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Lilshmike
Post #31
Thursday October 8, 2020 6:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from stoked-3

I think we should focus on 2022 for some reason some on here are lowering the bar but lets look at our possible starting 11 by club

--Werder
-Dortumnd

Chelsea - Juve -Lille

-RB Leip -

Fulham -Wolfsburg-Bayern-Barcelona

-Manchester City-

Bench
Furth, Derby, Heerenveen, PSV, Wien, Hammarby

The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and the y are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams.

So as fans and as a team we should be setting a high stand for this WC. And then yes in theory 2026 should be even better when these kids are more seasoned and hitting their prime and the even younger kids break through with their clubs.

The national team coach is part scout, part manager, part gm, part tactician. So GB needs to find guys that can play at the Int team level, then create a system around those guys.

If we are looking at 2026 he needs to do what DS did and experiment with a couple fringe guys every camp; try to find out if someone like Uly can produce 2 games in a row, or see if Ledezma Mendez goster Hoppe Sabi etc can hang at this level or show enough promise to hang at this level in the next cycle to give them some experience now.

But I say lets focus on this WC I think we have the talent to get out of the group and win a game..
Sounds great in theory, but with the guys you put out, here is the reality:

Werder - Sargent - still inexperienced at both the international level and club level... had a sub-par first year in the Bundesliga and has lots of room for growth.
Dortumnd - Reyna - has zero senior international experience and less than a year of club experience, so still highly inexperienced there as well. Future is bright though as he seems to be an impact player for club at a young age.
Chelsea - Pulisic - no need to comment. Our best player.
Juve - McKennie - still fairly inexperienced at the international level. Has done well at his previous club... but after a move to Juve, the verdict is still out on his place in that team. For the US though, he should be a consistent name, but he is undeniably still inexperienced at the international level.
Lille - Weah - has had 18 months of injuries and non-playing. He is both wildly inexperienced at club and country. He has potential, but no claims can be made on the guy until he gets playing time and stays healthy. Regardless, its undeniable that he is inexperienced for club and country. one to look for in the future, but as of right now hes not a lock for anything.
RB Leip - Adams - Decent club experience thus far. International experience is very low due to injuries over the last year or so. He should be an automatic pick for us, but he is still undeniably inexperienced in the international game.
Fulham - Robinson - His experience comes in the Championship, so hes not playing world beaters ever week... at least not yet. He just got a transfer to Fulham, the absolute worst team in the Premier league, and he has very limited minutes to date. One to look for and grow... but right now he is inexperienced against top level competition. Not only that, but its undeniable that he is inexperienced in the international game. And his only appearances for our national team to date were suspect. He still has growing.
Wolfsburg - Brooks - Arguably the best CB the national team has ever had. Experienced. Enough said.
Bayern - Richards - Only this season has started to get some first team time. He is one to look for and can develop to be a great partner for Brooks. That being said, its undeniable that his club experience is extremely low, and his international experience is non existent. Need patience with this one, but the ceiling is high.
Barcelona - Dest - Only just transferred to Barcelona.... so the verdict is out on whether he is going to be a starter or a sub/bench option for them. Based on his club experience for Ajax, hes done well, but he is still relatively inexperienced at club. Eredivisie to La Liga is a big jump, so another one we need to keep an eye on, but he should be included in any 23 man roster and likely push for a starting spot. That all being said, his senior international experience is very low, so he is undeniably inexperienced in the international game as of now.
Manchester City - Steffen - a backup for a good club. We are lacking in options right now at GK with guys playing consistently at top clubs... which he is not playing consistently. A cup game here and there is no substitute for being an every week starter. With the rest of our goalies in the pool, he is (outside of Guzan) arguably one of the more/most experienced. He still has developing to do, so one to look out for, but still relatively inexperienced internationally and has a bit more to do with club.

Bench
Furth - Green - Playing at the same level as MLS. Has definite international experience... but he isn't playing against the best in the world on a weekly basis.
Derby - Holmes - Championship player, had a good run of form last year, but seems to have moved to a bench option currently. Not playing against world beaters every week. Undeniably inexperienced at the international level.
Heerenveen - Llanez - hasn't even broken into the senior team for his parent club. Has been a youth player thus far. He is on loan at the moment in Holland. He is undeniably inexperienced at both club and country. This is not a debate. That being said, he seems to have good potential, but he needs to prove it during this loan stint.
PSV - Ledezma - Same as Llanez. He has no senior club or international experience. He has been a youth player to date. He has more growing to do.
Wien - EPB - playing at a level similar to MLS. Has no real international experience and he isn't playing against the best in the world every week. One to look out for, but hes not a highly experienced guy at club yet, and is undeniably inexperienced at the international level.
Hammarby - Johannsson - Playing at a level below MLS. Has been perpetually injured the last 5 years with limited playing time. He is experienced at the club level due to the number of clubs he has played for, how long he has played, etc. and he has been to a WC so he is experienced at the international level... but it must be noted that he hasn't been in the national team for 5+ years. He isn't playing against the best in the world on a weekly basis.

You made the following statement:
"The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and they are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams."

When you actually look at all of the people you put up there, that statement doesn't exactly hold up. Listing off the club teams that guys play for sounds and looks nice, but when put in context, we still have some growing to do.

We are a young, relatively inexperienced team that will need to use this upcoming cycle to gain the experience necessary to have a strong run in 2026. But for 2022, we are still going to be a young, inexperienced team.

Lilshmike
Post #32
Thursday October 8, 2020 6:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Jesse Marsch and Steve Cherundolo I would imagine may be guys that the USSF would be looking at for the 2026 job.

Marsch has already stated he would love to manage the USMNT on home soil for the 2026 WC. I think he would be a great guy to lead us.

If we have a strong run in 2022, I can see it being possible that the USMNT keeps Berhalter at the helm. I don't want that, but I can see it happening.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #33
Thursday October 8, 2020 10:23pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from Lilshmike

Jesse Marsch and Steve Cherundolo I would imagine may be guys that the USSF would be looking at for the 2026 job.

Marsch has already stated he would love to manage the USMNT on home soil for the 2026 WC. I think he would be a great guy to lead us.

If we have a strong run in 2022, I can see it being possible that the USMNT keeps Berhalter at the helm. I don't want that, but I can see it happening.


I was against the Berhalter hiring but if they preform then why not. I am waiting to see how we play with the Euro based team in November. I know a lot of teams get a new manager every 4 years, Germany is one national team that hangs on for multiple cycles and there are others. I wonder if anyone has ever tracked the stats on which method is the most successful. I know our country in particular has not had great success with keeping a manager 2 cycles.

stoked-3
Post #34
Thursday October 8, 2020 11:12pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 97
Original post from Lilshmike

Sounds great in theory, but with the guys you put out, here is the reality:

Werder - Sargent - still inexperienced at both the international level and club level... had a sub-par first year in the Bundesliga and has lots of room for growth.
Dortumnd - Reyna - has zero senior international experience and less than a year of club experience, so still highly inexperienced there as well. Future is bright though as he seems to be an impact player for club at a young age.
Chelsea - Pulisic - no need to comment. Our best player.
Juve - McKennie - still fairly inexperienced at the international level. Has done well at his previous club... but after a move to Juve, the verdict is still out on his place in that team. For the US though, he should be a consistent name, but he is undeniably still inexperienced at the international level.
Lille - Weah - has had 18 months of injuries and non-playing. He is both wildly inexperienced at club and country. He has potential, but no claims can be made on the guy until he gets playing time and stays healthy. Regardless, its undeniable that he is inexperienced for club and country. one to look for in the future, but as of right now hes not a lock for anything.
RB Leip - Adams - Decent club experience thus far. International experience is very low due to injuries over the last year or so. He should be an automatic pick for us, but he is still undeniably inexperienced in the international game.
Fulham - Robinson - His experience comes in the Championship, so hes not playing world beaters ever week... at least not yet. He just got a transfer to Fulham, the absolute worst team in the Premier league, and he has very limited minutes to date. One to look for and grow... but right now he is inexperienced against top level competition. Not only that, but its undeniable that he is inexperienced in the international game. And his only appearances for our national team to date were suspect. He still has growing.
Wolfsburg - Brooks - Arguably the best CB the national team has ever had. Experienced. Enough said.
Bayern - Richards - Only this season has started to get some first team time. He is one to look for and can develop to be a great partner for Brooks. That being said, its undeniable that his club experience is extremely low, and his international experience is non existent. Need patience with this one, but the ceiling is high.
Barcelona - Dest - Only just transferred to Barcelona.... so the verdict is out on whether he is going to be a starter or a sub/bench option for them. Based on his club experience for Ajax, hes done well, but he is still relatively inexperienced at club. Eredivisie to La Liga is a big jump, so another one we need to keep an eye on, but he should be included in any 23 man roster and likely push for a starting spot. That all being said, his senior international experience is very low, so he is undeniably inexperienced in the international game as of now.
Manchester City - Steffen - a backup for a good club. We are lacking in options right now at GK with guys playing consistently at top clubs... which he is not playing consistently. A cup game here and there is no substitute for being an every week starter. With the rest of our goalies in the pool, he is (outside of Guzan) arguably one of the more/most experienced. He still has developing to do, so one to look out for, but still relatively inexperienced internationally and has a bit more to do with club.

Bench
Furth - Green - Playing at the same level as MLS. Has definite international experience... but he isn't playing against the best in the world on a weekly basis.
Derby - Holmes - Championship player, had a good run of form last year, but seems to have moved to a bench option currently. Not playing against world beaters every week. Undeniably inexperienced at the international level.
Heerenveen - Llanez - hasn't even broken into the senior team for his parent club. Has been a youth player thus far. He is on loan at the moment in Holland. He is undeniably inexperienced at both club and country. This is not a debate. That being said, he seems to have good potential, but he needs to prove it during this loan stint.
PSV - Ledezma - Same as Llanez. He has no senior club or international experience. He has been a youth player to date. He has more growing to do.
Wien - EPB - playing at a level similar to MLS. Has no real international experience and he isn't playing against the best in the world every week. One to look out for, but hes not a highly experienced guy at club yet, and is undeniably inexperienced at the international level.
Hammarby - Johannsson - Playing at a level below MLS. Has been perpetually injured the last 5 years with limited playing time. He is experienced at the club level due to the number of clubs he has played for, how long he has played, etc. and he has been to a WC so he is experienced at the international level... but it must be noted that he hasn't been in the national team for 5+ years. He isn't playing against the best in the world on a weekly basis.

You made the following statement:
"The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and they are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams."

When you actually look at all of the people you put up there, that statement doesn't exactly hold up. Listing off the club teams that guys play for sounds and looks nice, but when put in context, we still have some growing to do.

We are a young, relatively inexperienced team that will need to use this upcoming cycle to gain the experience necessary to have a strong run in 2026. But for 2022, we are still going to be a young, inexperienced team.


I think you have a problem with the messenger and not the message. what are you talking about, I mean really what are you talking about, really what are you talking about -LOL

I still cant figure it out, but dollars to donuts, you are related to either Berhalter or Don Garber.

I am sorry but I have more faith in our players than you do. I also recognize talent, skill and potential. Int experience is important but not the end all.

For always pointing to people's comprehension your comprehension is not that great. My point is international experience does not trump skill/talent.

Example: Green, who you poo poo , played in, what the 5th division Germany? Wondo had tons of experience and was USA leading scorer in MLS. Wondo blew it, Green came in and scored a gem-no exp on the Int level and actually very little exp on the club level and yet he scored in the WC against a great team so..........does experience help, you bet, but I will take someone who has talent/skill over experience with lesser talent/skill. Green would not have made a team coached by you: Zardes and Wondo would-Green scored Wondo whiffed. You have to identify based on skill.

Reyna: Who cares if he has no int exp he set the bar high based upon his play-have you watched him play the kid is pure class. You do know he is 17 and bossing games 17!!. Zardes couldnt even sit in the stands for Dortmund and this kid is dominating games-the fact that he has no full Int exp doesnt mean much to me when your playing at a level he currently is.

Adams: decent club history? Decent?? laughable I know he is not playing as much as trapp/J.Yeiull but you do realize he played and scored in a huge Champions League game-he is recognized by the club as a key play even the quarterback of the team thats good enough for me.

Robinson: if you want to downplay his team from last yr fine, but note he was usually in the team of the week while playing in the championship and was on the move to Milan. repeat AC Milan wanted him. He did great in his first start for Fulham wasnt out of place at all. Again, who are we comparing him too? Sweat or Lovitt? come on

Dest: Do you understand that Barca scouts wanted him so did Bayern based on what they saw from him-the kid came into a Barca A game with 3 days of practice, played out of normal position and did great? I think we can plug him in over Lima, Cannon,

Steffan: is a back up for a big club: hahah one of the biggest in the World again he is not playing for the DC or Atlanta United come on why downplay where he plays

Im not going to go through them all since you clearly didnt understand what I was saying. But it was a great analysis of trying to prove what exactly, why we shouldnt do good this cycle? That mentality is the opposite of what our program needs. set the bar high.

Scouts and coaches at top clubs around the world, rate our guys--The players are setting the bar high with their play, not us on a forum wishing they play good. we have good players, young players, yes inexp players-I expect us to get out of the group and win a game.

I Remember England and France had young teams and england was that exp but they both did pretty well.

Lilshmike
Post #35
Friday October 9, 2020 1:32am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from stoked-3

I think you have a problem with the messenger and not the message. what are you talking about, I mean really what are you talking about, really what are you talking about -LOL

I still cant figure it out, but dollars to donuts, you are related to either Berhalter or Don Garber.

I am sorry but I have more faith in our players than you do. I also recognize talent, skill and potential. Int experience is important but not the end all.

For always pointing to people's comprehension your comprehension is not that great. My point is international experience does not trump skill/talent.

Example: Green, who you poo poo , played in, what the 5th division Germany? Wondo had tons of experience and was USA leading scorer in MLS. Wondo blew it, Green came in and scored a gem-no exp on the Int level and actually very little exp on the club level and yet he scored in the WC against a great team so..........does experience help, you bet, but I will take someone who has talent/skill over experience with lesser talent/skill. Green would not have made a team coached by you: Zardes and Wondo would-Green scored Wondo whiffed. You have to identify based on skill.

Reyna: Who cares if he has no int exp he set the bar high based upon his play-have you watched him play the kid is pure class. You do know he is 17 and bossing games 17!!. Zardes couldnt even sit in the stands for Dortmund and this kid is dominating games-the fact that he has no full Int exp doesnt mean much to me when your playing at a level he currently is.

Adams: decent club history? Decent?? laughable I know he is not playing as much as trapp/J.Yeiull but you do realize he played and scored in a huge Champions League game-he is recognized by the club as a key play even the quarterback of the team thats good enough for me.

Robinson: if you want to downplay his team from last yr fine, but note he was usually in the team of the week while playing in the championship and was on the move to Milan. repeat AC Milan wanted him. He did great in his first start for Fulham wasnt out of place at all. Again, who are we comparing him too? Sweat or Lovitt? come on

Dest: Do you understand that Barca scouts wanted him so did Bayern based on what they saw from him-the kid came into a Barca A game with 3 days of practice, played out of normal position and did great? I think we can plug him in over Lima, Cannon,

Steffan: is a back up for a big club: hahah one of the biggest in the World again he is not playing for the DC or Atlanta United come on why downplay where he plays

Im not going to go through them all since you clearly didnt understand what I was saying. But it was a great analysis of trying to prove what exactly, why we shouldnt do good this cycle? That mentality is the opposite of what our program needs. set the bar high.

Scouts and coaches at top clubs around the world, rate our guys-The players are setting the bar high with their play, not us on a forum wishing they play good. we have good players, young players, yes inexp players-I expect us to get out of the group and win a game.

I Remember England and France had young teams and england was that exp but they both did pretty well.
Again, you made the following statement:
"The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and they are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams."

You then literally followed it up by listing off a bunch of guys, the vast majority of who are/have been youth players to date, backups or have seen significant time on the bench due to injuries, or aren't/haven't been playing and leading their teams against the best talent in the world.

I'm calling out that statement and the guys you listed. And when all of those guys are looked at in context, club name aside, your statement is inaccurate.

I can't take credit for the following, I read someone post this somewhere else, but a lot of US fans are like the fans from lower level SEC schools when they get a good recruiting class. Arkansas may get a good recruiting class every once in a while, but there is a major difference between being a highly touted high school recruit and becoming one of the top players in the nation. Fans get excited and talk smack, but having a good recruiting class doesn't necessarily translate to being a good team and challenging to win the SEC.

This is how you and a lot of others are acting. Good recruiting class = good team that should win... completely neglecting that these guys still need to develop and a number of those guys may very well not pan out.

The future is bright, but right now they still need time to develop.

Dave
Post #36
Friday October 9, 2020 1:57am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I was against the Berhalter hiring but if they preform then why not. I am waiting to see how we play with the Euro based team in November. I know a lot of teams get a new manager every 4 years, Germany is one national team that hangs on for multiple cycles and there are others. I wonder if anyone has ever tracked the stats on which method is the most successful. I know our country in particular has not had great success with keeping a manager 2 cycles.


In my Opinion there are various reasons why some countries hold onto coaches for more than a single cycle...
1) There isn't much interest/desire from coach candidates in the position, so federations hold onto a coach that they have. This is most common for nations that are small and have a difficult time trying to qualify. An example in CONCACAF would be El Salvador or Bahamas, etc....
2) A coach has been extremely successful....Low for Germany has finished no worse than 3rd in the ERUO's since being named manager. And in the WC finished 3rd, Won, and a group stage exit. Spain Won Back to Back Euro's & a WC under the same manager. Arena was awarded a 2nd Cycle because his 2002 team over achieved at the WC.
3) A manager was hired to build/rebuild a program (Project). This is usually a big name coach who's taken on a major project. Think Qatar...never made it to a WC but were awarded the hosting for 2022. They hired a coach and gave him massive control to build a player pool so they can hopefully make a decent showing as a host nation.
4) A lazy federation who just doesn't want to spend the time or energy in evaluating/interviewing new coaching candidates.
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With our up and coming prospects/player pool and the resources available the USMNT Manager is a desirable coaching position. We're going to be co-host nation for 2026 which adds to the appeal for coaching candidates.
The federation was lazy in hiring Gregg....they imparted dumb ass requirements to prop up their selection, and while it was a rebuilding cycle Gregg is not what I'd call a "Big Name" hire. He was a hire that they (USSF) would control and go along with Ernie's design....and not challenge the upper leadership of USSF.
After the average performances to date, the questionable roster/player selections, and the improved quality of our player pool/prospects...the Fans & Players both deserve a better coach after 2022.

Know Nothing
Post #37
Friday October 9, 2020 3:11pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
Original post from Lilshmike

Again, you made the following statement:
"The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and they are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams."

You then literally followed it up by listing off a bunch of guys, the vast majority of who are/have been youth players to date, backups or have seen significant time on the bench due to injuries, or aren't/haven't been playing and leading their teams against the best talent in the world.

I'm calling out that statement and the guys you listed. And when all of those guys are looked at in context, club name aside, your statement is inaccurate.



To save you the trouble, I will say there is nothing inaccurate about your statement that who are/have been youth players to date . But that statement also applies to EVERY player that has ever played the game.

Maybe Stoked is guilty of a little hyperbole when he says they are leading their teams, but the tenet of his argument is a strong one imo...we have guys that are valued by big clubs overseas, players playing well and getting noticed. They have very high ceilings for where their talent may go. Why wait for them to be the finished article when their talent has already surpassed others that have developed into "solid professionals"?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #38
Friday October 9, 2020 6:31pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,050
Original post from Dave

In my Opinion there are various reasons why some countries hold onto coaches for more than a single cycle...
1) There isn't much interest/desire from coach candidates in the position, so federations hold onto a coach that they have. This is most common for nations that are small and have a difficult time trying to qualify. An example in CONCACAF would be El Salvador or Bahamas, etc....
2) A coach has been extremely successful....Low for Germany has finished no worse than 3rd in the ERUO's since being named manager. And in the WC finished 3rd, Won, and a group stage exit. Spain Won Back to Back Euro's & a WC under the same manager. Arena was awarded a 2nd Cycle because his 2002 team over achieved at the WC.
3) A manager was hired to build/rebuild a program (Project). This is usually a big name coach who's taken on a major project. Think Qatar...never made it to a WC but were awarded the hosting for 2022. They hired a coach and gave him massive control to build a player pool so they can hopefully make a decent showing as a host nation.
4) A lazy federation who just doesn't want to spend the time or energy in evaluating/interviewing new coaching candidates.
-
With our up and coming prospects/player pool and the resources available the USMNT Manager is a desirable coaching position. We're going to be co-host nation for 2026 which adds to the appeal for coaching candidates.
The federation was lazy in hiring Gregg....they imparted dumb ass requirements to prop up their selection, and while it was a rebuilding cycle Gregg is not what I'd call a "Big Name" hire. He was a hire that they (USSF) would control and go along with Ernie's design....and not challenge the upper leadership of USSF.
After the average performances to date, the questionable roster/player selections, and the improved quality of our player pool/prospects...the Fans & Players both deserve a better coach after 2022.


Nice post.
Berhalter was a good old boy hire. They all played together and they have faith in him. (I wish I did) I also do think there is an MLS bias and GB has shown that he is willing to push that agenda to a certain extent. So much of it has been beyond his control with the pandemic etc. that it is hard to tell with 100% certainty but that is my personal opinion. I don't see him getting dropped if we make the round of 16 at the WC.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #39
Friday October 9, 2020 9:00pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,546
6 years is a long ways away...US will pull out all the stops for 2026.

I'm still going with Pep to take on the intriguing challenge of coaching a young but talented US side on home soil.

Know Nothing
Post #40
Friday October 9, 2020 9:22pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

Jesse Marsch and Steve Cherundolo I would imagine may be guys that the USSF would be looking at for the 2026 job.

Marsch has already stated he would love to manage the USMNT on home soil for the 2026 WC. I think he would be a great guy to lead us.

If we have a strong run in 2022, I can see it being possible that the USMNT keeps Berhalter at the helm. I don't want that, but I can see it happening.


I would be happy with either, but if I could have things my way I would try and hire Marsch as Head Coach and Cherundulo in the Earnie Stewart role.

Marsch would in all likelihood have the backing of the MLS whereas Cherundulo would have the overseas credibility.

blaise213
Post #41
Saturday October 10, 2020 12:49am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
Shit Id take a new coach now. Too bad US Soccer doesn't have the funds to pay, the federation is in a major deficit

Dave
Post #42
Saturday October 10, 2020 4:14am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Blaise - Every federation is hurting financially, not just the US. We're still far and away in a better position than most of CONCACAF & African Federations.

Know Nothing - I could see Marsch as a successor to Gregg, but I hope the federation does a proper search & interview process this time instead of just giving it to one of their buddies. I don't expect Dolo back in the USSF structure anytime soon. He's currently a German youth coach (U-15s I think). I expect him to work up their chain for a few years and then either get a Club Manager roll or flip over and coach one of the US Teams at a higher age bracket.

bassplayer - I don't think USSF would give Pep or any major name coach the control that they'd want. I expect we'll have to rely hang our hopes on someone a less confrontational/powerful. I'm thinking that someone like Martinez would be the class of coach we could reliable target & attract.

Kamphgruppe - My worry is that regardless of Gregg's faults/issues he'll get a pass on the USMNT's performance this cycle due to his Late hire and now limited camps because of Covid. The longer we go without playing games...the more likely it is that they'll extend his contract through 2026. Furthermore I can see the US Team succeeding despite Gregg's coaching. We've never had this many players playing at such high levels of competition. Pulisic, Rayna, Adams, McKennie, Dest, Brooks, & Steffen are all inked into the US starting XI. Their skill & ability should be enough to qualify the team for the WC; even if paired with the likes of Bradley, Jozy, & Roldan.

blaise213
Post #43
Saturday October 10, 2020 7:35am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
US Soccer would've went bankrupt if the women's lawsuit wasn't shot down. I know all what's going on with them, in the process of presenting a sponsorship deal to them.

Lilshmike
Post #44
Saturday October 10, 2020 12:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from Know Nothing

To save you the trouble, I will say there is nothing inaccurate about your statement that who are/have been youth players to date . But that statement also applies to EVERY player that has ever played the game.

Maybe Stoked is guilty of a little hyperbole when he says they are leading their teams, but the tenet of his argument is a strong one imo...we have guys that are valued by big clubs overseas, players playing well and getting noticed. They have very high ceilings for where their talent may go. Why wait for them to be the finished article when their talent has already surpassed others that have developed into "solid professionals"?
I understand the principle of the argument, but that's not how most (and in that post) frame the argument. To bring it back to the high school recruit at an SEC school analogy, those kids don't get shoved into the starting position right away. They start on the bench and work their way up the depth chart. A process that's been taking place with our national team.

However, most mix up being a highly touted high school recruit that has yet to either play a game or make their way up the depth chart, with that recruit somehow being in the conversation of being an all conference caliber player before they've ever stepped foot on the field... and this is before we even compare the recruits of Arkansas relative to that of schools like Alabama and LSU...

I have zero problem with the 11 names he put in that starting lineup... but most of those guys are nothing more than highly touted high school recruits in their freshman year... not seasoned all conference players. The hype train gets out of control sometimes.

Yes, the future is bright, but a lot of stuff needs to be put in context before we get up in arms and emotional about it.

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Saturday October 10, 2020 12:49pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

I have zero problem with the 11 names he put in that starting lineup... but most of those guys are nothing more than highly touted high school recruits in their freshman year... not seasoned all conference players. The hype train gets out of control sometimes.

Yes, the future is bright, but a lot of stuff needs to be put in context before we get up in arms and emotional about it.


I hate to point the obvious but your analogy here only makes sense if you have the seasoned all conference players that these talented freshmen are displacing in the USMNT pool. We do not.

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