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bjelks
Post #91
Friday October 9, 2020 4:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Kamphgruppe

So what accommodations are being made for Morris? We have always played the strikers and wingers who are playing regularly and scoring goals. You named some guys and I appreciate that someone is training for X Euro team. Riding the bench and getting 2 min at the end of a few games is a whole different animal than starting for a team and being one of the league leaders in goals. I am very excited for our young prospects, but why play some guy because he may be able to score goals when we have a guy who has proven that he can score goals.


When your level is multiple tiers below your counterparts, your goals don't mean shit

When the level steps up, the game is faster, the defending is better, the windows for scoring are tighter

How does everyone in the world know this but Americans?
It's a joke

Wgaf what we've always done? It means nothing. We haven't won shit and our fed is amongst the most corrupt in the world when it comes to selection.
If we keep failing with this strategy of picking mls top scorers, why not change it?

There are countless examples of top mls scorers with no abroad experience being unfit for the intl game, Wondo, Zardes, Washed Jozy, Alan Gordon, none of them have had any use at the intl level.

This is all obvious but you insist to willfully ignore, bc US soccer is about politics not football.
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Samtom23
Post #92
Friday October 9, 2020 4:59pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

When your level is multiple tiers below your counterparts, your goals don't mean shit

When the level steps up, the game is faster, the defending is better, the windows for scoring are tighter

How does everyone in the world know this but Americans?
It's a joke

Wgaf what we've always done? It means nothing. We haven't won shit and our fed is amongst the most corrupt in the world when it comes to selection.
If we keep failing with this strategy of picking mls top scorers, why not change it?

There are countless examples of top mls scorers with no abroad experience being unfit for the intl game, Wondo, Zardes, Washed Jozy, Alan Gordon, none of them have had any use at the intl level.

This is all obvious but you insist to willfully ignore, bc US soccer is about politics not football.


There are no stand out forwards internationally or domestically, no one has stepped up and made a claim to it.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #93
Friday October 9, 2020 6:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from bjelks

When your level is multiple tiers below your counterparts, your goals don't mean shit

When the level steps up, the game is faster, the defending is better, the windows for scoring are tighter

How does everyone in the world know this but Americans?
It's a joke

Wgaf what we've always done? It means nothing. We haven't won shit and our fed is amongst the most corrupt in the world when it comes to selection.
If we keep failing with this strategy of picking mls top scorers, why not change it?

There are countless examples of top mls scorers with no abroad experience being unfit for the intl game, Wondo, Zardes, Washed Jozy, Alan Gordon, none of them have had any use at the intl level.

This is all obvious but you insist to willfully ignore, bc US soccer is about politics not football.


I have no problem with guys at a higher level being our starters for the nats as long as they are playing and scoring goals. You always want benchwarmers or brand new players to be our starters. Playing a zillion levels above and sitting the bench ain't shit,!
How can YOU not know this.
As far as an MLS bias goes, I have never disagreed with you that an MLS bias exist but it certainly isn't to the extent that you pretend. I remember when you claimed that US soccer federation had a bias towards minorities when most of the team was made up of minorities. I also think it's funny that you always bring up guys like wondo who had the infamous "miss" but never bring up successful MLS players like Donovan who has the most goals ever for the nats.

blaise213
Post #94
Friday October 9, 2020 7:45pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
Damn Malik Tillman tore his ACL

cudevil
Post #95
Friday October 9, 2020 8:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
Original post from bjelks

The problem is you're betting based on being a fan and not any objective factual evidence.
I've listed evidence of all those guys either catching International level players from behind or running past international level players face to face.

Believe what you want, doesn't make it anymore credible.
Ppl make lots of money in football bc of their ability to play football not because they can follow instructions lol, bc that's the bare minimum. But hey you like his background and looks so you hype him up.

Why don't you just call Morris the best American ever due to his goals against Cuba and Canada?
Is there any limit to the amount of fanboying you're willing to do for the great hope?

There's no ripping of Cannon, you and your mlsluminati called Cannon a Bundesliga player and he's nowhere close. This is a fact.


I have eyes. I can see who is fast and who isn't. Morris is fast. End of. Legitimately, objectively so.

And the idea that a coach says "Run there" and the player says "Sure thing, gaffer" is just a clown take.

So what happens if Cannon ends up at Lille in a year? Dude is 22 or whatever and playing a league generally considered to be one of the top 10 in Europe, and you are ripping him because you can't see past your overt anti-MLS bias.

hamsamwich
Post #96
Saturday October 10, 2020 1:22am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,446
I think the jury is out on all players at all times in any league. People fall off even at the top level. Morris still has a lot to prove and seems hungry to show he's past his injuries. It's not just Canada and Cuba, pre injury Morris looked good as a youngster against Holland and Germany. He's a smart player- and I can't belive it's even in question- very fast. His speed running and his speed mentally to see the play are international quality. It's the rest of his game is in question until he plays against better defenders. Otherwise he's fine for concacaf qualifying- Morris will help get us to the World Cup even if he may not be good enough to show it at the actual World Cup.

Dave
Post #97
Saturday October 10, 2020 3:43am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Reports saying Jozy has suffered another hamstring injury and will be sidelined 4-5 weeks. Continued proof that he cannot be counted on for the USMNT and should not be in the picture except as an emergency.
1) Sargent
2) Morris
3) Zardes/Soto/Jozy
4) Rest of the fringe strikers....Novak, Gioacchini, etc...

bjelks
Post #98
Saturday October 10, 2020 11:32am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I have no problem with guys at a higher level being our starters for the nats as long as they are playing and scoring goals. You always want benchwarmers or brand new players to be our starters. Playing a zillion levels above and sitting the bench ain't shit,!
How can YOU not know this.
As far as an MLS bias goes, I have never disagreed with you that an MLS bias exist but it certainly isn't to the extent that you pretend. I remember when you claimed that US soccer federation had a bias towards minorities when most of the team was made up of minorities. I also think it's funny that you always bring up guys like wondo who had the infamous "miss" but never bring up successful MLS players like Donovan who has the most goals ever for the nats.


Lol if you don't understand the difference between Playing in the Bundesliga or EPL and MLS, you're either a full blown fanboy or don't understand football at all?

Like I said if level doesn't matter, we should be picking top scorers from the park

Lol it's completely ignorant of you not to understand that the minorities that are picked for the USMNT are docile, middle class or higher, and are robots used as pawns. Not reflective of diversity and inclusion

It's like Trump kissing a black baby, saying I love blacks, what you're doing is kissing black and Mexican babies, saying I love blacks and Mexicans lol

It kills me that ppl say willfully and ignorant shit like Donovan the mls success story who played for Bayern Munich, Leverkuesen and was proven at Everton lol, like it kills me
goalsense
bjelks
Post #99
Saturday October 10, 2020 11:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from cudevil

I have eyes. I can see who is fast and who isn't. Morris is fast. End of. Legitimately, objectively so.

And the idea that a coach says "Run there" and the player says "Sure thing, gaffer" is just a clown take.

So what happens if Cannon ends up at Lille in a year? Dude is 22 or whatever and playing a league generally considered to be one of the top 10 in Europe, and you are ripping him because you can't see past your overt anti-MLS bias.


Your eyes have implicit bias. You can't tell me one "fast" person Morris has beat in a foot race, which is the funny part lol.
We've all seen Pulisic run past Mendy who is a world class sprinter. Big difference.

Are you telling me that I should be impressed by a professional forward knowing where to run on a football field lol??? I know where to run on the field and I'm on the couch.
I much rather you tell me how well Morris walks and chews gum at the same time.

What happens if Morris goes to Manchester United? What happens if Aaron Long moves to Inter Milan? What happens if Jozy moves to Barca? I could do this all day lol.
You only give what if scenarios to your favorite mls players. Whenever it comes to young players or duals, the goalposts are always pushed back.
Richards started a game for BM, but has he started 30 and went 90 and held 20 clean sheets lol?

Konrad isn't starting for Barca, but he's on their bench, but Arriola has heart lol.
Richie was called into PSV's 1st team before his Covid test, look how hard Lletget tried against Canada lol.
Anyway, you get the picture.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #100
Saturday October 10, 2020 12:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from hamsamwich

I think the jury is out on all players at all times in any league. People fall off even at the top level. Morris still has a lot to prove and seems hungry to show he's past his injuries. It's not just Canada and Cuba, pre injury Morris looked good as a youngster against Holland and Germany. He's a smart player- and I can't belive it's even in question- very fast. His speed running and his speed mentally to see the play are international quality. It's the rest of his game is in question until he plays against better defenders. Otherwise he's fine for concacaf qualifying- Morris will help get us to the World Cup even if he may not be good enough to show it at the actual World Cup.


Sure the jury is out for all players at all levels, but to compare performances in MLS to top 5 leagues is more than silly.

If I said compare USL 2 to MLS performances, I'd get crucified but it's logical to you to say compare MLS performances to EPL or Bundesliga or Serie A or La Liga?
Make it make sense for me.
How can a player that's spent his whole career at a 3rd tier league be hungry? Like how?

Ive seen the Germany and Holland games, and I don't remember him standing out but you're entitled to your opinion. I remember vividly the Canada and Mexico games and he sucked.
He couldn't mentally or physically do the job.

Again you're entitled to your opinion about his speed, but there's no evidence of him running past legit fast ppl head on and you saying a player that plays in a very slow paced league thinks fast, that doesn't add up.

Listen, I could get us past concacaf qualifying. That's not an achievement. Why do you not want to have a discussion about who can make a difference in a WC Ko round game against Brazil, Germany, England, France?

That's the level our top players are at, Morris is linked to Preston North End, there's a big difference between PNE and our top players
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #101
Saturday October 10, 2020 4:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from bjelks

Lol if you don't understand the difference between Playing in the Bundesliga or EPL and MLS, you're either a full blown fanboy or don't understand football at all?


I do understand the difference without difficulty. You are the delusional person here. You have an anti MLS agenda. You will go so far as to tout guys from lesser leagues just because they play in Europe. I have never had a problem saying the MLS is far inferior to either of the league you posted above. I am saying a guy that gets five 10 minute appearances in a year should not be starting over the guys who scores 20 goals, no matter what league.

Landon Donovan was not successful in Germany, he barely played and ultimately came back the the US. He spell at Everton was two 2 month loans. Vastly different than a full EPL season. The point I made was he played almost his entire career in MLS and still was one of our best national team players.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #102
Saturday October 10, 2020 4:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from bjelks

Lol it's completely ignorant of you not to understand that the minorities that are picked for the USMNT are docile, middle class or higher, and are robots used as pawns. Not reflective of diversity and inclusion



So your saying that the black and Hispanic players on our team were not picked for their playing skills but because they are docile and middle class. I bet if you said that shit to their faces they would kick your ass.

This is the paranoid and delusional thinking that I was referring to. I would love to know who is behind the master plan to pick these Cow like players that apparently and not inclusive in American society.

Sorry boys, I know that out team is 2/3 minorities but you guys were all hand picked by whitey so your not real minorities at all.

Samtom23
Post #103
Sunday October 11, 2020 3:38am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

Sure the jury is out for all players at all levels, but to compare performances in MLS to top 5 leagues is more than silly.

If I said compare USL 2 to MLS performances, I'd get crucified but it's logical to you to say compare MLS performances to EPL or Bundesliga or Serie A or La Liga?
Make it make sense for me.
How can a player that's spent his whole career at a 3rd tier league be hungry? Like how?

Ive seen the Germany and Holland games, and I don't remember him standing out but you're entitled to your opinion. I remember vividly the Canada and Mexico games and he sucked.
He couldn't mentally or physically do the job.

Again you're entitled to your opinion about his speed, but there's no evidence of him running past legit fast ppl head on and you saying a player that plays in a very slow paced league thinks fast, that doesn't add up.

Listen, I could get us past concacaf qualifying. That's not an achievement. Why do you not want to have a discussion about who can make a difference in a WC Ko round game against Brazil, Germany, England, France?

That's the level our top players are at, Morris is linked to Preston North End, there's a big difference between PNE and our top players


I broke down the Mexico game for you. Regarding Morris, he came in and gave the team life. And he clearly aided something to the game and that was without Dest. And in the Mexico game, Morales got ran past. Mckennie backed past to Steffen dangerously and Boyd didn't mark his man. Morris did have a weak effort with his left foot but he did draw a penalty that Sargent missed. I would say watch the game again because he clearly held his own.

blaise213
Post #104
Sunday October 11, 2020 4:15am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
Original post from Samtom23

I broke down the Mexico game for you. Regarding Morris, he came in and gave the team life. And he clearly aided something to the game and that was without Dest. And in the Mexico game, Morales got ran past. Mckennie backed past to Steffen dangerously and Boyd didn't mark his man. Morris did have a weak effort with his left foot but he did draw a penalty that Sargent missed. I would say watch the game again because he clearly held his own.


Been so long I don't even remember that game

bjelks
Post #105
Sunday October 11, 2020 11:37am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,753
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I do understand the difference without difficulty. You are the delusional person here. You have an anti MLS agenda. You will go so far as to tout guys from lesser leagues just because they play in Europe. I have never had a problem saying the MLS is far inferior to either of the league you posted above. I am saying a guy that gets five 10 minute appearances in a year should not be starting over the guys who scores 20 goals, no matter what league.

Landon Donovan was not successful in Germany, he barely played and ultimately came back the the US. He spell at Everton was two 2 month loans. Vastly different than a full EPL season. The point I made was he played almost his entire career in MLS and still was one of our best national team players.


How come every time someone says that mls isn't the best league in the world or close to it they have an anti mls agenda lol?
This is a fact and it will never change.
If you want to make blanket accusations about lesser leagues, you can do what you want but it doesn't make it not a lie.
I'm saying because you Clearly don't understand the difference in level and what it takes to make the first team in those big leagues, I can't and don't respect your opinion.
Mainly it's rooted in bias to hype your domestic league which you can't accept is inferior.

I ask you, if league doesn't matter why not call top Players in park leagues?
You have no response bc it makes your whole argument look stupid.

I'm not going to let you dismiss Landon having 3 loan stints and playing games at very big clubs in big leagues. Again, I don't think you understand the difference in leagues and how hard it is to even make the bench for those clubs. You believe that the more games you play no matter the level the better you are and I think that's the dumbest shit ever.
Ppl outside of America would agree, good luck with that theory.
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