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bjelks
Post #76
Tuesday June 23, 2020 9:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

What does that even mean? Your statement makes no sense. You're making the claim that players in MLS shouldn't be considered because it is an inferior league... then suggesting that players in European leagues that are below MLS (by your own source) should get called in. You're contradicting yourself and trying to use a "yeah, but" framework to justify your faulty, contradictory stance.

Those 3 leagues that you mentioned, by your own source, are below the level of MLS. End of debate. No "yeah, but" scenarios. You need to find another argument.

And... who exactly am I calling for in MLS, and who exactly in EPL, Bundesliga, Championship, Austria, or Argentina am I saying that should be overlooked in favor of a player in MLS? I'm legitimately doing no such thing. Like, what are you even talking about right now?

The only thing I am doing, and continue to do, is point out your inconsistent, contradicting logic. You're getting too offended and hunkering down on a faulty argument instead of accepting your fault.

If you wanted to say... "Although Nova has been poor this season, we don't have many forwards who are producing. I don't care for Zardes, and I think that Nova could be decent to select and throw him in a game because he is tall and gives us an advantage on set pieces"... yeah, then thats a pretty good argument and you have something solid to defend your subjective opinion.

But that is not what you're doing. You're taking your subjective opinion, claiming it as subjective fact, using a source that doesn't support your argument, and trying to attach a "yeah, but" to it in order to avoid being wrong initially that those leagues are better than MLS.

But of course, pointing that out makes one a puppet for USSF, a fanboy, and displays a bias for MLS... yawn.


@lilshmike you're so smart when you want to be and can play even dumber when it's convenient for you.
Outside of the top 4 teams in MLS, all the rest are on par with Spanish 2nd division.
Outside of the top 8 teams in MLS, all the rest are on par with Serie B.
The bottom 6 in MLS are on par with League One.
These are objective facts based on player and team values.
The point in all of this is if players are at similar club levels, then there must be a deeper dive into the factors for player selection. Then it would not be one size fits all.
But if the level is clearly higher like EPL, Bundesliga or Championship then it should be a no brainer.

The problem with the USMNT is that there is a clear bias where clearly higher level players and even disputable ones outside of mls aren't even considered to preserve representation for mls.

When you say that Nova is having a poor season, but his manager says otherwise, we can objectively agree that you are lying. It is indeed a casual take to grade strikers purely on goals scored.

I've consistently said that you have given mls players every benefit and made every excuse to dismiss abroad players. Tim Chandler had 5 goals in Bundesliga in 2020. I said he's been our most productive winger in 2020 and you rejected it, which is a clear fact. I've mentioned EPB and you've tried to dismiss him in favor of Long, I've mentioned Sonora and you've dismissed him and the beat goes on.

You unconditionally defend Gregg and the fed, and that's why I call you a fanboy and a tool.
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Lilshmike
Post #77
Tuesday June 23, 2020 11:42pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,471
So much for not name calling...

@bjelks

You mentioned 3 leagues that shouldn't be overlooked: EPL, Bundesliga, and Championship. Yedlin and Pulisic are our only EPL guys, and they get called in. McKennie, Sargent, Brooks, Morales, Adams, and Steffen are all in the Bundesliga, and they get called in. Ream, Holmes, Robinson are all in Championship and they have been called in. So... not sure what you're arguing for there? Our guys who are in those leagues, when healthy and available, get called in. And throw in Reyna, who Berhalter said would be called in... legitimately almost every player in those leagues who is American gets called in. So again... what is your argument?

Novakovich has not been as productive as other guys in the pool. I'm not lying and making anything up here, numbers don't lie. He plays in a worse league than MLS and has been far less productive than his MLS peers. That's objective fact. And as a result, those guys have a leg up on him when making an argument for inclusion to the USMNT.

Its funny... you've graded Jozy by his time in EPL strictly on stats and overlooked other aspects of his career and the abysmal supporting cast he had at both Hull and Sunderland when it supported your argument... but now you've done a U-turn? This is constructive criticism here... think about what you've said previously before posting. You continue to talk yourself into contradictory circles from which you're unable to escape because you just shift your stance and double down.

Dude... I'm all for calling in Chandler He has earned it. You said hes been our most productive player in 2020... but considering the whole coronavirus thing, you can't cherry pick ONLY 2020. You need to take the ENTIRE 2019-2020 season into account. And, when looking at the entire season, theres an argument to be made that others have been more productive for their positions than Chandler. That's your subjective opinion, not an objective fact... but you're continuing to double down on an opinion and claiming it as fact when it's not.

I'm not defending GGG... I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and contradictory arguments. But yet again... that makes me a fanboy and tool. Who would have ever guessed that one...

hamsamwich
Post #78
Wednesday June 24, 2020 2:07am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,404
I'm pretty sure most of us A) consider the player pool, B) give an opinion on who should play, and C) use our own logic to defend that choice.

This is a bundesliga thread. I'm sure most of us if not all consider that to be a top tier league. Any player playing in a league like that merits serious consideration for the USMNT. However, playing in said league is not an automatic. See: Chandler or Morales for example. To paraphrase another poster on here: if you don't help the team jump up a level you shouldn't be considered, no matter what league you play in. Morales' average midfield play is typical of a USA journeyman, and the same with Chandler who has never looked the part.

bjelks
Post #79
Wednesday June 24, 2020 2:14am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,698
Original post from Lilshmike

So much for not name calling...

@bjelks

You mentioned 3 leagues that shouldn't be overlooked: EPL, Bundesliga, and Championship. Yedlin and Pulisic are our only EPL guys, and they get called in. McKennie, Sargent, Brooks, Morales, Adams, and Steffen are all in the Bundesliga, and they get called in. Ream, Holmes, Robinson are all in Championship and they have been called in. So... not sure what you're arguing for there? Our guys who are in those leagues, when healthy and available, get called in. And throw in Reyna, who Berhalter said would be called in... legitimately almost every player in those leagues who is American gets called in. So again... what is your argument?

Novakovich has not been as productive as other guys in the pool. I'm not lying and making anything up here, numbers don't lie. He plays in a worse league than MLS and has been far less productive than his MLS peers. That's objective fact. And as a result, those guys have a leg up on him when making an argument for inclusion to the USMNT.

Its funny... you've graded Jozy by his time in EPL strictly on stats and overlooked other aspects of his career and the abysmal supporting cast he had at both Hull and Sunderland when it supported your argument... but now you've done a U-turn? This is constructive criticism here... think about what you've said previously before posting. You continue to talk yourself into contradictory circles from which you're unable to escape because you just shift your stance and double down.

Dude... I'm all for calling in Chandler He has earned it. You said hes been our most productive player in 2020... but considering the whole coronavirus thing, you can't cherry pick ONLY 2020. You need to take the ENTIRE 2019-2020 season into account. And, when looking at the entire season, theres an argument to be made that others have been more productive for their positions than Chandler. That's your subjective opinion, not an objective fact... but you're continuing to double down on an opinion and claiming it as fact when it's not.

I'm not defending GGG... I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and contradictory arguments. But yet again... that makes me a fanboy and tool. Who would have ever guessed that one...


You called me a hypocrite then said so much for the name calling lol.

I'm gonna call you out for lying again. Morales, Fab, Holmes, Antonee, Miazga, CCV, Timmy have all been overlooked when healthy and in form.

When Nova was in Eredivisie, he scored 10 goals and was overlooked. The Eredivisie is better than MLS. It's an objective fact. Outside of the top 8 teams mls is on par with Serie B, objective fact. That means most teams in mls are at Serie B level. Playing striker is more than about scoring goals and scoring goals isn't all about the striker, objective fact. You can play naive if you want, but it's clear you shape your arguments to give mls every benefit.

I use your logic against you, bc you use whatever narrative you can to hype mls.
If you want to compare Jozy to Sargent today, Sargent plays in a better league on a bigger club.
If you want to use historical context, Sargent has scored more goals at a higher rate at a top level than Jozy. If you want to talk quality, his technical standard is higher.
Jozy hasn't scored against a top 20 team in the world since Chile in 2015.

@lilshmike I said 2020, I didn't say the 2019-2020 season. You know how to read calendar, 2020 started in January of 2020. Give that man his credit and stop hating.

You made a post about injuries and not having guys available but dismissed the 7 guys I named plus fringe guys like Nova, Gooch, EPB, Sonora that could've been difference makers. Shame on you. You literally made a false excuse for playing so many mls players bc you wanted to take up for Gregg and promote mls. I'm not interested in going back and forth or putting on a show bc I know you will lie, but I'm certain that you have an agenda to promote mls and defend the federation, no matter how bad the player selection is. Again, you haven't made a good case for me not to call you a fanboy.
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Lilshmike
Post #80
Wednesday June 24, 2020 3:53am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,471
Original post from bjelks

You called me a hypocrite then said so much for the name calling lol.

I'm gonna call you out for lying again. Morales, Fab, Holmes, Antonee, Miazga, CCV, Timmy have all been overlooked when healthy and in form.

When Nova was in Eredivisie, he scored 10 goals and was overlooked. The Eredivisie is better than MLS. It's an objective fact. Outside of the top 8 teams mls is on par with Serie B, objective fact. That means most teams in mls are at Serie B level. Playing striker is more than about scoring goals and scoring goals isn't all about the striker, objective fact. You can play naive if you want, but it's clear you shape your arguments to give mls every benefit.

I use your logic against you, bc you use whatever narrative you can to hype mls.
If you want to compare Jozy to Sargent today, Sargent plays in a better league on a bigger club.
If you want to use historical context, Sargent has scored more goals at a higher rate at a top level than Jozy. If you want to talk quality, his technical standard is higher.
Jozy hasn't scored against a top 20 team in the world since Chile in 2015.

@lilshmike I said 2020, I didn't say the 2019-2020 season. You know how to read calendar, 2020 started in January of 2020. Give that man his credit and stop hating.

You made a post about injuries and not having guys available but dismissed the 7 guys I named plus fringe guys like Nova, Gooch, EPB, Sonora that could've been difference makers. Shame on you. You literally made a false excuse for playing so many mls players bc you wanted to take up for Gregg and promote mls. I'm not interested in going back and forth or putting on a show bc I know you will lie, but I'm certain that you have an agenda to promote mls and defend the federation, no matter how bad the player selection is. Again, you haven't made a good case for me not to call you a fanboy.
Welp, the calmed down tone didn't last long...

Not going to address all the stuff in your post. Not worth the time because you continue going in circles. But again, constructive criticism here, think about what you've posted previously before hitting send. You continue to contradict your own statements, twist arguments to fit whatever narrative you're pushing, and dismiss any criticism or differing opinions with the good ole boy system, or fanboy, or USSF and GGG defender, etc. It hurts your credibility.

Samtom23
Post #81
Wednesday June 24, 2020 5:48am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 431
Original post from bjelks

@samtom23 You don't think we could be discounting top level and fringe abroad players to overestimate mls players?

@hamsamwich I don't see any objective evidence to justify gifting Morris chances over players at similar or overlapping levels that may offer more quality. I'm sorry I don't think Morris' automatic inclusion is based on his ability to be more impactful than other attacking options. I think moving on from Morris is the last step before we become world title contenders.

My point again by the difference between Landon and Jordan is at least Landon had the hunger and ambition to test himself on loan stints. Jordan has never cared about testing or proving himself bc caps have been given to him bc of his appearance and background as a marketing tool. If he's not called bc of his club level, he doesn't even have the spine to care. He's the last type of player that has To be removed for USMNT to graduate to world contender.


Let's breakdown the Mexico game. Tyler Boyd vs Jordan Morris

Now Boyd got the start and played 58:00 minutes.

Boyd's first notable action came at the 21:00 minute mark of the game. On the defensive third of the pitch. CP was defending number 17 for Mexico, Tettaca. He created space and Dest came into for support. He proceeded to nutmeg Dest (learning curve) , the and then flicked it into Chicharito. Who headed it home unmarked. Who was supposed to be marking him? It appears to be Tyler Boyd from the replay. Around the 35:00 minute mark, if you are curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4RxakvM-A

In fairness to Boyd, it might've been Will Trapp's responsibility but from the video, it seems like Boyd should've marked Chicharito and him running into the frame at the last minute, supports that. At the very least, Boyd should've called out to Trapp that an attacker was behind him.

I don't recall any significant play during the rest of Boyd's time against Mexico. Fifty eight minutes into the game Morris comes on for Boyd. Within two minutes Morris with the help of CP and Weston Mckennie create the first corner for USA of this match. It is about the 1:20:35 mark for any that are interested. An aerial dual that resulted in a foul on him and a leg whiff when Mexico was attacking near the half, which should've been 2-0 Mexico.

Morris next big involvement came around the 83 minute mark, where he shot a weak left footed shot on target at least but not the greatest.

And Morris next big moment came around the 87 minute mark. Cannon one a header to Pulisic and Pulisic passed it into Morris making a run. He had a hard first touch but two Mexican defenders were on him. It did result in a penalty which Sargent missed.

Further Bundesliga involvement in this match.

Around the 1:39:24

We can look at Mexico's second goal.

In the defense half, USA one possession.

After winning possession some passes to Robinson, LLegett, Lovitz then McKennie. McKennie passes it to Steffen. I think he should've never made this passed. He put his keeper in a bad spot. And he missed Morales which is the safer pass. But Steffen should've recognized the pressure and just kicked the shit out of the ball.

And the last goal.

This was mainly due to Morales. He broke down to defend the attacker and the attacker just ran right by him. Then, a simple couple of passes and Mexico scored the nearest defender was Long but the opportunity was created by Morales.

Looking at this game. It was more of a breakdown in coaching then players. I can highlight players mistakes but playing out of the back was the culprit of the lack of attack without countering the pressure.

Also, some Euro based players poor decision making in game directly led to Mexico goals.

But we have now seen Morris vs Boyd in comparison real time. I can thoroughly dismiss Boyd being more valuable to USA than Morris based upon this competition.

I am ok with Gooch and De La Fuente getting a look and maybe Boyd is a bench option but I doubt that.

Samtom23
Post #82
Wednesday June 24, 2020 8:36am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 431
Original post from Samtom23

Let's breakdown the Mexico game. Tyler Boyd vs Jordan Morris

Now Boyd got the start and played 58:00 minutes.

Boyd's first notable action came at the 21:00 minute mark of the game. On the defensive third of the pitch. CP was defending number 17 for Mexico, Tettaca. He created space and Dest came into for support. He proceeded to nutmeg Dest (learning curve) , the and then flicked it into Chicharito. Who headed it home unmarked. Who was supposed to be marking him? It appears to be Tyler Boyd from the replay. Around the 35:00 minute mark, if you are curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4RxakvM-A

In fairness to Boyd, it might've been Will Trapp's responsibility but from the video, it seems like Boyd should've marked Chicharito and him running into the frame at the last minute, supports that. At the very least, Boyd should've called out to Trapp that an attacker was behind him.

I don't recall any significant play during the rest of Boyd's time against Mexico. An aerial dual that resulted in a foul on him and a leg whiff when Mexico was attacking near the half, which should've been 2-0 Mexico.

Fifty eight minutes into the game Morris comes on for Boyd. Within two minutes Morris with the help of CP and Weston Mckennie create the first corner for USA of this match. It is about the 1:20:35 mark for any that are interested.

Morris next big involvement came around the 83 minute mark, where he shot a weak left footed shot on target at least but not the greatest.

And Morris next big moment came around the 87 minute mark. Cannon had a header to Pulisic and Pulisic passed it into Morris making a run. He had a hard first touch but two Mexican defenders were on him. It did result in a penalty which Sargent missed.

Further Bundesliga involvement in this match.

Around the 1:39:24

We can look at Mexico's second goal.

In the defense half, USA won possession.

After winning possession some passes to Robinson, LLegett, Lovitz then McKennie. McKennie passes it to Steffen. I think he should've never made this passed. He put his keeper in a bad spot. And he missed Morales which is the safer pass. But Steffen should've recognized the pressure and just kicked the shit out of the ball.

And the last goal.

This was mainly due to Morales. He broke down to defend the attacker and the attacker just ran right by him. Then, a simple couple of passes and Mexico scored the nearest defender was Long but the opportunity was created by Morales.

Looking at this game. It was more of a breakdown in coaching then players. I can highlight players mistakes but playing out of the back was the culprit of the lack of attack without countering the pressure.

Also, some Euro based players poor decision making in game directly led to Mexico goals.

But we have now seen Morris vs Boyd in comparison real time. I can thoroughly dismiss Boyd being more valuable to USA than Morris based upon this competition.

I am ok with Gooch and De La Fuente getting a look and maybe Boyd is a bench option but I doubt that.


hamsamwich
Post #83
Wednesday June 24, 2020 2:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,404
As the last game is about to take place- what do we think of Sargent about to be relegated (potentially) from the league with Bremen?? I think his play has ticked up enough since the restart to warrant a move to another club in the league before staying with Bremen in 2bund. It's not over and done with, but it looks like relegation. Rooting for him to show well regardless in this last game at home v Koln, it's a huge game for a club like Bremen who are basically lifers in the bundesliga... lots of pressure this weekend on Josh.

bjelks
Post #84
Wednesday June 24, 2020 2:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,698
Original post from Lilshmike

Welp, the calmed down tone didn't last long...

Not going to address all the stuff in your post. Not worth the time because you continue going in circles. But again, constructive criticism here, think about what you've posted previously before hitting send. You continue to contradict your own statements, twist arguments to fit whatever narrative you're pushing, and dismiss any criticism or differing opinions with the good ole boy system, or fanboy, or USSF and GGG defender, etc. It hurts your credibility.


I'll pass on your constructive criticism. You're just hurt bc I caught you in several lies. I'm not going in circles, I'm consistent with my points. I haven't contradicted anything. I pointed out that you give mls players every benefit and even when playing levels over lap or are mostly similar you discount abroad players. You overhype mls players and give them every benefit bc of your belief in nationalism. I don't give a shit what you think of my credibility. You're a nobody who would rather maintain prejudice and losing practices than progress.

If you wanna talk football, we can do that, but I'm not interested in your personal feelings, lies or your clear bias to an inferior product bc of nationalism.
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bjelks
Post #85
Wednesday June 24, 2020 3:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,698
Original post from Samtom23

Let's breakdown the Mexico game. Tyler Boyd vs Jordan Morris

Now Boyd got the start and played 58:00 minutes.

Boyd's first notable action came at the 21:00 minute mark of the game. On the defensive third of the pitch. CP was defending number 17 for Mexico, Tettaca. He created space and Dest came into for support. He proceeded to nutmeg Dest (learning curve) , the and then flicked it into Chicharito. Who headed it home unmarked. Who was supposed to be marking him? It appears to be Tyler Boyd from the replay. Around the 35:00 minute mark, if you are curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4RxakvM-A

In fairness to Boyd, it might've been Will Trapp's responsibility but from the video, it seems like Boyd should've marked Chicharito and him running into the frame at the last minute, supports that. At the very least, Boyd should've called out to Trapp that an attacker was behind him.

I don't recall any significant play during the rest of Boyd's time against Mexico. Fifty eight minutes into the game Morris comes on for Boyd. Within two minutes Morris with the help of CP and Weston Mckennie create the first corner for USA of this match. It is about the 1:20:35 mark for any that are interested. An aerial dual that resulted in a foul on him and a leg whiff when Mexico was attacking near the half, which should've been 2-0 Mexico.

Morris next big involvement came around the 83 minute mark, where he shot a weak left footed shot on target at least but not the greatest.

And Morris next big moment came around the 87 minute mark. Cannon one a header to Pulisic and Pulisic passed it into Morris making a run. He had a hard first touch but two Mexican defenders were on him. It did result in a penalty which Sargent missed.

Further Bundesliga involvement in this match.

Around the 1:39:24

We can look at Mexico's second goal.

In the defense half, USA one possession.

After winning possession some passes to Robinson, LLegett, Lovitz then McKennie. McKennie passes it to Steffen. I think he should've never made this passed. He put his keeper in a bad spot. And he missed Morales which is the safer pass. But Steffen should've recognized the pressure and just kicked the shit out of the ball.

And the last goal.

This was mainly due to Morales. He broke down to defend the attacker and the attacker just ran right by him. Then, a simple couple of passes and Mexico scored the nearest defender was Long but the opportunity was created by Morales.

Looking at this game. It was more of a breakdown in coaching then players. I can highlight players mistakes but playing out of the back was the culprit of the lack of attack without countering the pressure.

Also, some Euro based players poor decision making in game directly led to Mexico goals.

But we have now seen Morris vs Boyd in comparison real time. I can thoroughly dismiss Boyd being more valuable to USA than Morris based upon this competition.

I am ok with Gooch and De La Fuente getting a look and maybe Boyd is a bench option but I doubt that.


Thanks for the breakdown of 1 game where we were thoroughly outmatched in personnel due to the over reliance of mls players.

Morris was put into good spots bc of balls played by CP and Wes which I would expect, whiffed a left footed shot, drew a corner and a penalty. This doesn't convince me he's better than Boyd, but I see the point you're trying to make.

I'll be the first to admit Dest, Morales, Mckennie, CP made mistakes but that doesn't mean we should replaced them with Lima, Trapp, Roldan and Arriola lol. It means there needs to be more Cohesion between the levels of players so few of the parts don't have the responsibility of everything.

When he doesn't have someone creating for him at this level, he goes static like against Mexico in GC and Canada away. We need wingers that can create at any level and Morris doesn't have the profile to do this.
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Lilshmike
Post #86
Wednesday June 24, 2020 3:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,471
Original post from hamsamwich

As the last game is about to take place- what do we think of Sargent about to be relegated (potentially) from the league with Bremen?? I think his play has ticked up enough since the restart to warrant a move to another club in the league before staying with Bremen in 2bund. It's not over and done with, but it looks like relegation. Rooting for him to show well regardless in this last game at home v Koln, it's a huge game for a club like Bremen who are basically lifers in the bundesliga... lots of pressure this weekend on Josh.
I highly doubt he will move to another club in the Bundesliga. No club is going to invest much in a player who has been a bench player on one of the worst teams in the league. Hes gotten some starts here and there and scored a couple goals... but Sargent has been a sub player for Bremen, firmly establishing himself as a "first off the bench" option for his position.

Bundesliga 2 would probably be a good thing for him. Assuming Bremen gets relegated, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that Sargent (given other guys on the team, ages and whatnot) could push to become the first choice striker. Him getting a full season as a first choice guy in Bundesliga 2 would be beneficial for his development.

At his age, its not necessarily about WHERE he is playing (i.e. Bundesliga vs 2), as much as it is HOW MUCH he is playing. You can only gain but so much experience coming off the bench or getting a handful of starts. He needs a full season of consistently being in a starting lineup.

Although it may seem like a negative that he will likely get relegated, truth is that its probably going to help him more than hurt.

Lilshmike
Post #87
Wednesday June 24, 2020 3:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,471
Original post from bjelks

I'll pass on your constructive criticism. You're just hurt bc I caught you in several lies. I'm not going in circles, I'm consistent with my points. I haven't contradicted anything. I pointed out that you give mls players every benefit and even when playing levels over lap or are mostly similar you discount abroad players. You overhype mls players and give them every benefit bc of your belief in nationalism. I don't give a shit what you think of my credibility. You're a nobody who would rather maintain prejudice and losing practices than progress.

If you wanna talk football, we can do that, but I'm not interested in your personal feelings, lies or your clear bias to an inferior product bc of nationalism.
And now the calmed down tone has completely disappeared. Haha that genuinely took what, like a week?

Lilshmike
Post #88
Wednesday June 24, 2020 4:01pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,471
Original post from bjelks

Thanks for the breakdown of 1 game where we were thoroughly outmatched in personnel due to the over reliance of mls players.

Morris was put into good spots bc of balls played by CP and Wes which I would expect, whiffed a left footed shot, drew a corner and a penalty. This doesn't convince me he's better than Boyd, but I see the point you're trying to make.

I'll be the first to admit Dest, Morales, Mckennie, CP made mistakes but that doesn't mean we should replaced them with Lima, Trapp, Roldan and Arriola lol. It means there needs to be more Cohesion between the levels of players so few of the parts don't have the responsibility of everything.

When he doesn't have someone creating for him at this level, he goes static like against Mexico in GC and Canada away. We need wingers that can create at any level and Morris doesn't have the profile to do this.
@samtom23

Basically what is being said is that when Morris does well, its because others around him... and when Boyd isn't creating or doing well its because of... the players around him? Completely disregarding the fact that both guys had the same supporting cast. Makes complete and total sense!

Samtom23
Post #89
Wednesday June 24, 2020 5:18pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 431
Original post from bjelks

Thanks for the breakdown of 1 game where we were thoroughly outmatched in personnel due to the over reliance of mls players.

Morris was put into good spots bc of balls played by CP and Wes which I would expect, whiffed a left footed shot, drew a corner and a penalty. This doesn't convince me he's better than Boyd, but I see the point you're trying to make.

I'll be the first to admit Dest, Morales, Mckennie, CP made mistakes but that doesn't mean we should replaced them with Lima, Trapp, Roldan and Arriola lol. It means there needs to be more Cohesion between the levels of players so few of the parts don't have the responsibility of everything.

When he doesn't have someone creating for him at this level, he goes static like against Mexico in GC and Canada away. We need wingers that can create at any level and Morris doesn't have the profile to do this.


You gotta be willing to call it like it is. Boyd didn't create chances and Morris did against the same level. Until Boyd gets another crack, Morris has the edge.

And when Boyd scores a goal which he hasn't in 19 appearances in 2019/20 campaign. I would prefer giving someone else an opportunity. Morris has scored 2 goals in 2 appearances for 2020.

I am not calling for Lima, Trapp, Roldan and Arriola. I think there are other options that are better available.

hamsamwich
Post #90
Wednesday June 24, 2020 7:09pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,404
I can't disagree with some of that logic although I will say since the restart he's probably started all but 2 of the games and is the first choice striker. That will change no matter where he plays but can Bremen afford to keep their players?

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