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bjelks
Post #286
Saturday July 11, 2020 7:34pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

I used Scally for reference because he's going to a champions league club. Tyler Adams, Weston McKennie we raised in the MLS academy system. So was Gio who literally spent five minutes in BvBs academy, so it seems like nycfc is due some credit. I'll throw in Weah as the lone player developed outside the USA, at PSG- but even he spent years in America learning his trade. Throw in Pulisic and Sargent- "you'll take those front 6 against country"... and what??? They're gonna be better than everyone else? Come on. Especially after saying americans are deluded count yourself in. I maybe Adams biggest fan (Sargent too) but that's a ridiculous comment. You would not take them against any team in the world. That can't be true. I like all those guys and think they play with pride and they respect the badge but there's just no way. Not only that you need all XI in soccer and we really have no defenders.


I don't know how to give a pro club credit for a player that's never played for their pro team, maybe the academy.

But the reserves at Bayern and Barca would beat most if not all mls teams on any given day
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hamsamwich
Post #287
Sunday July 12, 2020 2:18am

Joined Oct 2013
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We don't have enough talent to compete with the best I disagree. We all know my affinity for Sargent, but how many goals did he score. He just missed a sitter after doing the hard work. I don't see it.

hamsamwich
Post #288
Sunday July 12, 2020 2:19am

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Also Weah can't be in a current XI until he plays a game.

bjelks
Post #289
Sunday July 12, 2020 3:17am

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Original post from hamsamwich

We don't have enough talent to compete with the best I disagree. We all know my affinity for Sargent, but how many goals did he score. He just missed a sitter after doing the hard work. I don't see it.


That's fine, I just don't agree you're qualified to credibly evaluate talent. All I'm doing is telling you based on the level that are top players play at and even the quality of our role players and reserves we can play against anyone in the world and beat them on any given day.
If you look at the value of our players, that compare to very good top class players and I think that's hard for you to receive bc it requires you to learn more about how the rest of the world sees the game.

For example, scoring goals is about chances, technique, instincts, and composure.
I think it's very casual to evaluate a striker just by the goals he scores and not how he handles his situations.
That's like you telling me that a player like Morris has a better chance to score against Brazil than Konrad bc he's scored against Cuba and Canada, when Konrad has scored against and plays for a more valuable team than Cuba and Canada outside of David and Davies who are outliers.
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bjelks
Post #290
Sunday July 12, 2020 3:25am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from hamsamwich

Also Weah can't be in a current XI until he plays a game.


IMO did you feel the same way about Morris after he was gifted a spot in the team after an 18 month layoff lol?

It just seems like a double standard to me that Jordan can miss 18 months and you're ok believing his ability good is enough to keep in the team, but Weah has a 3-4 month layoff and Weah is more proven at a higher level, but you wanna bring up his injury history as a disqualifier.
It's kinda funny to me
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #291
Sunday July 12, 2020 1:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from bjelks

IMO did you feel the same way about Morris after he was gifted a spot in the team after an 18 month layoff lol?

It just seems like a double standard to me that Jordan can miss 18 months and you're ok believing his ability good is enough to keep in the team, but Weah has a 3-4 month layoff and Weah is more proven at a higher level, but you wanna bring up his injury history as a disqualifier.
It's kinda funny to me


Agreed, I have no problem with Weah getting called in.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #292
Sunday July 12, 2020 1:25pm

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Original post from bjelks

I don't know how to give a pro club credit for a player that's never played for their pro team, maybe the academy.

But the reserves at Bayern and Barca would beat most if not all mls teams on any given day


And you know this how? I am not saying they wouldn't but your again making statements about what you don't know as if they are fact.

hamsamwich
Post #293
Sunday July 12, 2020 1:58pm

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Dude Weah hasn't played in forever. Yes I did about Morris. He had to play more than a bit for me to say he was healthy to be in a "current XI".... In fact once again I'll say it- the guy really isn't a winger. But Weah isn't either. Even Reyna has been playing thru the middle 50% of the time. So basically we hold out hope for Llanez (or Konrad sure) as the other winger across from CP. I don't care if you don't think I can rate players- I'm pretty sure your blanket statements and similar posts to every topic are more enlightening. This is the current XI- not what I am looking for at the 2022 Qatar World Cup.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #294
Sunday July 12, 2020 3:24pm

Joined Jul 2012
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After watching Nagbe last night I am starting him in the midfield with McKennie and Adams. Berhalter needs to get Nagbe back in the USMNT.

bjelks
Post #295
Sunday July 12, 2020 5:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Kamphgruppe

And you know this how? I am not saying they wouldn't but your again making statements about what you don't know as if they are fact.


Based on the team values which is usually how football clubs are rated objectively, the talent is better than most MLS teams. Barca 2 are valued higher than the mls champs, Bayern 2 are valued at slightly less than.

On the same accord, you don't have any evidence that top mls team can beat top euro academy teams.
An example of how big academy players compare to mls is Uly started a game a USMNT game as an academy player and was better than a natl team full of mls vets.
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bjelks
Post #296
Sunday July 12, 2020 5:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from hamsamwich

Dude Weah hasn't played in forever. Yes I did about Morris. He had to play more than a bit for me to say he was healthy to be in a "current XI".... In fact once again I'll say it- the guy really isn't a winger. But Weah isn't either. Even Reyna has been playing thru the middle 50% of the time. So basically we hold out hope for Llanez (or Konrad sure) as the other winger across from CP. I don't care if you don't think I can rate players- I'm pretty sure your blanket statements and similar posts to every topic are more enlightening. This is the current XI- not what I am looking for at the 2022 Qatar World Cup.


To correct you, Weah played 5 months ago. The funny thing is you believe Morris is a current 11 member bc he's been healthy longer than Weah, but not because he's better at playing the game. Not sure what "blanket statements", you're referring to but I'm happy to discuss the supporting evidence behind my statements.

I do agree with you that Uly or Konrad Could be the other winger, but I don't think we should count Weah out.
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Dave
Post #297
Sunday July 12, 2020 6:56pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,057
bjelks - At the end of the day, if everyone was healthy and we were to have a competitive game tomorrow; than not one of the 3 of Morris, Weah, or Uli should be in the starting XI. Morris, Weah, Uli, Boyd & Ferreira are going to have to fight it out for the back-up attacking rolls.
Starting attackers...Sargent/Jozy, Pulisic, Reyna;
Starting Midfield: Adams, McKennie, Holmes.
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As much as I like Uli and was impressed with him in his lone USMNT game....until he starts getting 1st team minutes with his club he's further down the depth chart than the other 4.

bjelks
Post #298
Sunday July 12, 2020 7:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
Original post from Dave

bjelks - At the end of the day, if everyone was healthy and we were to have a competitive game tomorrow; than not one of the 3 of Morris, Weah, or Uli should be in the starting XI. Morris, Weah, Uli, Boyd & Ferreira are going to have to fight it out for the back-up attacking rolls.
Starting attackers...Sargent/Jozy, Pulisic, Reyna;
Starting Midfield: Adams, McKennie, Holmes.
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As much as I like Uli and was impressed with him in his lone USMNT game....until he starts getting 1st team minutes with his club he's further down the depth chart than the other 4.


I don't think Morris is in the class of Weah and Uly when you think of their profiles.
Weah was in the starting plans for a Champions League side in a top 5 league before he got injured.
Uly has made a few bench appearances for a Europa League team that just happens to not play young players.

I don't think if everyone is healthy and available Jozy should be in the 23 at all. I don't think he's a better 9 at this point in his career than Sargent, Weah, Ferraria, Forlarin, Sango etc. I don't think his profile moves us forward.

Since watching Holmes in his most recent DC game, my tune has changed on him even being our top 10 choice and I'm a big fan of him. I just think he doesn't have the instincts, IQ, creativity or composure in the final 3rd at that position that we need.

With that being said, I wouldn't be mad at Reyna at 10 and Weah, Uly, Boyd, Konrad competing for the other spots

I'm also big on Ledezma, hoping he breaks through
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stoked-3
Post #299
Sunday July 12, 2020 8:56pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 40
Original post from 2tone

After watching Nagbe last night I am starting him in the midfield with McKennie and Adams. Berhalter needs to get Nagbe back in the USMNT.


No thanks-certianly he could be an asset for the NATs but his heart is not with the team so no way would I call him. His is kind of like a chandler,maybe worse, has the talent we need but doesnt bleed red white and blue

Pstkeeper
Post #300
Sunday July 12, 2020 8:56pm

Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts: 24
While I am definitely in favor of young players getting their chances and taking advantage of their opportunities, having Reyna in a starting line up for our National Team in a competitive match tomorrow means there is something wrong with our pool of attacking players.

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