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bjelks
Post #106
Wednesday May 13, 2020 7:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from oldguy

Wow,

I have no ability to coach. I enjoy reading the views of those on this board. With the shelter in place I have a beer, read this board and feel as if I am at a bar listening to my friends talk about soccer.

But wow, bjelks, calling people fairies is similar to sitting in the stands and yelling Puto when there is a goal kick.


@oldguy What is an appropriate way of communicating with someone that offers no substance but cheerleads for anyone that disagrees with you?

How do you have a credible convo with someone that does backflips for and agrees with whatever the governing body says or does?
goalsense
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #107
Wednesday May 13, 2020 9:01pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,533
Blaise - When are you going to buy this site and hire a Mod?

It has gone from a very chill place, one of the last in existence, to a toxic snake pit...solely due to one idiot polluting every single thread with personal attacks and nonsense...completely ruining the supportive and knowledgeable vibe this site had.

Really a shame...

Take care fellas, stay healthy!

bjelks
Post #108
Wednesday May 13, 2020 9:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,499
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Blaise - When are you going to buy this site and hire a Mod?

It has gone from a very chill place, one of the last in existence, to a toxic snake pit...solely due to one idiot polluting every single thread with personal attacks and nonsense...completely ruining the supportive and knowledgeable vibe this site had.

Really a shame...

Take care fellas, stay healthy!


The name of the site is yanks-abroad and we have idiots like you @chris that go on nonsensical tirades about why we should kick yanks abroad out of the national team for mls players bc you rather lose with domestic players than win with foreign based ones.
The softass passive aggressiveness is annoying. If you have something to say, at me you coward.

I don't have anything personal against anyone, I have a problem with supporting a toxic and corrupt system that is meant to keep duals, minorities and young players out.

When I try to share knowledge, it's ignored bc @Samtom wants to have fun and @lilshmike wants to be petty and hate on everything that opposes the federation. @chris you don't want to share knowledge you want ppl to agree with you on sum philosophies that aren't factual.

I support all of our players that aspire to play at the highest levels. The program won't progress until we all do instead of trying to push for players that haven't earned their spots.

Here's a video about the state of US Soccer from Jermaine Jones and Eddie Johnson. Receive some knowledge and support my attempt to educate you on the corruption and bigotry you ignore.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OLoVIHrwN8
goalsense
oldguy
Post #109
Thursday May 14, 2020 12:21am

Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts: 17
bjelks,

I have a friend who said to me while we were having a beer in a bar. " I like this player in the MLS. He is really fast" I replied, he is MLS fast, not international fast. We did not call each other names. We still drink beer together.

This site is yanks abroad and I expect and welcome the promotion of yanks playing out of country. To that end there are times I agree with you, but there are times your choice of words lessens the value of your opinion.

hamsamwich
Post #110
Thursday May 14, 2020 1:17am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,220
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Blaise - When are you going to buy this site and hire a Mod?

It has gone from a very chill place, one of the last in existence, to a toxic snake pit...solely due to one idiot polluting every single thread with personal attacks and nonsense...completely ruining the supportive and knowledgeable vibe this site had.

Really a shame...

Take care fellas, stay healthy!
I made a quick stop by and see nothing has changed.

@chrisBP and @blaise I'm living in Cali now so should get some quakes games and some lafc games if the season ever starts again.

****
Lost in all the rhetoric- this virus really screwing things up for the USA. Our players really need the game time they aren't getting. From the lower tier Jose Gallegos' and all the way up to say a Tyler Adams, this is very poor for many of these guys' development. Anyways, hoping to watch some great Bundesliga action this weekend. All hail Weston McKennie and Josh Sargent. And hope for a Llanez appearance or two....

Lilshmike
Post #111
Thursday May 14, 2020 2:31am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,368
Original post from hamsamwich

I made a quick stop by and see nothing has changed.

@chrisBP and @blaise I'm living in Cali now so should get some quakes games and some lafc games if the season ever starts again.

****
Lost in all the rhetoric- this virus really screwing things up for the USA. Our players really need the game time they aren't getting. From the lower tier Jose Gallegos' and all the way up to say a Tyler Adams, this is very poor for many of these guys' development. Anyways, hoping to watch some great Bundesliga action this weekend. All hail Weston McKennie and Josh Sargent. And hope for a Llanez appearance or two....
Alternate viewpoint...

I think this came at just the right time with respect to our player pool. We have had a number of guys nursing injuries. This time off may have helped them heal without the pressure of rushing back to the playing field and prolonging/making things worse.

Samtom23
Post #112
Thursday May 14, 2020 8:43am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 220
Well, Bjelks. You could actually try to do something novel and respect an opinion. And when you get frustrated don't result to calling anyone the following:

a coward
a fairy (homophobic just a little)
a clown
a fanboy

You reference Jermaine Jones and if you look at is his intro, he has Herc Gomez, who you don't respect. But Jermaine seems to (respect) judging by the intro.

It is still not a top league, I never disputed that. I merely suggested that a player get a camp invite that happens to play in MLS. I provided reasons for that.

Your response was less than diplomatic. Then, you opened yourself up to the Kleiban Bros. It isn't nepotism but a definite conflict of interest, when a team is paying your salary and you steer them away from the team you are working for to work with your bro.. And I can tell you who cares, the LA Galaxy because they invested their time and resources into helping developing those players. They walked away on free transfers.

I think the Kleibans are done professionally in organized football because they broke the trust. I highly doubt any MLS team or USMNT would seriously consider hiring them.

If the reports are accurate and they do have a contract that's less than ideal, what happens, if God forbid, Uly, Alex and possibly (Kobe) blow out their ACL over there on a shitty contract because Gary Kleiban doesn't know what he is doing?

And if they succeed, it will be interesting to see how Gary and Brian Kleiban play a role in that. It could be great but it could be a train wreck. But to say, they are doing it because it is the goodness in their heart or they are just trying to improve the USMNT is not really accurate.

Lastly, Jermaine Jones. He isn't bashing MLS constantly, he notes they are trying. And he might personally might want to work with MLS but it might be hard to because of publicity.
As you may know, Jermaine went through a divorce. During that divorce period, he was caught at his home with a AR-15 assault rifle which was a bit of a controversy. And his wife at that time put a restraining order on him.

Jermaine did provide an explanation that he purchased it for protection. I am not suggesting that is in anyway impedes his football knowledge or experience. But it does make him a difficult hire for the public and not bigotry or racism as you suggest.

https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/02/21/jermaine...

I read the story and his explanation which I personally don't believe or at least think he is highly irresponsible because of kids. And his explanation that he asked for the easiest gun to fire is an AR-15 assault rifle, seems less then convincing.

I recognize going through a divorce is an emotional time. And his ex-wife says there was daily incidents hence the restraining order.

His explanation about buying a gun because a man searching for food was breaking into homes and a man shot in a tent, could be true. But would a reasonable man leave a gun in the foyer with knowledge that there is a man breaking into homes for food? But you don't leave an AR-15 assault rifle just laying with kids around.

If your MLS, who can you justify hiring (Jermaine as a coach) to a mom that he is someone you trust with your child? I think any club that hired him would have to be ready to face that backlash. And he states in the article he got his coaching license so he seems to want to join MLS, partly because family.

And lastly, Jones hasn't really shown an interest in coaching up until now. He states in the article that he left the Fury because he didn't want to train everyday, just wanted to show up for the games. Does that show he wants to be a coach? Look at Rooney right now as a player coach. He is taking the steps and transitioning into his next role. Vincent Kompany is another example.

I like Jermaine Jones a lot, I love his style of play. But I also have this knowledge about him. So when he says in the video MLS is freezing him out, I think partly because it is because his own actions possibly.

I think the football community really likes Jermaine as a person and respect his experience and are trying to help him. Likewise, Jermaine seems to be trying to do his part in educating youth about the business side of the league. If you are a young player working with MLS, don't sign with Rich Moskins. (Spelling, unsure.) Because if he is close with Don Garber then there is a conflict, if he represents you. And hopefully, these young players seek outside counsel.

Another take away, Jermaine Jones at about 59:00 of the podcast references that Jurgen Klinnsmen looked into the highest to the lowest league. And then Eddie and Jermaine go into how Jurgen was treated unfairly and should've had more time. So my suggestion falls into line with Eddie Johnson, Jermaine Jones, Jurgen Klinnsman so I guess we are all disrespecting the game.

So my question, did you even watch the podcast?

Samtom23
Post #113
Thursday May 14, 2020 9:07am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 220
I will cool it on Bjelks. I kinda think I have done enough on that front.

And Bjelks, thanks for the video. I actually watched part of the CP interview yesterday. And seeing the inside business experience that Jermaine and Eddie experienced is insightful. Saying that, if Kyle Duncan continues to play at a high level in MLS, I would like to see him get a call.

And I do hope Jermaine does get Demarcus Beasley on his podcast. Gladly listen or watch it.

bjelks
Post #114
Thursday May 14, 2020 2:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,499
Original post from Samtom23

Well, Bjelks. You could actually try to do something novel and respect an opinion. And when you get frustrated don't result to calling anyone the following:

a coward
a fairy (homophobic just a little)
a clown
a fanboy

You reference Jermaine Jones and if you look at is his intro, he has Herc Gomez, who you don't respect. But Jermaine seems to (respect) judging by the intro.

It is still not a top league, I never disputed that. I merely suggested that a player get a camp invite that happens to play in MLS. I provided reasons for that.

Your response was less than diplomatic. Then, you opened yourself up to the Kleiban Bros. It isn't nepotism but a definite conflict of interest, when a team is paying your salary and you steer them away from the team you are working for to work with your bro.. And I can tell you who cares, the LA Galaxy because they invested their time and resources into helping developing those players. They walked away on free transfers.

I think the Kleibans are done professionally in organized football because they broke the trust. I highly doubt any MLS team or USMNT would seriously consider hiring them.

If the reports are accurate and they do have a contract that's less than ideal, what happens, if God forbid, Uly, Alex and possibly (Kobe) blow out their ACL over there on a shitty contract because Gary Kleiban doesn't know what he is doing?

And if they succeed, it will be interesting to see how Gary and Brian Kleiban play a role in that. It could be great but it could be a train wreck. But to say, they are doing it because it is the goodness in their heart or they are just trying to improve the USMNT is not really accurate.

Lastly, Jermaine Jones. He isn't bashing MLS constantly, he notes they are trying. And he might personally might want to work with MLS but it might be hard to because of publicity.
As you may know, Jermaine went through a divorce. During that divorce period, he was caught at his home with a AR-15 assault rifle which was a bit of a controversy. And his wife at that time put a restraining order on him.

Jermaine did provide an explanation that he purchased it for protection. I am not suggesting that is in anyway impedes his football knowledge or experience. But it does make him a difficult hire for the public and not bigotry or racism as you suggest.

https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/02/21/jermaine...

I read the story and his explanation which I personally don't believe or at least think he is highly irresponsible because of kids. And his explanation that he asked for the easiest gun to fire is an AR-15 assault rifle, seems less then convincing.

I recognize going through a divorce is an emotional time. And his ex-wife says there was daily incidents hence the restraining order.

His explanation about buying a gun because a man searching for food was breaking into homes and a man shot in a tent, could be true. But would a reasonable man leave a gun in the foyer with knowledge that there is a man breaking into homes for food? But you don't leave an AR-15 assault rifle just laying with kids around.

If your MLS, who can you justify hiring (Jermaine as a coach) to a mom that he is someone you trust with your child? I think any club that hired him would have to be ready to face that backlash. And he states in the article he got his coaching license so he seems to want to join MLS, partly because family.

And lastly, Jones hasn't really shown an interest in coaching up until now. He states in the article that he left the Fury because he didn't want to train everyday, just wanted to show up for the games. Does that show he wants to be a coach? Look at Rooney right now as a player coach. He is taking the steps and transitioning into his next role. Vincent Kompany is another example.

I like Jermaine Jones a lot, I love his style of play. But I also have this knowledge about him. So when he says in the video MLS is freezing him out, I think partly because it is because his own actions possibly.

I think the football community really likes Jermaine as a person and respect his experience and are trying to help him. Likewise, Jermaine seems to be trying to do his part in educating youth about the business side of the league. If you are a young player working with MLS, don't sign with Rich Moskins. (Spelling, unsure.) Because if he is close with Don Garber then there is a conflict, if he represents you. And hopefully, these young players seek outside counsel.

Another take away, Jermaine Jones at about 59:00 of the podcast references that Jurgen Klinnsmen looked into the highest to the lowest league. And then Eddie and Jermaine go into how Jurgen was treated unfairly and should've had more time. So my suggestion falls into line with Eddie Johnson, Jermaine Jones, Jurgen Klinnsman so I guess we are all disrespecting the game.

So my question, did you even watch the podcast?


I only use words to describe how people actually act.
Coward for being passive aggressive
Fairy for being soft/ sensitive
Clown for saying things that aren't true
A fanboy for asking to give mls players chances over guys that are much proven
I'm not tolerating disrespect from any platform or anybody

I can agree with Jermaine and not Herc or vice versa
Herc seems to bend over backwards for sum often
Jermaine understands that Herc has a strong position in media and may want to use him as an ally bc of it

I still don't believe you provided a valid reason for disrespecting the team and the game by intentionally giving mls players opportunities over top league players
I think it shows lack of understanding of the game on your part and you guessed it fanboyism
If you think you should look over known better players for mls players, just because you like mls I'm gonna have a hard time finding you credible

I don't give a shit about how you or the mls feel about the Kleibans
They are 2 of the best player developers and soccer minds this country has ever seen and Brian lost his job because he was honest with players about the quality of mls For player development

You don't know the Kleibans to question their hearts or passion for the game
If you listen to Brian speak, you can tell he's easily the most intelligent us soccer mind you've ever heard
And it is a fact that playing in top academies and reserve teams in Germany and Holland is better for developing top young players than mls and their goal is to bring us soccer to world standards

I'm just gonna say this, it's a punk move to bring up Jermaine's legal issues and question his desire to coach
At the end of the day, he has all his badges and he has far more experience as a player than most of the good ole boys that have been given jobs by mls and ussf
Jermaine has been frozen out simply because he speaks his mind and when you do that in this country you get frozen out, like Hugo Perez, like Geoff Cameron, like EJ
Mls/ USSF is a dirty ass mob and have no integrity
But feel how you wanna feel about it.
I know you're gonna take the Make America great again perspective

Juergen made a lot of mistakes
He left Landon out of the WC for Wondo, he played Morales at RW, he left out Danny Williams for Beckerman etc
Juergen didn't have the top level talent to choose from that we have now, so he did what he did
I don't agree with a lot of things Juergen did, but he was nowhere near the level of incompetence and nepotism of Arena and Gregg

I have not once bashed mls, did you even read anything I've written?
There's nothing I've said about mls that isn't true
JJ and EJ listed all these things mls could do better then said "they're trying" to put a bow on it
Lol we approached mls the same way
They just happen to want to leave the door open for a job, but know it's unlikely because of all the corrupt practices they've exposed in mls

I could be more diplomatic but I have a problem with men being passive aggressive
You clearly know I watched the video then tried to make a subtle jab by insinuating I didn't before speaking on it
For that, again I'm going to call you a clown for saying something you know isn't true and a fairy for displaying passive aggressiveness
goalsense
bjelks
Post #115
Thursday May 14, 2020 2:47pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,499
Original post from Samtom23

I will cool it on Bjelks. I kinda think I have done enough on that front.

And Bjelks, thanks for the video. I actually watched part of the CP interview yesterday. And seeing the inside business experience that Jermaine and Eddie experienced is insightful. Saying that, if Kyle Duncan continues to play at a high level in MLS, I would like to see him get a call.

And I do hope Jermaine does get Demarcus Beasley on his podcast. Gladly listen or watch it.


Kyle Dunacan has never been an mls all star or mls best 11.
Kyle is behind Dest, Yedlin, Chandler and Cannon for the RB spot.
At least Arujo is still a youth national team player, Duncan is almost 23.
How the hell can any sensible and credible soccer mind say he deserves a shot over 4 clearly better players? 2 of which are younger than him.
This is a prime example of fanboy decision making
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #116
Thursday May 14, 2020 2:55pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,220
I think for the established players the break was a good thing (Adams and Pulisic are 100%???) and Sargent and Bremen needed a break.... but especially with the DA closing and everything up in the air, I worry that a lot of the strides that were being made at the mid level (MLS and the youth players about to be pros)- well it's a strange time.

As for our starting XI- looks like Reyna could get some serious time this weekend. No witsel, can or Reus, that's a lot of star power out and McKennie on the other side needs to take advantage and dominate. If he wants a transfer I guarantee he will never have a better chance to make an impression. I feel like the TV ratings for this game could very well be like a champions league final depending on how it's distributed. Both Reyna and McKennie stand to benefit but it's more make or break for McKennie than Reyna.

Concacaf World Cup qualifying is going to change so it's important when the games come back our players show well and play well at their clubs. There's only so much time and Gregg is really going to rely on previous performances when there haven't been any new ones to evaluate.

Lilshmike
Post #117
Thursday May 14, 2020 6:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,368
Original post from bjelks

I only use words to describe how people actually act.
Coward for being passive aggressive
Fairy for being soft/ sensitive
Clown for saying things that aren't true
A fanboy for asking to give mls players chances over guys that are much proven
I'm not tolerating disrespect from any platform or anybody

I can agree with Jermaine and not Herc or vice versa
Herc seems to bend over backwards for sum often
Jermaine understands that Herc has a strong position in media and may want to use him as an ally bc of it

I still don't believe you provided a valid reason for disrespecting the team and the game by intentionally giving mls players opportunities over top league players
I think it shows lack of understanding of the game on your part and you guessed it fanboyism
If you think you should look over known better players for mls players, just because you like mls I'm gonna have a hard time finding you credible

I don't give a shit about how you or the mls feel about the Kleibans
They are 2 of the best player developers and soccer minds this country has ever seen and Brian lost his job because he was honest with players about the quality of mls For player development

You don't know the Kleibans to question their hearts or passion for the game
If you listen to Brian speak, you can tell he's easily the most intelligent us soccer mind you've ever heard
And it is a fact that playing in top academies and reserve teams in Germany and Holland is better for developing top young players than mls and their goal is to bring us soccer to world standards

I'm just gonna say this, it's a punk move to bring up Jermaine's legal issues and question his desire to coach
At the end of the day, he has all his badges and he has far more experience as a player than most of the good ole boys that have been given jobs by mls and ussf
Jermaine has been frozen out simply because he speaks his mind and when you do that in this country you get frozen out, like Hugo Perez, like Geoff Cameron, like EJ
Mls/ USSF is a dirty ass mob and have no integrity
But feel how you wanna feel about it.
I know you're gonna take the Make America great again perspective

Juergen made a lot of mistakes
He left Landon out of the WC for Wondo, he played Morales at RW, he left out Danny Williams for Beckerman etc
Juergen didn't have the top level talent to choose from that we have now, so he did what he did
I don't agree with a lot of things Juergen did, but he was nowhere near the level of incompetence and nepotism of Arena and Gregg

I have not once bashed mls, did you even read anything I've written?
There's nothing I've said about mls that isn't true
JJ and EJ listed all these things mls could do better then said "they're trying" to put a bow on it
Lol we approached mls the same way
They just happen to want to leave the door open for a job, but know it's unlikely because of all the corrupt practices they've exposed in mls

I could be more diplomatic but I have a problem with men being passive aggressive
You clearly know I watched the video then tried to make a subtle jab by insinuating I didn't before speaking on it
For that, again I'm going to call you a clown for saying something you know isn't true and a fairy for displaying passive aggressiveness
Hahahahaha it never ceases to amaze me how ridiculous your posts are...

Even after being called out multiple times for rejecting any opposing opinion by labeling the person a fanboy or MLS lover... you continue to double down and call everyone fansboys and MLS lovers hahaha. Not having a civil point, casual disagreement, or rebuttal using facts... simply attacking the other person with name calling and nonsense. Your backwards logic and complete hypocrisy is unparalleled on this site.

This is great stuff. Keep it up.

Lilshmike
Post #118
Thursday May 14, 2020 6:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,368
Original post from hamsamwich

I think for the established players the break was a good thing (Adams and Pulisic are 100%???) and Sargent and Bremen needed a break.... but especially with the DA closing and everything up in the air, I worry that a lot of the strides that were being made at the mid level (MLS and the youth players about to be pros)- well it's a strange time.

As for our starting XI- looks like Reyna could get some serious time this weekend. No witsel, can or Reus, that's a lot of star power out and McKennie on the other side needs to take advantage and dominate. If he wants a transfer I guarantee he will never have a better chance to make an impression. I feel like the TV ratings for this game could very well be like a champions league final depending on how it's distributed. Both Reyna and McKennie stand to benefit but it's more make or break for McKennie than Reyna.

Concacaf World Cup qualifying is going to change so it's important when the games come back our players show well and play well at their clubs. There's only so much time and Gregg is really going to rely on previous performances when there haven't been any new ones to evaluate.
Holmes, Weah, Miazga (if I remember correctly), Pulisic, Adams, I think McKennie had some little issues as well (if I remember correctly), Jozy, Yedlin was coming back from injury...

I think this came at just the right time. No real worries about not getting gametime or "lost development". Nobody is getting game time right now, so pretty much the entire world is on the same playing field to that respect. Its a non issue.

Having a bit of a break to rest and recover, spend some time with family, is a positive in my mind. Take your mind off the game and come back focused down the stretch of the season. This could also be a positive for the younger guys... because its reasonable to assume that being younger with a younger body, you may have a bit more pep in your step when compared to some of the older players. The increased substitutions could play a role too...

whyneverme
Post #119
Thursday May 14, 2020 6:28pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 75
@bjelks RE: "I don't think anyone gives a shit that Gregg is Jay's brother
People give a shit that Gregg has been a subpar club Coach and isn't qualified for the job.
People give a shit that Gregg ignores better players that play in higher levels than mls because he wants to promote mls, which is an inferior league".

I understand your skepticism in the appointment of Gregg B as coach and will grant that his club coaching career is not of a pedigree one might expect for a national team. I also share some of your frustrations at some of the player selection over the years.
However, I am unable to follow the logic that a coach would ever select players that he thinks don't give a team the best chance to succeed. If the team fails, the coach fails and thus hurts the coach's long term career options. Also, I don't follow the logic that if the national team fails (as it has a track record of) the MLS succeeds, as long as it does so with MLS players. The better the natonal team performs, regardless of who is playing for it, the more interest the game garners domestically which would help MLS. We've seen the opposite (your opinions have adequately expressed exactly) why lack of national team success actually diminishes interest in MLS.
I would propose that there may be other factors why players are, or are not, selected beyond which leagues they are playing.

Samtom23
Post #120
Friday May 15, 2020 1:10am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 220
I am most interested to see Adams. Prior to injury, he was becoming the captain of team. After coming back he hasn't been the same player (two or three games, I believe). I hope the lay off has given him time to heal fully and get the confidence back.

If I remember correctly, Bremen plays Leverseken. I hope to see Sargent and on the opposite side, Leverseken's striker, I saw in his last match and he seemed to be dangerous, if given the slightest of chances.

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