


He has 5 goals and is tied for the league lead in goals. I would not be opposed to calling him in. Perhaps Denmark has kick started his faltering career. Always had high hopes for him.

hamsamwich
Post #132
Tuesday October 27, 2020 2:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
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McKennie over the corona virus. Here to show everyone in Wales who jumps the highest.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #133
Tuesday October 27, 2020 4:15pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Strikers I expect to see:

Sargent, Weah, & Soto.

If Gregg goes with Weah as one of his wingers then I'll add Novakovich.

Don't see Gregg calling Ajo or Wright. Wright still carrying the bad rep from Dutch league, but if he keeps scoring, he'll be called for sure in the future. Ajo, not sure Gregg rates him, he has been injured and seems part of the past now. We'll see, sure Gregg will be looking at who will fit his system and has been playing.

cudevil
Post #134
Tuesday October 27, 2020 6:42pm

Joined Oct 2012
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I know ArJo isn't currently playing in a high league, but he's got history of scoring in high level leagues, is only 29, and is by far the most in-form striker. He could easily fill a bench role in '22. While his injury history isn't good, you have to deal with how guys are feeling right now.

If GB can't find a spot for someone with ArJo's skillset, there is a significant problem with GB's system.

bjelks
Post #135
Tuesday October 27, 2020 7:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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About Arjo's level, I can guarantee you it's at least on par with Zardes and Jozy's.
From a skillset standpoint, he's our most clinical and clever finisher.

If Gregg truly wants a culture based on level of play, minutes and performance, Haji is a no brainer.
I don't want to go down the list of obviously awful players that Gregg has called repeatedly.

Weah can play 9, but he's more useful in this system as a winger. As a player he offers more 1on1 ability, combo play, and a bigger threat from distance than Morris. Regarding Morris' speed, I saw Farfan track him down from 10 yds away last wk.
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