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Post #31
Saturday June 20, 2020 3:37pm

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Great touch by Gio on the goal, Adams on at half with a great tackle in middle of the field Gio looks good on the ball

2tone
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Post #32
Saturday June 20, 2020 7:31pm

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Excited to see how much better Gio will get next season. Have to find what his best position is still. I like him as the CAM underneath a striker. Keep Pulisic on the wing, and hopefully Llanez or Weah on the right. Morris on the right will suffice until some of the younger wingers come through: Llanez, Harper, De La Duente. Pomykal can play on the wing as well.

We still don't know Weah best position either. I still think he may end up as a #9.

Samtom23
Post #33
Saturday June 20, 2020 8:13pm

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Original post from 2tone

Excited to see how much better Gio will get next season. Have to find what his best position is still. I like him as the CAM underneath a striker. Keep Pulisic on the wing, and hopefully Llanez or Weah on the right. Morris on the right will suffice until some of the younger wingers come through: Llanez, Harper, De La Duente. Pomykal can play on the wing as well.

We still don't know Weah best position either. I still think he may end up as a #9.


Same feeling about Gio for next season and I hope he does become a CAM as you suggest. It's either him or Ledezema. I am happy to see Weah is back. I will look to see how Lille uses him going forward.

bjelks
Post #34
Saturday June 20, 2020 11:50pm

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We can easily play Gio on the wing since that's where BD plays him.

Duane Holmes or Ledezma have all the qualities to play 10 and at very high levels.

With the quality of our wing depth, there's really no reason to keep Morris in future plans.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #35
Sunday June 21, 2020 1:53am

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Morris has qualities that are still valuable. That's all I have to say about that

Samtom23
Post #36
Sunday June 21, 2020 6:16am

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Original post from 2tone

Morris has qualities that are still valuable. That's all I have to say about that


For the time being, I still see Morris as our most experienced right winger, as well. There will need to be some experience upfront and Morris isn't without his qualities.

I can see Holmes/ Ledezema as a backup to Reyna.

Good seeing Richards getting his debut. It will be interesting to see what personnel decisions Bayern makes in the off season.

Benhamin13
Washington, DC
Post #37
Sunday June 21, 2020 11:45am

Joined Oct 2013
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Morris has backup qualities. Not a starter in my future. Interesting to see how it all shakes out.

hamsamwich
Post #38
Sunday June 21, 2020 2:52pm

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I think the front three of Pulisic, Jozy, Morris is our top three right now from GGGs perspective.... projecting forward we can pencil in Weah and Sargent but Gregg has to make that call. McKennie, Holmes, Ledezma, Reyna, Pulisic, Llanez, Morris, Weah, Altidore, Sargent. Combinations of those guys is what's coming. I don't see many other players (unless it's Dest played as a right winger) currently surpassing those guys. I'll allow for Gyasi to play over the sure to be injured Altidore.

bjelks
Post #39
Sunday June 21, 2020 6:42pm

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Original post from 2tone

Morris has qualities that are still valuable. That's all I have to say about that


I love to hear about these qualities that Morris has that are so valuable but no one can ever tell me what they are or when he's ever showed them at a top level.

He's not a better athlete than Weah, not smarter, not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Gooch, not smarter, not more technical
He's not a more technical or smarter than Boyd
He's not a better athlete than Uly, not smarter not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Konrad, not smarter not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Reyna, not smarter not more technical
There's no scenario where he's valuable to the team
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bjelks
Post #40
Sunday June 21, 2020 6:44pm

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Original post from Samtom23

For the time being, I still see Morris as our most experienced right winger, as well. There will need to be some experience upfront and Morris isn't without his qualities.

I can see Holmes/ Ledezema as a backup to Reyna.

Good seeing Richards getting his debut. It will be interesting to see what personnel decisions Bayern makes in the off season.


Lol what does experienced mean in the context of who has the ability to do the job the best?

And he doesn't have more bench experiences in the Bundesliga than Uly, so how valuable is this experience really?
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bjelks
Post #41
Sunday June 21, 2020 6:53pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

I think the front three of Pulisic, Jozy, Morris is our top three right now from GGGs perspective.... projecting forward we can pencil in Weah and Sargent but Gregg has to make that call. McKennie, Holmes, Ledezma, Reyna, Pulisic, Llanez, Morris, Weah, Altidore, Sargent. Combinations of those guys is what's coming. I don't see many other players (unless it's Dest played as a right winger) currently surpassing those guys. I'll allow for Gyasi to play over the sure to be injured Altidore.


I honestly don't see any value in trying to project what Gregg is going to do, we can make a strong argument that he's not even qualified for the job.
The conversation should be, what should Gregg be doing to give us our best chance to win?
Any conversation outside of that is a waste of time.

Boyd has started for Besiktas the last 2 months, you can't ignore him
Gooch is rumored to go to Middlesbrough, you can't ignore that
Konrad is linked to Hertha Berlin and set to play in Segunda, can't ignore that
Forlarin is the top Young striker in the Arsenal system, can't ignore that
Nova is set for promotion to Serie A, can't ignore that

We're in no position to be setting mls quotas and limits to the pool
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Know Nothing
Post #42
Sunday June 21, 2020 7:08pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from bjelks

I love to hear about these qualities that Morris has that are so valuable but no one can ever tell me what they are or when he's ever showed them at a top level.

He's not a better athlete than Weah, not smarter, not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Gooch, not smarter, not more technical
He's not a more technical or smarter than Boyd
He's not a better athlete than Uly, not smarter not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Konrad, not smarter not more technical
He's not a better athlete than Reyna, not smarter not more technical
There's no scenario where he's valuable to the team


OK, I'll bite...

More often than not he has produced when he has put on the shirt. That is all you can ask of someone. You need grinders in your team to keep everyone honest and working hard. Until the others (save Reyna) are fit or have sufficiently made the step up I can see Morris as a viable sub.

We do not know how Weah will return from his injury so to say he is a better athlete than Morris is a stretch.
Gooch...I dare say Morris could accomplish all he has done in league 1
Uly may well be all those things, but how does he fit within the team? TBD
Konrad is a bit of a selfish flash player that tends to disappear...let him develop a bit more consistency and yes, he will certainly pass Morris.
No comparison with Reyna.

I do wonder if you would be so vociferous against Morris if he had stayed in Germany and was a bench warmer?

Samtom23
Post #43
Monday June 22, 2020 12:32am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 430
Original post from Know Nothing

OK, I'll bite...

More often than not he has produced when he has put on the shirt. That is all you can ask of someone. You need grinders in your team to keep everyone honest and working hard. Until the others (save Reyna) are fit or have sufficiently made the step up I can see Morris as a viable sub.

We do not know how Weah will return from his injury so to say he is a better athlete than Morris is a stretch.
Gooch...I dare say Morris could accomplish all he has done in league 1
Uly may well be all those things, but how does he fit within the team? TBD
Konrad is a bit of a selfish flash player that tends to disappear...let him develop a bit more consistency and yes, he will certainly pass Morris.
No comparison with Reyna.

I do wonder if you would be so vociferous against Morris if he had stayed in Germany and was a bench warmer?


The good thing is we have arguments for and against players meaning we are starting to develop depth. My next concern is Yedlin, I wonder with his recent stance to possibly retire from the national team, what Bundesliga RB's, would we have to replace him? I know Chandler, possibly Adams at RB, could be Dest in the Bundesliga next year as well. I will stay away from the Morris argument because it's a dog chasing it's tail at this point. And will try to keep it to Bundesliga, are there any more emerging options? But really think we have depth at this position.

And kudos to Yedlin if he feels that way. It is his personal choice.

bjelks
Post #44
Monday June 22, 2020 2:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,698
Original post from Know Nothing

OK, I'll bite...

More often than not he has produced when he has put on the shirt. That is all you can ask of someone. You need grinders in your team to keep everyone honest and working hard. Until the others (save Reyna) are fit or have sufficiently made the step up I can see Morris as a viable sub.

We do not know how Weah will return from his injury so to say he is a better athlete than Morris is a stretch.
Gooch...I dare say Morris could accomplish all he has done in league 1
Uly may well be all those things, but how does he fit within the team? TBD
Konrad is a bit of a selfish flash player that tends to disappear...let him develop a bit more consistency and yes, he will certainly pass Morris.
No comparison with Reyna.

I do wonder if you would be so vociferous against Morris if he had stayed in Germany and was a bench warmer?


I think producing against minnows is the bare minimum for a national team that aspires to graduate to WC contenders. Whenever the level of play or the level of difficulty has stepped up, Morris has shrunk. Judging by how he has decided to take the comfortable route in his club career, I highly doubt that he is looked at as a grinder by his Natl team peers. I would argue that we have enough wingers fit that are at equal or higher levels to Morris to move on from him now.

Injury aside, Weah has shown to be quicker, faster with the ball and a better leaper than Morris.
To give you more context to Gooch, he's younger than Morris and has played in the EPL and EFL and is targeted by Championship clubs. To say Morris can accomplish what he has in League One, maybe but you have to account for adjusting to playing under pressure which he hasn't.
When you say how does Uly fit in the team, I would say above Morris on the depth chart bc he's better at every aspect of the game.
Garcia Pimienta tends to think Konrad has elite attacking abilities and just needs to score more. If he can show well in Segunda playoffs, all your questions will be answered.

If Jordan could make a Bundesliga team and earn a bench spot, I would definitely respect him more.
Unfortunately, he's shown that he doesn't have the mentality, belief or hunger to push himself at a higher level so that topic is null and void.
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bjelks
Post #45
Monday June 22, 2020 2:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,698
Original post from Samtom23

The good thing is we have arguments for and against players meaning we are starting to develop depth. My next concern is Yedlin, I wonder with his recent stance to possibly retire from the national team, what Bundesliga RB's, would we have to replace him? I know Chandler, possibly Adams at RB, could be Dest in the Bundesliga next year as well. I will stay away from the Morris argument because it's a dog chasing it's tail at this point. And will try to keep it to Bundesliga, are there any more emerging options? But really think we have depth at this position.

And kudos to Yedlin if he feels that way. It is his personal choice.


I don't know how much credence to give to Yedlin saying he might retire from the nats, I think he wants to see more respect given to non-mls players and more minorities when it comes to consideration for selection.

Yedlin needs a move tho and consistent mins.
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