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hamsamwich
Post #16
Friday July 24, 2020 11:47pm

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Original post from Kamphgruppe

We have been saying there is a lot of talent coming though the pipe for years, well, were here now, there is so much young talent compared to what we used to get we are bursting at the seems. It might be easy to find a coach in fire years. Did anyone else see Jürgen Klopp salivating watching Pulisic tear up his team the other day?
it will definitely be an attractive job next cycle once all these talented players have enough experience. Add to that the guys born in the 01-03 years who will be just breaking through who supposedly are better than this bunch.

Dave
Post #17
Saturday July 25, 2020 1:57am

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The USSF has the tendency to extend the USMNT coach contracts beyond a single cycle. Arena, Bradley, & Klinsmann all had their contracts extended for a 2nd Cycle....even if only Bruce lead the team through 2 complete cycles, the others were still initially extended.
I have the nagging feeling that Gregg's contract will be extended. If we qualify for 2022 (which we should) USSF will say he returned the USMNT to the big stage....if for some reason we fail to qualify they've got a ready made set of excuses (extremely young squad, Covid-19, rebuilding, etc...).
If they do actually replace Gregg there are a few names I could see as a possibility:
1) Roberto Martinez - Has great experience internationally, has an attractive style of play, able to get big personalities/egos to work as a team.
2) Wagner - USMNT experience, EPL & B1 coaching experience. Knows how to squeeze the best out of even average players.
3) Marsch - On the rise....but currently lacks the splash/recognition you they may want as a Co-Host of the event.
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Now if they extend Gregg's contract for the 2026 cycle then end up parting ways with him and need someone outside the usual hiring window there could be some surprise names emerge depending on who's available....
The MLS Contingent of coaches would be: Vermes, Bob Bradley, Tab & Porter
But there could also be some Big Name managers who could become very interested in the position if our current young talent continues to grow and reach the potential we hope they will. It's not totally inconceivable to think that Klopp or another major league coach wouldn't be interested in leading a team with players like Pulisic (Chelsea), Dest (Bayern), Richards (Bayern), Reyna (Man C or Liverpool), Ledezma (PSV), Weah (PSG), Adams (RedBull), etc...entering the prime of their careers.

hamsamwich
Post #18
Saturday July 25, 2020 3:16pm

Joined Oct 2013
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@dave- I have to agree. I'd be shocked if they didn't extend Berhalter. The way he was hired stunk- and with the way the ussf operates, I almost couldn't see it happening another way. Especially with the extra year before he was hired, it's going to be a lot of time missed due to covid- the ussf will probably say he needs more time and deserves that chance. If the results and play don't improve after international soccer returns the pressure should build on Gregg. All that time wasted in hiring him has kind of gotten us again. Players still don't have this thing worked out and now time is running short. I wish the next coach were a sooner thing than what @Dave just said.

Dave
Post #19
Sunday September 13, 2020 2:34am

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Original post from Know Nothing

Perhaps I am getting ahead of myself, but imagine in 5 years a coach salivating to want to coach Pulisic and Reyna in their primes with a vastly more experienced Tyler Adams and Weston McKennie in the midfield behind them.


In 5 yrs the talent that the USMNT could field could be frightening. The below players are all at clubs playing at least Europa League level and are all still under 23 yrs old. In 5 yrs they'll either be at their Prime or entering into it.
Attack: Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, De La Fuente, Uli
Midfield: Adams, McKennie, Cardoso, Ladezma
Defense: Dest, Richards, Otasowie,

Yes, some are still waiting for their 1st team debuts but those couple players are very, very close. In 5 yrs with the experience they gain and the chemistry they'll develop this group could be monsters, and there are still plenty of talent to round out the team.

Samtom23
Post #20
Sunday September 13, 2020 8:52am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from Dave

In 5 yrs the talent that the USMNT could field could be frightening. The below players are all at clubs playing at least Europa League level and are all still under 23 yrs old. In 5 yrs they'll either be at their Prime or entering into it.
Attack: Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, De La Fuente, Uli
Midfield: Adams, McKennie, Cardoso, Ladezma
Defense: Dest, Richards, Otasowie,

Yes, some are still waiting for their 1st team debuts but those couple players are very, very close. In 5 yrs with the experience they gain and the chemistry they'll develop this group could be monsters, and there are still plenty of talent to round out the team.


You left off young players that are still in MLS and youth academies. Aaronson and they say his little brother is better. Pepi I believe will arrive too. Patrick Weah is a younger player to keep in mind too. Five years is a long time in professional football. Chasing a cup has a nice breakdown of some of the more youthful talent emerging within USA.

And they way Dallas is playing young players presumably to be sold on along with Philadephia, this list will be growing. Couple things to watch, Richards might be sold next year. I am reading reports Bayern like another prospect a little more that is why he is play LCB instead of his stronger position of RCB. Also, Dest is out of the starting XI at the moment. Unsure if this is due to transfer speculation and being punished or being young and not trying enough. I think Dest will get the starting XI it's just a matter of time.

Dave
Post #21
Sunday September 13, 2020 9:43pm

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from Samtom23

You left off young players that are still in MLS and youth academies. Aaronson and they say his little brother is better. Pepi I believe will arrive too. Patrick Weah is a younger player to keep in mind too. Five years is a long time in professional football. Chasing a cup has a nice breakdown of some of the more youthful talent emerging within USA.

Was trying to limit/focus on the Cream of the Crop within our player pool & the very top prospects. The overall depth of the USMNT is improving, and there are more & more very promising prospects (across multiple leagues).
Based on the progress a number of the young European players have made over the last 6 months, I'm looking forward to seeing what the USMNT may look like once they get back together.
Excited to see Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams, & Dest all on the field together at the same time.

hamsamwich
Post #22
Friday September 18, 2020 2:29pm

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Let's just give this a bump as Coach Matarazzo gets ready to lead out his Stuttgart squad for the opener of the bundesliga. American born and bred, this guy has succeeded where many others have failed...

And of course our shining star, Jesse Marsch. Watching him play for the Fire was like watching my dads rec league team, there was this old guy who wasn't really athletic anymore, couldn't run really or jump for rebounds.... but he was always in the right spot and his team always won. He provided a space for the others to be successful. Those Fire teams were stocked with current coaches around the league and abroad, the disciples of the old Bradley. But the best is the guy who was always the coach on the field, Marsch.

Speaking of those guys- not recommending him for the 2026 gig but how about Jim Curtin in Philly? Winning while developing young Americans. The skills he lets these guys build into their games and the freedom to play while still maintaining a team concept and structure. Nice.

Dave
Post #23
Saturday September 19, 2020 9:46am

Joined Jul 2014
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@hamsamwich -
I'm hoping for a more experienced coach than Curtin, someone who's coached beyond the US Borders and can make a bit of a statement.
With the US Co-Hosting the 2026 WC, and the way the public opinion is trending in sports; I think USSF will have to re-evaluate some of their criteria and approach for the manager position selection process.
Right now, if available Martinez would be my 1st choice...Wagner, Marsh, Matarazzo would be equally viable options. Whatever the USSF does, they won't be able to pull the "Old Boy" pre-determined selection this time around.

hamsamwich
Post #24
Saturday September 19, 2020 2:10pm

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@dave- I definitely said no Jim Curtin. Just pointing him out because he was with Armas, Marsch, Wynalda, CJ Brown, Gonzalo Segares and I think there are even a few more.

All Bob Bradley disciples. But now it not just Bobs "coaching tree" to use NFL speak. Plenty of other people are popping up all over the place. I hope there is a new coach but I don't hold my breath. USSF may be scarred by Jurgen to want to not have a powerful coach type in that role.

hamsamwich
Post #25
Monday October 5, 2020 7:06pm

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So to go back to this one more time - if the players develop only at their clubs then what is the purpose of the national team coach for you all???

If this thread is about 2026, what will Berhalter be responsible for (as far as managing the program until the next guy)? There are six years until that World Cup, in two and a half to three years we should have a new coach. So in the intervening three years until then- what is he doing and what should he be doing?

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #26
Monday October 5, 2020 10:21pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,494
Basically a coach is there to create a style of play which those that hired the coach knew about and wanted it applicated to their team. And depending on the coaches rep a philosophy may come along with that, Mourinho, Pep, Klopp. For the US Gregg is essentially a novice at the national coaching level. He has been in MLS his home county and coached in a league lower than that of the biggest leagues and nations across the globe. It's basically if the three lions hired the coach from Sheffield Wednesday. And I compare the US to England bc I think it's fair. Gregg is not the guy at all, but he has some great talent now and it's his job not to screw it up..like trying to play Adams at right back so Trapp can start..smh

Dave
Post #27
Tuesday October 6, 2020 12:55am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from hamsamwich

So to go back to this one more time - if the players develop only at their clubs then what is the purpose of the national team coach for you all???

If this thread is about 2026, what will Berhalter be responsible for (as far as managing the program until the next guy)? There are six years until that World Cup, in two and a half to three years we should have a new coach. So in the intervening three years until then- what is he doing and what should he be doing?


Gregg's responsibility this cycle is to take an inexperienced group of young players and devise a formation/system that gives them the best chance to succeed. He also needs to do this without alienating any of the young players who are duel nationals.
There is enough raw talent in the player pool, and there are enough games in 2021 for the team to gain the necessary experience & chemistry to qualify; and if put in the right system/formation to get out of the Group Phase of the 2022 WC. This would wash the bad taste out of the mouth of a good portion of the USMNT fanbase.
The new coach after 2022 will then have a young, but experienced squad, to mold into a contender for the 2026 WC and a full 4 yrs to do it in.

hamsamwich
Post #28
Wednesday October 7, 2020 2:07pm

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Opinions are the life of the fan base. Thanks for the responses. Anyone else??

stoked-3
Post #29
Thursday October 8, 2020 1:42am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 96
Original post from hamsamwich

So to go back to this one more time - if the players develop only at their clubs then what is the purpose of the national team coach for you all???

If this thread is about 2026, what will Berhalter be responsible for (as far as managing the program until the next guy)? There are six years until that World Cup, in two and a half to three years we should have a new coach. So in the intervening three years until then- what is he doing and what should he be doing?


I think we should focus on 2022 for some reason some on here are lowering the bar but lets look at our possible starting 11 by club

------Werder
---Dortumnd

Chelsea -- Juve --Lille

--RB Leip -

Fulham -Wolfsburg--Bayern--Barcelona

--Manchester City-

Bench
Furth, Derby, Heerenveen, PSV, Wien, Hammarby

The excuse that these kids are inexperienced and unproven is not a great excuse. They are playing against the best talent in the world week in and out, and the y are not just doing ok but rather they are thriving and leading their teams.

So as fans and as a team we should be setting a high stand for this WC. And then yes in theory 2026 should be even better when these kids are more seasoned and hitting their prime and the even younger kids break through with their clubs.

The national team coach is part scout, part manager, part gm, part tactician. So GB needs to find guys that can play at the Int team level, then create a system around those guys.

If we are looking at 2026 he needs to do what DS did and experiment with a couple fringe guys every camp; try to find out if someone like Uly can produce 2 games in a row, or see if Ledezma Mendez goster Hoppe Sabi etc can hang at this level or show enough promise to hang at this level in the next cycle to give them some experience now.

But I say lets focus on this WC I think we have the talent to get out of the group and win a game..

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #30
Thursday October 8, 2020 5:02pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,494
It better be Ramos at the helm!!!!

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