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Lilshmike
Post #46
Friday September 4, 2020 10:56am

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from dunlopp9987

This phrase can only be uttered by someone with privilege. And speaking as a straight, cis white male, I have those privileges as well. What about these protests that athletes are participating in bothers you?
Let's just not even go there.

People come here as an outlet to discuss their love of the game and the USMNT. Understood that there are other things in society that impact sport, and every person has their own experiences and opinions...

But let's please just keep it to sport here and not even start to go down that road. Thanks.

Samtom23
Post #47
Friday September 4, 2020 12:56pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
Original post from dunlopp9987

This phrase can only be uttered by someone with privilege. And speaking as a straight, cis white male, I have those privileges as well. What about these protests that athletes are participating in bothers you?


I fundamentally disagree with you and if you actually want to have an open minded debate, I'll engage. But I will try my best not to make too many assumptions. For the record, I had to google CIS white male. But I say it more simply, I am a man.

Samtom23
Post #48
Friday September 4, 2020 1:01pm

Joined Jun 2018
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Original post from Lilshmike

Let's just not even go there.

People come here as an outlet to discuss their love of the game and the USMNT. Understood that there are other things in society that impact sport, and every person has their own experiences and opinions...

But let's please just keep it to sport here and not even start to go down that road. Thanks.


I agree. We have enough of that. I say give your support to Reggie Canyon even if you disagree with his politics. From someone that has lived outside the country for ten years, it is an enormous experience seeing USA from the outside and seeing a different cultural with different values. I didn't see your post as I was typing my reply but yeah, I don't really want to talk about politics here at all.

stoked-3
Post #49
Friday September 4, 2020 3:57pm

Joined Mar 2020
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I for once I agree with @lilmike that we all come here to discuss our love for the game/USMNT. I do not want to talk politics but when players who may represent the NATS say they may not play for us, that clearly impacts GB selection process,our depth, formation etc-

I agree with @bjelks If yedlin and Cannon were called in I am 98 percent sure they would play. However, you have to take them at their word and consider it a possibility that they would not.

You also then have to figure if they played are they going to be fully into the team and how would that effect the team.

again I wish the players/leagues kept politics out of all sports but sadly it is front and center now. So like it or not we are all exposed to it. NBA,MLB had players sit out games, the NBA sat out a playoff game.

What if our team sits our a WCQ? What if our players refuse call ups

I am hoping we have a healing in our country as both sides of peoples prospective have merrit. And we can unite. But the reality is we are divided and it has spilled into sports front and center

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/06/18/dea...

Lilshmike
Post #50
Friday September 4, 2020 8:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
@stoked-3

We agree on a bunch of things. You just don't like me and single out my posts in an attempt to get me caught in "gotcha" statements or try to call out inconsistencies in my stances.

As I always say, your issue is with the messenger, not the message.

hamsamwich
Post #51
Friday September 4, 2020 8:33pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Everything is intertwined especially at the national team level where you are representing your country and yet at the same time - when you stand there at the World Cup, for the national anthem of your country, whichever that it is - the country reflects on you. Some people can separate it as just a sporting event but most do not and maybe should not.

For example when I lived in Mexico- for us it's our rivalry game. And I'm talking about the subset of America who follows soccer because it isn't a whole country thing like it is in Mexico. The day stops in Honduras for example when they play USA at home. But back to Mexico, it's more than just a rivalry game for them. They see the USA (and not all Mexicans but most) as an oppressor of the Mexican people and it's more than a game. There are historical reasons for that. Mexico has a friendly rivalry with Costa Rica... the regional hatred from places like Guatemala and El Salvador and others is real, tangible and goes back a long way. This is such a long topic it needs its own thread to be honest with you.

But the players, Cannon included, all get to make a choice about what is important to them. If it's playing soccer for the USA fantastic, and if it's not- it's not. But I don't think fans should get worked up because players are having qualms about wearing the USA shirt- it's natural in a time like this where stress is high to vent and say things you don't fully mean. Our "greatest player ever" took a long sabbatical for personal reasons I would find this much the same. At least Cannon and Yedlin are being honest. Their commitment to the program should not be questioned it should instead be explored and they should be asked more questions to help understand and move forward, not brush aside and move on.

joey11
Post #52
Wednesday September 9, 2020 1:54am

Joined Oct 2012
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I say let him go. He isn't playing anyhow. I don't mind if players speak out but prepare for consequences. As a fan, keep politics out of sports I ask, how has he been hurt playing for the US? If racism was a problem in the locker room that's one thing. Take a stand by getting involved not Idle threats. It's like when every election someone says they'll moved to Canada if their choice loses yet they never do. You lose all integrity. So, take a stand Yedlin, out or in. Don't threaten then at last might pull back.

Samtom23
Post #53
Wednesday September 9, 2020 7:52am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 558
Original post from joey11

I say let him go. He isn't playing anyhow. I don't mind if players speak out but prepare for consequences. As a fan, keep politics out of sports I ask, how has he been hurt playing for the US? If racism was a problem in the locker room that's one thing. Take a stand by getting involved not Idle threats. It's like when every election someone says they'll moved to Canada if their choice loses yet they never do. You lose all integrity. So, take a stand Yedlin, out or in. Don't threaten then at last might pull back.


I am not too concerned about Yedlin. I think irregardless of politics, I think there are options that offer just as much if not more. Yedlin's biggest feature is pace but I think we have other options that offer more than just pass. As far as, Cannon is concerned. I think he is young and hasn't experienced the world much. I hope he can leave politics at the door because we all need to take a moment to enjoy life. He can protest but on his time.

cleancutimage
Post #54
Wednesday September 9, 2020 9:46am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,344
Original post from dunlopp9987

This phrase can only be uttered by someone with privilege. And speaking as a straight, cis white male, I have those privileges as well. What about these protests that athletes are participating in bothers you?


I disagree, I am Black male that hasn't watched a minute of American sports since they start protesting. I think they are uneducated and are following the flock rather than doing their own research. It is deeper than police brutality. That said, MLS is not popular enough in US to ostracize a large portion of the population. They should choose their words wisely. I think like someone said their emotions are getting the best of them and they are not thinking from a neutral viewpoint. Their stance is very disrespectful to a certain population that supported them.

Philip
Post #55
Wednesday September 9, 2020 2:31pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 59
Original post from cleancutimage

I disagree, I am Black male that hasn't watched a minute of American sports since they start protesting. I think they are uneducated and are following the flock rather than doing their own research. It is deeper than police brutality. That said, MLS is not popular enough in US to ostracize a large portion of the population. They should choose their words wisely. I think like someone said their emotions are getting the best of them and they are not thinking from a neutral viewpoint. Their stance is very disrespectful to a certain population that supported them.

Can you explain that position?

Lilshmike
Post #56
Wednesday September 9, 2020 2:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from Lilshmike

Let's just not even go there.

People come here as an outlet to discuss their love of the game and the USMNT. Understood that there are other things in society that impact sport, and every person has their own experiences and opinions...

But let's please just keep it to sport here and not even start to go down that road. Thanks.
Again...

Please, lets keep it to sport and not go down that road. Thanks.

cleancutimage
Post #57
Wednesday September 9, 2020 7:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,344
Original post from Philip

Can you explain that position?


What would you like to know? I just think that they are getting behind the police brutality issue far more than they should with other issues affecting the Black community. Gang violence, drugs, broken family structure, rap music, etc...

A little background about myself, like I said I am a Black man in my mid-30s, that was raised in Seattle, lived in Beaverton, OR for 4 years and NYC for 12. You watch the news and you think police brutality is such an issue in cities like Seattle & Portland. It's not but those are the two of the major cities that are going hardest. Are there some instances of police brutality in those cities? Sure but it isn't an epidemic like they make you think it is. You are very safe walking around these two cities as a Black man. Matter of fact, I have never been harmed by a police officer but have been attack but another Black male on more than one occasion and had an attempted theft by another BM.
You see the gang violence and all the little innocent Black children that are getting Killed but you won't see Reggie Cannon or Lebron wear their name on their jersey or take a knee for that.
I don't want to ramble but did George Floyd deserve to die? No but did he put himself in a pickle? Absolutely. All these people they are protesting for were doing some type of criminal act to make the cops do what they did except Breonna Taylor but that was an unfortunate situation, my point is as a Black male, I see a lack of accountability in the Black community that these Black athletes are not speaking on. I have always preached compliance, compliance, compliance and then I will see you in court but they are making it seem like Black people are just walking down the street innocently and being killed by cops. This young generation is unfortunately influenced by the wrong crowd, rappers, athletes that are no completely squared away themselves, politicians that rather be rockstars than change their community. I happened to be raised in an old-fashioned household that taught me that if you F up, you own up. A lot of Black youths are taught the opposite unfortunately, blame everyone else but yourself for your short comings. Reggie Cannon has this mentality. I have traveled around the world, trust me I am very grateful being a Black man here rather than a Black man in Latin America, Europe, Africa.
The entire narrative is wrong. Sorry, I rambled and it is a lot deeper than what I wrote but hopefully you get my point.

Oh, and I hate the White guilt nonsense just as much. Please stop doing that, it helps us none. If you are White and want to help, if you work IT for example, volunteer your time at an underprivileged or predominantly Black school and help our kids learn IT, we underrepresented in that field. If you are high up in a tech, fortune 500 company help more Black with learning your job skills and management skills so they can eventually get on your level. we don't need a bunch of unemployed bartenders, baristas, and teachers out of work protesting for us.

stoked-3
Post #58
Wednesday September 9, 2020 11:47pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Original post from cleancutimage

What would you like to know? I just think that they are getting behind the police brutality issue far more than they should with other issues affecting the Black community. Gang violence, drugs, broken family structure, rap music, etc...

A little background about myself, like I said I am a Black man in my mid-30s, that was raised in Seattle, lived in Beaverton, OR for 4 years and NYC for 12. You watch the news and you think police brutality is such an issue in cities like Seattle & Portland. It's not but those are the two of the major cities that are going hardest. Are there some instances of police brutality in those cities? Sure but it isn't an epidemic like they make you think it is. You are very safe walking around these two cities as a Black man. Matter of fact, I have never been harmed by a police officer but have been attack but another Black male on more than one occasion and had an attempted theft by another BM.
You see the gang violence and all the little innocent Black children that are getting Killed but you won't see Reggie Cannon or Lebron wear their name on their jersey or take a knee for that.
I don't want to ramble but did George Floyd deserve to die? No but did he put himself in a pickle? Absolutely. All these people they are protesting for were doing some type of criminal act to make the cops do what they did except Breonna Taylor but that was an unfortunate situation, my point is as a Black male, I see a lack of accountability in the Black community that these Black athletes are not speaking on. I have always preached compliance, compliance, compliance and then I will see you in court but they are making it seem like Black people are just walking down the street innocently and being killed by cops. This young generation is unfortunately influenced by the wrong crowd, rappers, athletes that are no completely squared away themselves, politicians that rather be rockstars than change their community. I happened to be raised in an old-fashioned household that taught me that if you F up, you own up. A lot of Black youths are taught the opposite unfortunately, blame everyone else but yourself for your short comings. Reggie Cannon has this mentality. I have traveled around the world, trust me I am very grateful being a Black man here rather than a Black man in Latin America, Europe, Africa.
The entire narrative is wrong. Sorry, I rambled and it is a lot deeper than what I wrote but hopefully you get my point.

Oh, and I hate the White guilt nonsense just as much. Please stop doing that, it helps us none. If you are White and want to help, if you work IT for example, volunteer your time at an underprivileged or predominantly Black school and help our kids learn IT, we underrepresented in that field. If you are high up in a tech, fortune 500 company help more Black with learning your job skills and management skills so they can eventually get on your level. we don't need a bunch of unemployed bartenders, baristas, and teachers out of work protesting for us.


This is really well said man!! Appreciate your thoughts--I agree I am 30% black, and never felt racism that is not to say that it is not out there but I have family in LEO and same thing there is maybe like anything else 1% of the cops that are racist but the stats just do not support the defund the police narrative. I also sit on a board where we educate women on all of their options when they face a crisis pregnancy. over 70% of the abortions on my area are by African american women but no one in blm or sports talks about this-we are killing ourselves. anyways I am happy to go on and voice my opinions should any want to talk further about this topic.

But to keep this to soccer--just like I have my opinion others are free to have thiers that is the beauty of this country. However, one safe place we had has a country was sports but now it is shoved in our face-it would be great to watch sports without having to hear athletes voice such displeasure and hate-I understand somewhat of what they are trying to do but as a fan I just want to watch a game.

I used to love the US womens team, my favorite player was Rapinoe but now I cant stand to watch them, being from miami it was fun watching lebron but after hearing all the politics stuff I just turned it all off.

So like it or not we are all subject to politics in sports more than ever before, and more than ever before sports are embracing it--and whether we like it or not that will effect some players playing at for the NAtional team.

I wish Cannon well and hope he and yedlin the most success and I support their right to voice their opinion -I think however that should be taken into account when playing for a national team.

Inequalities, bias, racism, can be solved by actually talking about the real issues @cleancut said it well..

Good luck to Cannon I am hoping he will move up to Lille next year.

cleancutimage
Post #59
Thursday September 10, 2020 12:26am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,344
Original post from stoked-3

This is really well said man!! Appreciate your thoughts-I agree I am 30% black, and never felt racism that is not to say that it is not out there but I have family in LEO and same thing there is maybe like anything else 1% of the cops that are racist but the stats just do not support the defund the police narrative. I also sit on a board where we educate women on all of their options when they face a crisis pregnancy. over 70% of the abortions on my area are by African american women but no one in blm or sports talks about this-we are killing ourselves. anyways I am happy to go on and voice my opinions should any want to talk further about this topic.

But to keep this to soccer-just like I have my opinion others are free to have thiers that is the beauty of this country. However, one safe place we had has a country was sports but now it is shoved in our face-it would be great to watch sports without having to hear athletes voice such displeasure and hate-I understand somewhat of what they are trying to do but as a fan I just want to watch a game.

I used to love the US womens team, my favorite player was Rapinoe but now I cant stand to watch them, being from miami it was fun watching lebron but after hearing all the politics stuff I just turned it all off.

So like it or not we are all subject to politics in sports more than ever before, and more than ever before sports are embracing it-and whether we like it or not that will effect some players playing at for the NAtional team.

I wish Cannon well and hope he and yedlin the most success and I support their right to voice their opinion -I think however that should be taken into account when playing for a national team.

Inequalities, bias, racism, can be solved by actually talking about the real issues @cleancut said it well..

Good luck to Cannon I am hoping he will move up to Lille next year.


Great response, yeah man a lot of these athletes are being bamboozled by the far left. As a Black man, I felt Drew Brees didn't need to apologize because he did nothing wrong. Funny you bring up Rapinoe, I can't stnd her. She is too radical. Great woman footballer but clueless as to how the way things really are. But that is most of the far left.
At the same time, like I said MLS isn't really in a position to ostracize a large portion of the population. I happen to be a LEO and a vet feel disrespected because many times people don't think I fit the ‘LEO' or ‘military' look. I dress very hip and trendy just like a lot of these athletes. I just love my country and community as well. Instead of complaining, I want to be the change from within. Also, I can live a relatively decent lifestyle like any minority should want. So when I speak to a lot of my friends and family that aren't LEOs, I explain to them from experience not from the armchair analyst position. Which we are all guilty of. So you would think athletes would understand because athletes are always criticized for making the wrong play by fans but fans might not necessarily see it from their point of view.

I think a lot of these athletes should want more minorities in law enforcement or law in general because if they knew their history law enforcement and joining the military was seen as a way of upward mobility for Blacks post-slavery. So like I said they are uneducated on this topic and acting impulsively and feeding into the sensationalism of the far left media. I got my degree in journalism so I know the way things that are being reported are sensationalized to fit a specific agenda because as an undergrad my professors told me, a journalist is the voice of the people and should only report the facts not skew them. There is a level of ethics in journalism that isn't being followed.
I don't want to take away an athletes voice because they have a voice many of us don't have but they need to weigh the risk/rewards because a lot of people that attend games feel attacked.
I used to have partial season package for NYRB when I lived in New York during the Henry years(because he is my favorite player of all time) and despite NYC having a large Black population, I would say maybe 5-10% of the fans(I am being generous) were Black. So that's my point if you are going to be political on the field be willing to fill it in your pockets because will this bring more Black people to support MLS? Probably very few but will it chase people away? Absolutely.

We can definitely do better and MLS and other leagues can do better but the BLM organization(a socialist/marxist one at that) has them by the balls at the moment. Hopefully these players see the bigger picture soon.

stoked-3
Post #60
Thursday September 10, 2020 1:11am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 168
Original post from cleancutimage

Great response, yeah man a lot of these athletes are being bamboozled by the far left. As a Black man, I felt Drew Brees didn't need to apologize because he did nothing wrong. Funny you bring up Rapinoe, I can't stnd her. She is too radical. Great woman footballer but clueless as to how the way things really are. But that is most of the far left.
At the same time, like I said MLS isn't really in a position to ostracize a large portion of the population. I happen to be a LEO and a vet feel disrespected because many times people don't think I fit the ‘LEO' or ‘military' look. I dress very hip and trendy just like a lot of these athletes. I just love my country and community as well. Instead of complaining, I want to be the change from within. Also, I can live a relatively decent lifestyle like any minority should want. So when I speak to a lot of my friends and family that aren't LEOs, I explain to them from experience not from the armchair analyst position. Which we are all guilty of. So you would think athletes would understand because athletes are always criticized for making the wrong play by fans but fans might not necessarily see it from their point of view.

I think a lot of these athletes should want more minorities in law enforcement or law in general because if they knew their history law enforcement and joining the military was seen as a way of upward mobility for Blacks post-slavery. So like I said they are uneducated on this topic and acting impulsively and feeding into the sensationalism of the far left media. I got my degree in journalism so I know the way things that are being reported are sensationalized to fit a specific agenda because as an undergrad my professors told me, a journalist is the voice of the people and should only report the facts not skew them. There is a level of ethics in journalism that isn't being followed.
I don't want to take away an athletes voice because they have a voice many of us don't have but they need to weigh the risk/rewards because a lot of people that attend games feel attacked.
I used to have partial season package for NYRB when I lived in New York during the Henry years(because he is my favorite player of all time) and despite NYC having a large Black population, I would say maybe 5-10% of the fans(I am being generous) were Black. So that's my point if you are going to be political on the field be willing to fill it in your pockets because will this bring more Black people to support MLS? Probably very few but will it chase people away? Absolutely.

We can definitely do better and MLS and other leagues can do better but the BLM organization(a socialist/marxist one at that) has them by the balls at the moment. Hopefully these players see the bigger picture soon.

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