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Dave
Post #1
Saturday August 29, 2020 6:15am

Joined Jul 2014
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I don't usually start threads, but with 2021 looking like it's going to be a congested schedule with 3 competitions on the horizon; I'm interested to see how USSF prioritizes and distributes players to compete in so many important (relatively speaking) tournaments. I'd like to hear what competitions the "Yanks Abroad" community believes should take precedence (Gold Cup, WC Qualification, Olympics) and who makes up the 20-23 man squads for each competition.
Rules:
1) Rank each competitions Importance (GC, WCQ, Olympics)
2) Each squad must have 3 dedicated Keepers.
3) Olympics squad must be age eligible (20 players, with 3 over-aged players allowed)
4) A player can only be selected/used in 2 competitions
5) Max of 10 players can be selected/used twice, but only 5 per competition (Example: 10 players from Olympics....5 can be used in WCQ & 5 in GC...but all 10 cannot carry over to the same competition.)
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Should provide a comprehensive list of what people think our depth chart really is.

Know Nothing
Post #2
Saturday August 29, 2020 6:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,796
Ranking in importance:

WC Qualifying
Olympics
GC

Rule #5 really makes it difficult because if I were GB I would want to try and use the Olympics to build a solid young core to the team moving forward to WCQ. I would use the GC to identify quality reserves.

I will give it a thought and try and put together teams later

Samtom23
Post #3
Sunday August 30, 2020 2:17pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from Know Nothing

Ranking in importance:

WC Qualifying
Olympics
GC

Rule #5 really makes it difficult because if I were GB I would want to try and use the Olympics to build a solid young core to the team moving forward to WCQ. I would use the GC to identify quality reserves.

I will give it a thought and try and put together teams later


Agreed order will work on my teams tomorrow

hamsamwich
Post #4
Sunday August 30, 2020 5:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,390
I was going to have the olympics second but as it turns out I'm putting them third just because I have zero idea who would be released. I'd love to see us do well, but now I feel the timing is off as far as the world cups importance and using the gold cup to help identify domestic based players who could help improve the team. I'm assuming players will be healthy like Weah, etc.... here goes-something:

WC Qualifying: most important and used to build the framework for the future, near (2022) and far (2026). With that in mind I'm playing certain players "up" a little early like Chris Richards.

Keepers: Steffen, Johnson, Turner
LB: Robinson, Moore
LCB: Brooks, Ream
RCB: Richards, Long
RB: Dest, Yedlin
Greggs #6: Yueill, Cardoso
#8: Adams, McKennie
#10: Reyna, Holmes
LW: Pulisic, Morris
CF: Sargent, Zardes
RW: Weah, Arriola

I have some experience on there with the likes of Yedlin, Brooks, Ream, Zardes and Arriola. Guys who I think are the grinders of the old crew. I do expect Roldan to be on this team but he's not on my team, just missing out for Cardoso, who I think Gregg is going to pick if can keep rising in brazil.

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Gold Cup: 2nd in importance and I will have zero crossover which I actually think will never happen in a million years. **in reality the domestic players should be here with the better rated players from Europe playing in the olympics, but I don't see releases for those guys so I got confused and just wanted to rate the domestic options currently playing in MLS and Mexico.
Players who ball out here can get into the World Cup qualifying squad even though I'm not rating it that way.

Keepers: Guzan, Yarborough, Horvath
LB: Gaspar, Vines
LCB: McKenzie, Keita
RCB: Zimmerman, Alvarado
RB: Cannon, Duncan
Greggs #6: Bradley, Trapp
#8: Roldan, Green
#10: Aaronson, Lletget
LW: Llanez, Saucedo
CF: Jozy, Soto
RW: Mueller, Giaocchini

I went with a younger squad there than I probably wanted to, although I think the schedule will be crowded and Gregg will give a chance to the premium players who are at the fringes of their clubs like Llanez and Harper a chance with the big team to show what they have.

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Olympics: probably more important than Gold Cup but the schedule will be so crowded that I don't think any of our "guys" will be released. I may also make a mistake or two on here in respect to age and whatnot.

Keepers:, Marcinkowski, Ochoa, Las
Defenders: Gloster, EPB, CCV, M Robinson, Olosunde, Araujo
Midfielders: Busio, Cappis, Kayo, de la Torre, Mendez, Pomykal
Attackers: Konrad, Ebobisse, Ferreira, Vassilev, C. Harper.

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Harder than I thought. Hoping I didn't miss anyone obvious it was tough to balance the teams out. Dealing with the Olympics and not sending scrubs but being realistic was tough. It will be interesting to see who is actually allowed to rep the USA.

Bringing together the best performers, leaders and talent at the end of this process leading up to the World Cup is what I think is the function of all the games and competitions. Get enough of your best to qualify but leave no stone unturned as far as minutes go for guys like Ledezma or EPB or whoever I put on the Olympic team.

Know Nothing
Post #5
Wednesday September 2, 2020 9:32pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,796
No love for Miazga @Hamsamwich? Just curious if it is a case where you do not think GB will pick him or that you do not rate him?

hamsamwich
Post #6
Wednesday September 2, 2020 11:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,390
I actually forgot him- and I think it's because Gregg doesn't like him... Looking at my teams I'd put him where I had Alvarado for the gold cup. I do rate Miazga I actually think he's better on the ball than given credit for because he's been playing for long ball craptastic Reading. He needs a loan to show what he can do that's more variable than just challenging for defensive headers.

I'll switch out Pomykal who will be injured for my Olympic squad with Eryk Williamson who has had a good start for Portland.

Know Nothing
Post #7
Thursday September 3, 2020 7:37am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,796
As stated earlier, I rate GC last and WC Quaifying first.

WC Qualifying

I would prefer a fluid team in a 3-4-3 setup that can play as a 5-4-1 when defensive. Dest and Robinson out wide as wingbacks allows CP, and Reyna (or Weah) to operate more freely towards the middle.

Steffen, Guzan, Johnson;

Dest, Cannon, A Robinson, Brooks, Miazga, M. Robinson, Long, Richards, Yedlin

McKennie, Adams, Yuell, Holmes, Pomykal

Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Sargent, Zardes, Morris,

Olympics

As I recall, we are allowed 3 overage players so I select Horvath, and Yedlin

Horvath, Klinsmann, Brady Scott

Gloster, EPB, CCV, *Richards, Otasowie, Moore, Kik Pierie, Yedlin

Durkin, Williamson, Taitague, Mendez, Aaronson, Ledezma

Vassilev, Soto, Llanez, Nova, *Reyna, Akinola

Gold Cup

I would use the to kick the tires on some deserving MLS talents and youngish duals.

Guzan, Turner, Yarborough

*Cannon, *M. Robinson, Opara, Zimmerman, Desevio Payne, Areola, Giles Phillips, Alvarado

de la Torre, *Yuell, Kayo, Lletget, Cappis, *Pomykal

Esparza, Busio, Jozy, Wright, Saucedo, *Morris

And thank you @Hamsamwich for going first...I could not have done this without the help of your list as a starting point.

bjelks
Post #8
Thursday September 3, 2020 1:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,694
https://twitter.com/chuckme92soccer/status/13...

I think you guys should seriously consider Johnny Cardoso for the backup 6.
Honestly, I don't think Yueill is even close in the same class Cardoso.
At 18, he started and won man of the match for the #1 team in Brazil.
Food for thought. Time to let go of the mls quota.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #9
Thursday September 3, 2020 2:36pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,390
I did

hamsamwich
Post #10
Thursday September 3, 2020 2:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,390
@knownothing- it's crowded, you're welcome. For my money about 6-7 guys are truly locked in the rest is up for grabs.

Samtom23
Post #11
Thursday September 3, 2020 3:11pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from bjelks

https://twitter.com/chuckme92soccer/status/13...

I think you guys should seriously consider Johnny Cardoso for the backup 6.
Honestly, I don't think Yueill is even close in the same class Cardoso.
At 18, he started and won man of the match for the #1 team in Brazil.
Food for thought. Time to let go of the mls quota.


Food for thought, try not calling someone a racist, fan boy or mention a MLS quota when you disagree with a selection that you personally disagree with. And try to acknowledge, you have no professional experience or expertise that would make your opinion any greater than anyone else on this site.

Samtom23
Post #12
Thursday September 3, 2020 3:14pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Still working on mine, been a busy week at work.

Know Nothing
Post #13
Thursday September 3, 2020 4:33pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,796
Original post from hamsamwich

@knownothing- it's crowded, you're welcome. For my money about 6-7 guys are truly locked in the rest is up for grabs.


It is, especially with the olympic team. I would have seriously considered Konrad but seeing as he is getting up to time where he will be pushing for first team minutes and will probably be going out on loan so I would not want to interrupt his development.

It was very tempting to include Kyle Scott somewhere, but his lack of 1st team football really inhibits including him.

I also considered Charlie Kelman but we have too many young and exciting prospects.

hamsamwich
Post #14
Thursday September 3, 2020 9:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,390
I did not consider at the time, but I do think the Gold Cup would be a good place to cap tie some of our younger, serious prospects. I mean Ricardo Pepi specifically and I would replace Jozy with Pepi on my Gold Cup team. I could see a guy like Johnny Cardoso included here as well for the same reason and I'm sure there may be a few others out there in that category I'm not considering. To me Jozy has gotten older and bigger and I'm not looking for him at the future. He got rostered out of my 23 for qualifying but I'd keep him there just in case something happens to Josh or Gyasi.

Our exercise is helping to define the pool but I know Gregg will overlap and bring guys in on his schedule. It will be a very busy 12 months that's for sure.

njace007
Post #15
Saturday September 5, 2020 1:36am

Joined Sep 2020
Total Posts: 2
World Cup Qualifying should be most important. The Olympics should be used to get these younger players not factoring into the national team to get playing time. The Gold Cup and friendlies should be used to get your every day lineup in form with little changes.

Maybe if the United States had more than one scout or valued players on their attributes than trying to force them into a system, we wouldn't be in this situation with the program being behind where it should be in depth.

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