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Samtom23
Post #391
Monday July 27, 2020 8:09pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 560
Original post from bjelks

Interesting thoughts on Chris Richards by Kleiban. He said 1st team mins or not, he's clearly better than Long, Zman, and Ream right now and he can handle concacaf with his eyes closed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzkb7Lw6KA

@Samtom23 Konrad is another level from Morris and Arriola because of his technical ability and quality on the ball. You don't have to take my word for it, but the difference between casuals and knowledgeable soccer Monda is understanding that.


He isn't a finished product (Konrad) we will see where he is at a year later. Richards has more of an argument but CB's need experience. I would say Richards is more advanced at this stage of his career than Konrad. I still have Morris, Uly and Weah (assuming full recovery) above Konrad.

hamsamwich
Post #392
Friday August 7, 2020 12:10am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,638
Brooks with a needless red card yesterday which really hurt Wolfsburg chances as the game was still scoreless. I'm not saying he isn't ahead of Ream (obviously) or Long (duh) or EPB (untried), or Richards (he will get his chance soon enough) or even McKenzie (if he gets that move?).... just that Brooks is an area of obvious upgrade if we are to improve at international level. And he's the best we have. I see a starting 5-6/11 and that's including Brooks. It's easy to criticize Gregg (I have and will) but without the horses he ain't winning the derby.

blaise213
Post #393
Friday August 7, 2020 1:13am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,338
Original post from bjelks

Interesting thoughts on Chris Richards by Kleiban. He said 1st team mins or not, he's clearly better than Long, Zman, and Ream right now and he can handle concacaf with his eyes closed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzkb7Lw6KA

@Samtom23 Konrad is another level from Morris and Arriola because of his technical ability and quality on the ball. You don't have to take my word for it, but the difference between casuals and knowledgeable soccer Monda is understanding that.


I actually committed 12 mins to that video. Agree Richards is a starter.

Also when he brought up Sergino Dest, reminds me how I was calling for him as a starter before most people heard of him! I need a "told ya so" trophy

Dave
Post #394
Friday August 7, 2020 1:37am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,185
@hamsamwich - While the red card in yesterdays game was needless and probably did hurt his clubs chances....you are 100% right when you say "he's the best we have" at CB. We've got 3 classifications of CB's at the moment:
1) Veterans - Consisting of Brooks, Long, Ream, & Alvarado. These are the CB's who are at the prime age range for CBs (27-32), and all are seeing consistent minutes for their clubs.
2) Young Professionals - Consisting of Miazga, CCV, EPB & M. Robinson. Consistent starters for their clubs, but young enough that they're still gaining situational experience. Unfortunately Gregg seems resistant to using them for the Sr. National Team.
3) Prospects - Richards, etc.... Players who could be be international caliber CB's but need to make a change at the club level (A step up in league, be a 1st team player, play consistently, etc...). Their time will come at some point, but Gregg will have to move away from Long & Ream for them to have a real chance.
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Outside of the Veteran category only Miazga & M. Robinson has seen anything close to resembling semi regular call-ups for camps. This may have to change considering all the international games slated for 2021...but I'm not holding my breath.
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I criticize Gregg for his continued determination to ride dead horses (Roldan, Bradley, Ream, Lovitz, etc....) when there have been other options that could have been tried/evaluated. We'll never have the horses to win the derby....if Gregg doesn't try new ponies to replace the dead horses he's been using.

Samtom23
Post #395
Friday August 7, 2020 6:40am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 560
Original post from blaise213

I actually committed 12 mins to that video. Agree Richards is a starter.

Also when he brought up Sergino Dest, reminds me how I was calling for him as a starter before most people heard of him! I need a "told ya so" trophy


I don't think he is a starter just yet. I think he needs to come to camp and see how he actually does. He also needs experience just like Sergino. We all saw how Sergino got skint in the Mexico game. I don't think anyone wants to see that learning process in a World Cup game or Qualifier. Hopefully he makes that jump this year and becomes the starter in 2022.

https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/who-is-chris-...

Kudos of respect to Eric Quill for not holding this kid's future up trying to make a buck for himself.

Samtom23
Post #396
Friday August 7, 2020 7:13am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 560
Original post from Dave

@hamsamwich - While the red card in yesterdays game was needless and probably did hurt his clubs chances....you are 100% right when you say "he's the best we have" at CB. We've got 3 classifications of CB's at the moment:
1) Veterans - Consisting of Brooks, Long, Ream, & Alvarado. These are the CB's who are at the prime age range for CBs (27-32), and all are seeing consistent minutes for their clubs.
2) Young Professionals - Consisting of Miazga, CCV, EPB & M. Robinson. Consistent starters for their clubs, but young enough that they're still gaining situational experience. Unfortunately Gregg seems resistant to using them for the Sr. National Team.
3) Prospects - Richards, etc.... Players who could be be international caliber CB's but need to make a change at the club level (A step up in league, be a 1st team player, play consistently, etc...). Their time will come at some point, but Gregg will have to move away from Long & Ream for them to have a real chance.
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Outside of the Veteran category only Miazga & M. Robinson has seen anything close to resembling semi regular call-ups for camps. This may have to change considering all the international games slated for 2021...but I'm not holding my breath.
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I criticize Gregg for his continued determination to ride dead horses (Roldan, Bradley, Ream, Lovitz, etc....) when there have been other options that could have been tried/evaluated. We'll never have the horses to win the derby....if Gregg doesn't try new ponies to replace the dead horses he's been using.


In agreement with most of this. Especially about the dead horses, I hope not to see Ream, Lovitz, Roldan or Bradley. I am thinking about our midfield options to break it down like you did.

1) Veterans-Bradley, Morales, Trapp, Lleget, maybe you consider Nagbe but he isn't part of the equation in my eyes.

2) Young professionals-mainly you got Weston and Adams. If I miss anyone please feel free to add to it.

3) Prospects- Reyna, Ledezema, Aaronson, Pomykal. Some may argue Reyna should be a winger but I disagree but acknowledge the opinion.

I think the prospects are the way to go for us. I love watching Reyna, Ledezma and Aaronson. I think Ledezma is very much a finesse player and was clearly playing above his level last year. I really want to see how he does against older competition.

Lilshmike
Post #397
Friday August 7, 2020 3:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,576
Original post from blaise213

I actually committed 12 mins to that video. Agree Richards is a starter.

Also when he brought up Sergino Dest, reminds me how I was calling for him as a starter before most people heard of him! I need a "told ya so" trophy
Yeah, but to be fair, you shout out so many random names that it means nothing.

Of course if you advocate for 40 different random young players in Europe over the course of multiple years, at least one of them will come good. Thats just the law of large numbers.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...

cudevil
Post #398
Friday August 7, 2020 6:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,206
Original post from Lilshmike

Yeah, but to be fair, you shout out so many random names that it means nothing.

Of course if you advocate for 40 different random young players in Europe over the course of multiple years, at least one of them will come good. Thats just the law of large numbers.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...


Not really sure he deserves credit for anything. Calling for a 16-17 year old in the reserves to start immediately when he wasn't ready, then having that kid get called in after another 2 years or so of development when he is more ready at least isn't exactly apples to apples.

hamsamwich
Post #399
Friday August 7, 2020 10:37pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,638
I question the depth all across the board @dave. I get the criticisms of Gregg- I've made the same or similar statements especially regarding Trapp and a few others. However, I'm looking forward to this qualification process and subsequent World Cup as a chance to get some credibility back. I don't see us truly competing and that's reflected in everyone's disagreements over the current XI. There's usually a few spots where we all disagree but this time it's pretty much the whole roster. Favoritism and the way the hiring went set the tone so it's hard to tell people they are wrong who say Roldan and Morris or whoever else from MLS are just some insider deal. I wait for the day in about 3-4 years we can confidently exclude an Antonee Robinson and it's no big deal. As long as we get our credibility level up in the next 2 years I've decided I'm fine with that. The pressure on guys like Pulisic to do too much to overcompensate for scrubs is at an all time high. I'm waiting until he has legit help to get worked up about it. The fact Earnie and Gregg have us attempting to turn into an attacking team is a good starting point.

Dave
Post #400
Saturday August 8, 2020 1:05am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,185
Original post from Samtom23

In agreement with most of this. Especially about the dead horses, I hope not to see Ream, Lovitz, Roldan or Bradley. I am thinking about our midfield options to break it down like you did.

1) Veterans-Bradley, Morales, Trapp, Lleget, maybe you consider Nagbe but he isn't part of the equation in my eyes.

2) Young professionals-mainly you got Weston and Adams. If I miss anyone please feel free to add to it.

3) Prospects- Reyna, Ledezema, Aaronson, Pomykal. Some may argue Reyna should be a winger but I disagree but acknowledge the opinion.

I think the prospects are the way to go for us. I love watching Reyna, Ledezma and Aaronson. I think Ledezma is very much a finesse player and was clearly playing above his level last year. I really want to see how he does against older competition.

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If breaking down CMs (CDM, B-to-B, & ACMs) it's a little more complicated, as I think there is a 4th category that players could/should be pooled in....Namely a group that are "Place Holders" while some of the prospects gain experience. The place holders are good enough for CONCACAF (except Mexico)...but probably lack ability to be real upgrades.
1) Veterans - Bradley, Morales, Nagbe (Agree he's not a real option).
2) Young Professionals - McKennie & Adams....when healthy inked into the starting XI.
3) Place Holders - Yueill, Holmes, Green, Lletget, Roldan
4) Prospects - Ledezma, Aaronson, Pomykal, Durkin, T. Tillman, Booth, Cappis, & Otasowie (also a CB).
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Vassilev & Reyna are players that could ultimately develop into CMs, but right now I'm projecting them out wide where there is a bit more need and less defensive responsibility. There are some other names/options out there to be considered for prospects, but I can't remember/list them all.
Trapp for me is a dead horse that should not be part of the discussion. He's not a veteran and has already proven he's not good enough to be a "Place Holder".
Nagbe is good enough to be in the discussion...but he'll need to really commit to being part of the team....and I don't believe he will.

Dave
Post #401
Saturday August 8, 2020 1:42am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,185
Original post from hamsamwich

I question the depth all across the board @dave. I get the criticisms of Gregg- I've made the same or similar statements especially regarding Trapp and a few others. However, I'm looking forward to this qualification process and subsequent World Cup as a chance to get some credibility back. I don't see us truly competing and that's reflected in everyone's disagreements over the current XI. There's usually a few spots where we all disagree but this time it's pretty much the whole roster. Favoritism and the way the hiring went set the tone so it's hard to tell people they are wrong who say Roldan and Morris or whoever else from MLS are just some insider deal. I wait for the day in about 3-4 years we can confidently exclude an Antonee Robinson and it's no big deal. As long as we get our credibility level up in the next 2 years I've decided I'm fine with that. The pressure on guys like Pulisic to do too much to overcompensate for scrubs is at an all time high. I'm waiting until he has legit help to get worked up about it. The fact Earnie and Gregg have us attempting to turn into an attacking team is a good starting point.

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I'm looking forward to the qualifiers as well....I'm just a little more pessimistic about which players Gregg will turn to for his rosters. After the disaster that was the 2018 Cycle we needed to reinvent ourselves and should have turned over 99% of the player pool. Especially those who were most notably linked to the failure....of which Bradley, Guzan, Brooks, Yedlin Pulisic & Jozy are left....
Of the 6 remaining from 2018:
2 are what I'd call Inked starters (Brook & Pulisic)....
2 are worthy of being in the discussion of the 23 (Yedlin & Jozy) - but are on a tight leash.
2 should have acknowledged their failure and retired from the international game (Bradly & Guzan) but didn't.
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While I didn't care for Dave S as the manager....he did leave all the vets at home and tried out tons of young players. Gregg should have built off the pool Dave was using, but instead he recalled a number of washed up veterans (Bradley, Ream, Guzan, etc...) ....and the MLS guys from his 1st camp in charge. He's been slow to change out players who've proven they aren't international quality (lovitz, Roldan, Baird, etc...).
When the international games return, if Gregg doesn't take full advantage of the young emerging talent at his disposal I think we're all going to be very board and disappointed in the performances....and I think that while we may qualify for the WC, we may not past the 1st game.

blaise213
Post #402
Sunday August 9, 2020 9:48am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,338
Malik Tillman and Konrad both on the first team of two of the biggest clubs in the world, sorry but that's an automatic start for me regardless if they didn't play.

- Sargent -
- Gio - Tillman-
CP - Adams - De la fuente
Robinson - JB - Richards - Dest
-- Keeper -

I still put Holmes instead of Adams but you know. Plus Id be curious to see Folarin Balogun up top

Samtom23
Post #403
Sunday August 9, 2020 10:44am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 560
Weah

CP. Morris

Reyna. Aaronson. Adams

Robinson. Brooks. Robinson Dest

Steffen

I can see where Weston or Adams get pushed out in the next two years.

bjelks
Post #404
Sunday August 9, 2020 4:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,995
I can count on @Samtom23 to have no idea what he's talking about and go out of his way to hype up mls players over top level players lol.

Listen to someone who knows more about football than you drag Morris for not being good enough for the nats.

https://twitter.com/3four3/status/12914279379...
goalsense
Dave
Post #405
Sunday August 9, 2020 8:16pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,185
Considering all the emerging talent it's difficult predict who's going to be the best option for the starting XI. However, there are two formations & groups I'd like to see tried in the near future during a friendly so we can test a couple extra players.
4-2-3-1
--------------Sargent-----------
--Pulisic--------Aaronson------Reyna--
------McKennie--------Adams-------
-A.Robinson----Brooks----Miazga----Dest-
-------------Steffen-------------
Bench: Weah, Morris, Holmes, CCV, EPB,
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3-4-3
---Pulisic-------Sargent-----Reyna---
A. Robinson---McKennie----Adams---Dest
------CCV------Brooks----Miazga----
--------------Horvath-----------
Bench: Weah, Morris, EPB, Pomykal, Alvarado,
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I'd like to see Uli, Ferreira, Green, Morales and some of the others called into camps to keep them in the conversation and insure that the best options available for selection.
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I get that people want to see De La Torre, Richards, and others....but regardless of their making the bench for their super clubs, until they at least start getting on the field in some kind of rotation they don't make the cut for me.

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