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Post #301
Sunday July 12, 2020 9:00pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 40
I think Uli will end up being better than Weah. Weah is fast but needs to work on his touch certainly in my 23 when healthy, but even in his 1 appearance Uli touch was good, only going to get better if he gets 1st team mins.

Holmes will be fine, I forget the game he got about 10 mins for the Nats but the touch he showed in the box on a 50 yard pass was something we need. He is better inside and has been playing out wide lately for club, that is not his best spot.

For me Green needs to be in the conversation as well-he has developed a niche playing in the middle as well.

bjelks
Post #302
Monday July 13, 2020 12:37am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
Original post from Pstkeeper

While I am definitely in favor of young players getting their chances and taking advantage of their opportunities, having Reyna in a starting line up for our National Team in a competitive match tomorrow means there is something wrong with our pool of attacking players.


Lol that doesn't make any sense.
It means that our attacking options are better than they ever have been before.
When is the last time we had a 17 yr old worth 15 million? Never
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #303
Monday July 13, 2020 2:07am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from bjelks

Based on the team values which is usually how football clubs are rated objectively, the talent is better than most MLS teams. Barca 2 are valued higher than the mls champs, Bayern 2 are valued at slightly less than.

On the same accord, you don't have any evidence that top mls team can beat top euro academy teams.
An example of how big academy players compare to mls is Uly started a game a USMNT game as an academy player and was better than a natl team full of mls vets.


I agree raw talent, but your forgetting all the intangibles like veteran savvy. I never said that an MLS team could beat them because I don't know. I was just pointing out to you that you make a lot of statements as if they are fact when in fact you don't know. It makes your point seem less valid which is a shame because at times, you have some really good points to make.

Samtom23
Post #304
Monday July 13, 2020 8:42am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 351
Original post from bjelks

Based on the team values which is usually how football clubs are rated objectively, the talent is better than most MLS teams. Barca 2 are valued higher than the mls champs, Bayern 2 are valued at slightly less than.

On the same accord, you don't have any evidence that top mls team can beat top euro academy teams.
An example of how big academy players compare to mls is Uly started a game a USMNT game as an academy player and was better than a natl team full of mls vets.


My response

https://www.goal.com/en/news/rostov-keeper-se...

cudevil
Post #305
Monday July 13, 2020 1:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,049
Original post from Pstkeeper

While I am definitely in favor of young players getting their chances and taking advantage of their opportunities, having Reyna in a starting line up for our National Team in a competitive match tomorrow means there is something wrong with our pool of attacking players.


How's that? He's regular off the bench at Dortmund, and probably has a very good shot to start next year at 17-18 years old once Sancho is sold. Reyna wouldn't be starting due to potential...he'd have earned it by any metric you want. I mean, did you have the same concern when Pulisic was given the nod with the Nats?

bjelks
Post #306
Monday July 13, 2020 1:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I agree raw talent, but your forgetting all the intangibles like veteran savvy. I never said that an MLS team could beat them because I don't know. I was just pointing out to you that you make a lot of statements as if they are fact when in fact you don't know. It makes your point seem less valid which is a shame because at times, you have some really good points to make.


I guess I'm saying we can't say conclusively that a top mls
side can or cannot beat a top euro academy team, so my claim that the academy team possibly can beat them is not crazy based on team values.

I've been raising this question since I've been on the boards...At what point can veteran savvy not overtake skill and athleticism? I think in a game as physical as football, savvy can be overrated when skill and physical ability aren't present.
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Pstkeeper
Post #307
Tuesday July 14, 2020 3:42pm

Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts: 24
Glad I was able to give you a good laugh. So, if we had a World Cup qualifier next week against Costa Rica, you would start Reyna? Would that be based on his 15 million valuation on the transfer market, the 343 minutes of first team football he has played for Dortmund or that you just believe he is good enough?

I would not start him and it concerns me that every time we have a young player who is just beginning to break through in his club career, people think he needs to be starting on the men's National Team at the age of 17. We seem to be the only country who finds this to be necessary and that to me is not a sign of strength in our attacking options. You don't see the Germans, French, English, Brazilians, etc.. waiting for the next 17 year old to break through at the club level so they can start on their men's National Team.

bjelks
Post #308
Tuesday July 14, 2020 4:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
@Pstkeeper Gio Reyna is our 2nd best attacker right now and it's not even close. He has the 2nd biggest club profile, he's made the 2nd biggest impact at the highest level, he's the 2nd highest rated attacker we have by world standards. I don't even know what the discussion is at this point.

Only Americans care about age. Everywhere else believes if you're good enough you're old enough. Neymar made his debut for Brazil at 18 and scored against USA lol. Then at 19 he started in Copa America and was Brazil's best player. Mbappe won the Golden ball at the World Cup at 19 and started in qualification at 18.

Both of these guys had less top level experience than Gio at 17. I hope this helps you understand how much better Gio is than the other attacking options not named CP.
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hamsamwich
Post #309
Tuesday July 14, 2020 4:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,309
Our attacking pool is definitely weak- and another thing- betting on any of CP, Weah, Adams, McKennie, Morris to stay healthy is a tough bet. None of them have shown that yet.

Pstkeeper
Post #310
Tuesday July 14, 2020 5:12pm

Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts: 24
@bjelks Got it, thanks! Let's hope your right and Reyna is the next Neymar or Mbappe, that would be great for us.

Spank
661
Post #311
Tuesday July 14, 2020 6:05pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 138
Original post from Pstkeeper

@bjelks Got it, thanks! Let's hope your right and Reyna is the next Neymar or Mbappe, that would be great for us.


The world has gone mad! When did we become so talented that a Dortmund bench player isn't good enough to start for the NT? I'm sure most of you remember the excitement when dual-nationals switched to the US and we were ecstatic about having them in the starting line up. If i remember correctly, none of those players played for a team as prestigious as Dotrmund. Maybe Jones for Schalke, but that is just one player.

cudevil
Post #312
Tuesday July 14, 2020 6:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,049
Original post from bjelks

@Pstkeeper Gio Reyna is our 2nd best attacker right now and it's not even close. He has the 2nd biggest club profile, he's made the 2nd biggest impact at the highest level, he's the 2nd highest rated attacker we have by world standards. I don't even know what the discussion is at this point.

Only Americans care about age. Everywhere else believes if you're good enough you're old enough. Neymar made his debut for Brazil at 18 and scored against USA lol. Then at 19 he started in Copa America and was Brazil's best player. Mbappe won the Golden ball at the World Cup at 19 and started in qualification at 18.

Both of these guys had less top level experience than Gio at 17. I hope this helps you understand how much better Gio is than the other attacking options not named CP.


de Ligt was starting for the Netherlands in significant Euro qualifiers with a similar club resume to Reyna. (de Ligt was a touch older though).

bjelks
Post #313
Tuesday July 14, 2020 8:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
Original post from hamsamwich

Our attacking pool is definitely weak- and another thing- betting on any of CP, Weah, Adams, McKennie, Morris to stay healthy is a tough bet. None of them have shown that yet.


I'd argue that our attacking quality is as good as it's ever been. Look at the club resumes, look at the player values, look at all the top league and CL experience we have. I'll take my chances with the guys we have today against anyone in the world win, lose or draw. Excluding Morris, all our top options can play at a high technical Standard.
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hamsamwich
Post #314
Tuesday July 14, 2020 10:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,309
It is as good as it's been. That means squat compared to the other teams. And taking our chances is what will happen. But we aren't rated super highly for a reason. We aren't deep and our defenders suck.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #315
Wednesday July 15, 2020 12:33am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,567
I would say our attacking talent is pretty unproven besides Pulisic and Morris. The rest are young and just starting to get significant minutes. I don't think our attacking pool sucks at all. Our defense is coming along too. Dest, Brooks, Cannon, Long, EPB, Both Robinson's. There are some good pieces. Bit Adams and Mckennie are developing very good and have become integral players for their clubs. We are missing a bit more in midfield but I think Pomykal, Nagbe, Ledezma, and Cappis will help.

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