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bjelks
Post #106
Sunday October 11, 2020 11:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Kamphgruppe

So your saying that the black and Hispanic players on our team were not picked for their playing skills but because they are docile and middle class. I bet if you said that shit to their faces they would kick your ass.

This is the paranoid and delusional thinking that I was referring to. I would love to know who is behind the master plan to pick these Cow like players that apparently and not inclusive in American society.

Sorry boys, I know that out team is 2/3 minorities but you guys were all hand picked by whitey so your not real minorities at all.


I'm happy for those guys and proud of them, but it's painfully ignorant of you to be blind to the the classism and posturing in USSF.

Let me ask you this. How many people of color have had high ranking jobs in USSF or with the USMNT? You can say Earnie, but he's a tool and has no power.

Then look at the black kids in the USMNT and look at how many have 2 black parents and where they come from, not the same backgrounds as the nfl and nba.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #107
Sunday October 11, 2020 11:47am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Samtom23

I broke down the Mexico game for you. Regarding Morris, he came in and gave the team life. And he clearly aided something to the game and that was without Dest. And in the Mexico game, Morales got ran past. Mckennie backed past to Steffen dangerously and Boyd didn't mark his man. Morris did have a weak effort with his left foot but he did draw a penalty that Sargent missed. I would say watch the game again because he clearly held his own.


You lie on this thread to hype mls players in every post. I'll just say it again, you have no credibility with me and I don't care what you think.
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #108
Sunday October 11, 2020 12:29pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

You lie on this thread to hype mls players in every post. I'll just say it again, you have no credibility with me and I don't care what you think.


Haha! I want MLS players to do well that doesn't mean I will select them over players that I feel are better. There is no lie in that whatsoever. But I would also mostly select a Euro based team with two to three exceptions. Am I lying when it was Morales that got ran past? Or was it a lie when Steffen passed the ball to Steffen in dangerous territory without noticing the defender? Or was it a lie that Boyd didn't mark his man that lead to an easy header. And don't worry, Bjelks, you destroy your own credibility on a consistent bases. Especially, when you start talking your bullshit theories about race and the selection process. Docile minorities? Really?

Philip
Post #109
Sunday October 11, 2020 4:55pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 44
Original post from bjelks

Then look at the black kids in the USMNT and look at how many have 2 black parents and where they come from, not the same backgrounds as the nfl and nba.

How much of that is due to what those kids are exposed to growing up? How many inner-city parks have basketball courts? How many have soccer fields? You take a very narrow view of things and draw wide sweeping conclusions. You do the same with your player evaluations. You pushed Terrence Boyd over Altidore based on the league they played in without considering why they chose their respective leagues. When Boyd and Altidore wound up on the same team in the same league Altidore came out on top. All those opinions you had of Boyd being superior did not help him succeed.

bjelks
Post #110
Sunday October 11, 2020 11:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Philip

How much of that is due to what those kids are exposed to growing up? How many inner-city parks have basketball courts? How many have soccer fields? You take a very narrow view of things and draw wide sweeping conclusions. You do the same with your player evaluations. You pushed Terrence Boyd over Altidore based on the league they played in without considering why they chose their respective leagues. When Boyd and Altidore wound up on the same team in the same league Altidore came out on top. All those opinions you had of Boyd being superior did not help him succeed.


Phillip, soccer isn't cool/ appealing to American black kids bc American soccer players don't make money compared to NBA and NFL players, they don't date or marry black women, they don't celebrate or embrace hip-hop culture.

There's a wide sweeping view for your Phillip. To be clear, as much as I like the black guys that deserve to be and represent the team, they are not a reflection of the common black man in America and they are not the type of personalities that black ppl relate to and will support. I don't care what you think of me and my perspective on race and sport. You obviously do not have experience in this area.

Until you win a trophy at a global level, please keep your thoughts about how the rest of the world evaluates players to yourself. Altidore has been a wash for 5 yrs. He is a black player that sold out to USSF in exchange for unmerited money, call ups, and recognition. Jozy is a representation of everything that's wrong with USSF/ USMNT. Boyd came to mls to retire and collect easy checks after a series of bad injuries and never quite fit in with a Toronto team that Jozy had a stranglehold on. None of this means Boyd didn't deserve chances in his prime or Jozy isn't or hasn't been washed at the international level.

If you're 30 in mls, you're playing meaningless football whether you're Jozy or Boyd to be clear.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #111
Sunday October 11, 2020 11:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Samtom23

Haha! I want MLS players to do well that doesn't mean I will select them over players that I feel are better. There is no lie in that whatsoever. But I would also mostly select a Euro based team with two to three exceptions. Am I lying when it was Morales that got ran past? Or was it a lie when Steffen passed the ball to Steffen in dangerous territory without noticing the defender? Or was it a lie that Boyd didn't mark his man that lead to an easy header. And don't worry, Bjelks, you destroy your own credibility on a consistent bases. Especially, when you start talking your bullshit theories about race and the selection process. Docile minorities? Really?


Your problem is you turn your want for mls players to succeed to lies about their ability and plain old willful ignorance about abroad players which is dangerous to your credibility or lack thereof.

It's very casual and amateur of you to think throwing a bunch of players on a field of different tactical understanding, technical ability, skill levels and Professional level and think that you can point out any mistake anyone makes and it makes you a Mourinho or Pep.

I said before and I'll say it again, until you put 11 top level players on the field together, you can't fairly criticize how they play with scrubs. When you take top level players and play then with mls or usl players they express the same frustrations.

You're such a bias fanboy that you can't even acknowledge the gap and difficulty between playing in mls and a top 5 league. So no, you don't have the credibility or even the basic understanding of the game to question me.

To say that there's no xenophobia, racial, domestic, social bias when it comes to access to the national team, you have to be a complete bigot or idiot. Either way, you think your privilege allows you to say whatever nonsensical bs that helps your agenda, but it won't, not on my watch clown.
goalsense
blaise213
Post #112
Monday October 12, 2020 3:11am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
yeah MLS has stayed mediocre for awhile. Not raising that DP cap has made the league stagnant.

Only worthy MLS players in national team discussion are:

() the dual national forward on Toronto
() Morris
() Aaronson but he still needs to develop
() Zardes I guess

BMD15
Boston
Post #113
Monday October 12, 2020 3:54am

Joined Oct 2015
Total Posts: 152
Original post from bjelks

Until you win a trophy at a global level, please keep your thoughts about how the rest of the world evaluates players to yourself.


Irony much?
NETID
Samtom23
Post #114
Monday October 12, 2020 6:09am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

Your problem is you turn your want for mls players to succeed to lies about their ability and plain old willful ignorance about abroad players which is dangerous to your credibility or lack thereof.

It's very casual and amateur of you to think throwing a bunch of players on a field of different tactical understanding, technical ability, skill levels and Professional level and think that you can point out any mistake anyone makes and it makes you a Mourinho or Pep.

I said before and I'll say it again, until you put 11 top level players on the field together, you can't fairly criticize how they play with scrubs. When you take top level players and play then with mls or usl players they express the same frustrations.

You're such a bias fanboy that you can't even acknowledge the gap and difficulty between playing in mls and a top 5 league. So no, you don't have the credibility or even the basic understanding of the game to question me.

To say that there's no xenophobia, racial, domestic, social bias when it comes to access to the national team, you have to be a complete bigot or idiot. Either way, you think your privilege allows you to say whatever nonsensical bs that helps your agenda, but it won't, not on my watch clown.


A mistake is a mistake and the video doesn't lie. Show me, where Mckennie (minority) didn't back pass to Steffen(minority). Boyd didn't mark his man and Morales (minority) didn't get ran past. Those are facts that you cannot dispute. You can have racist rhetoric all you want because it is racist. Doesn't change the fact that the Euro players you so root for had more direct negative impact (goals scored) on the last match-up with Mexico.

The fact that you call a minority a docile minority or some such nonsense doesn't change it either. Your own community members you are actively insulting because they grew up in USA and play soccer here.

By your argument, any minority is a docile robot because they didn't challenge themselves mentally to leave the country for work purposes. That's an interesting take on how you view your race that reside within US borders. Makes me wonder, how much self-reflection, you do on the subject?

Back when they had slavery, they counted slaves as 1/3 of a person for voting purposes. Those were white supremacist. It is interesting that you share some of view points as a white supremacist. For public relation purposes, they would love you at a KKK rally. Let's get this minority guy (Bjelks) to tell other minorities they are docile, robots because they didn't leave USA. I can see you chanting side by side along with your fellow compatriots in idealogy, "Go to Europe!" Afterwards, I can see you with those white supremacists sharing a beer and saying, "I love you, man. We think alike!"

And how about difficulty of leagues. Leagues are made up of individuals. Any individual can surprass the standard level of their league. You seem inherently incapable of grasping this very basic concept, so I will leave you with this.

Show me, where Mckennie (minority) didn't back pass to Steffen(minority). Boyd didn't mark his man and Morales (minority) didn't get ran past. Those are facts that you cannot dispute.

Samtom23
Post #115
Monday October 12, 2020 6:11am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from blaise213

yeah MLS has stayed mediocre for awhile. Not raising that DP cap has made the league stagnant.

Only worthy MLS players in national team discussion are:

() the dual national forward on Toronto
() Morris
() Aaronson but he still needs to develop
() Zardes I guess


I largely agree with this at the moment but that may change within the next year.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #116
Monday October 12, 2020 8:50am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from bjelks

I'm happy for those guys and proud of them, but it's painfully ignorant of you to be blind to the the classism and posturing in USSF.

Let me ask you this. How many people of color have had high ranking jobs in USSF or with the USMNT? You can say Earnie, but he's a tool and has no power.

Then look at the black kids in the USMNT and look at how many have 2 black parents and where they come from, not the same backgrounds as the nfl and nba.


As a mixed race person myself you really anger me sometimes. So a black person is not good enough if they don't have 2 black parents? They are not really black? There is no classism, that shit is all in your own head, You simply want to play the victim and play the race card.

Samtom23
Post #117
Monday October 12, 2020 9:22am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

I'm happy for those guys and proud of them, but it's painfully ignorant of you to be blind to the the classism and posturing in USSF.

Let me ask you this. How many people of color have had high ranking jobs in USSF or with the USMNT? You can say Earnie, but he's a tool and has no power.

Then look at the black kids in the USMNT and look at how many have 2 black parents and where they come from, not the same backgrounds as the nfl and nba.


High ranking job-that's easy-Sunil Gulati. He is minority in this country and he held the highest post and when he stepped down-Carlos Cordeiro but I guess they are not your kind of minority and I still say Ernie. The thought didn't even cross your head that a minorities have been leading for awhile. But I guess they are not your kind of minority so you cry racism and do not recognize your own racist idealogy.

hamsamwich
Post #118
Monday October 12, 2020 2:25pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,446
Charlie Kelman jumping up two ranks to the championship it's looking like. He's a good player and has a good future. The type of player who always used to be USMNT quality we may have surpassed his level.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #119
Monday October 12, 2020 3:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
Original post from Samtom23

High ranking job-that's easy-Sunil Gulati. He is minority in this country and he held the highest post and when he stepped down-Carlos Cordeiro but I guess they are not your kind of minority and I still say Ernie. The thought didn't even cross your head that a minorities have been leading for awhile. But I guess they are not your kind of minority so you cry racism and do not recognize your own racist idealogy.


Lol. You just crushed him.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #120
Monday October 12, 2020 6:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
I think the Keenan move to QPR is a very good move for him. He is young and has a lot of potential. He can prove his talent in the Championship for a few years and then try to move to the Prem. The U20's have some very good prospects at the striker position.

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