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bjelks
Post #256
Wednesday July 8, 2020 8:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,752
Original post from Lilshmike

What?!?! Is Hell freezing over??? Are those pigs I see flying in the sky??? Does this mean we have found some sort of agreement here???

Never thought I would see the day... But much appreciated.


Lol yes we have an agreement and you make sense. I'm not a complete lunatic.
I also offered some thoughts on Holmes on another thread.
Wasn't good, but I think he's being played out of position and it's working his confidence.
goalsense
Dave
Post #257
Thursday July 9, 2020 1:47am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Original post from hamsamwich

I wouldn't play Robinson as a stay at home LB, that rotates into a 3 man CB line. I think that's completely not his game. If we play with both fullbacks, then it is his game to do that. Depends on what Gregg wants to do.

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I think that is the point many of us are struggling to come to terms with under Gregg's tenure. What formation allows us to get our best XI players on the field and in a position to succeed. IMO when you look at our player pool the best formations would be either a 4-2-3-1...where we can play 2 attack minded outside backs because we'll have 2 deep CM's (McKennie & Adams) who can help defensively, but versatile enough to be a trailing attacker.
Or a 3-4-3 with Robinson & Dest as the wide players in the 4 line. Both have the motor & speed to attack & defend. McKennie/Holmes play as an 8...while Adams is the pure 6. This also allows Pulisic & Reyna to have more freedom in the attack since they'll have less defensive duties.
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Both formations I suggested play to the strengths of our current player pool (CB & CM) while keeping us sound defensively. They are also fairly easy to integrate young players who maybe lack experience, but can be grow into significant talents/contributors over the next couple years as they develop for their clubs & country.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #258
Thursday July 9, 2020 5:35am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
I have to revise. I am now starting Sargent at striker instead of Morris. Really like what I am seeing from Sargent in regards to his work rate and his off the ball movement is improving every game.

hamsamwich
Post #259
Thursday July 9, 2020 6:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,446
@dave- that's definitely for the manager to decide. I'm sure (having watched the Crew plenty of times as the rival to the Fire, I mean FC) Gregg likes to attack with his fullbacks. He got away from that with the whole Adams at RB-CM look, but I feel like he will go with what he knows as we get closer to qualifying. And that means Robinson (or Dest or whoever) flying up that left side with the winger sliding inside or behind. So time will tell. I'm all for playing the best players and making the system adjust to that.

@2tone- I think Morris is best at reading the field and using his athleticism to get into goal scoring spots. Frankly I think he works off a Sargent type player better than Morris himself being the focal point. With Sargent and Pulisic occupying defenders and space, Morris should have the chance to score on many back posts runs, to the penalty spot or thru on the counter.

whyneverme
Post #260
Thursday July 9, 2020 6:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 94
Original post from Dave

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I think that is the point many of us are struggling to come to terms with under Gregg's tenure. What formation allows us to get our best XI players on the field and in a position to succeed. IMO when you look at our player pool the best formations would be either a 4-2-3-1...where we can play 2 attack minded outside backs because we'll have 2 deep CM's (McKennie & Adams) who can help defensively, but versatile enough to be a trailing attacker.
Or a 3-4-3 with Robinson & Dest as the wide players in the 4 line. Both have the motor & speed to attack & defend. McKennie/Holmes play as an 8...while Adams is the pure 6. This also allows Pulisic & Reyna to have more freedom in the attack since they'll have less defensive duties.
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Both formations I suggested play to the strengths of our current player pool (CB & CM) while keeping us sound defensively. They are also fairly easy to integrate young players who maybe lack experience, but can be grow into significant talents/contributors over the next couple years as they develop for their clubs & country.


I was thinking a 4-3-3 might be better. With the talent we are starting to develop on the wings and Robinson and Dest as fullbacks you could see a poor mans Liverpool starting to develop with a midfield trio of McKennie, Adams and Holmes (or maybe another option could be discussed).
Steffen
Dest Miazga Brooks Robinson (Antonee, not Andy )
McKennie, Adams, Holmes
Reyna Sargent Pulisic

That said Berhalter seems very committed to a 4-2-3-1 so likely will never see it under his watch.

bjelks
Post #261
Thursday July 9, 2020 9:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,752
Original post from hamsamwich

@dave- that's definitely for the manager to decide. I'm sure (having watched the Crew plenty of times as the rival to the Fire, I mean FC) Gregg likes to attack with his fullbacks. He got away from that with the whole Adams at RB-CM look, but I feel like he will go with what he knows as we get closer to qualifying. And that means Robinson (or Dest or whoever) flying up that left side with the winger sliding inside or behind. So time will tell. I'm all for playing the best players and making the system adjust to that.

@2tone- I think Morris is best at reading the field and using his athleticism to get into goal scoring spots. Frankly I think he works off a Sargent type player better than Morris himself being the focal point. With Sargent and Pulisic occupying defenders and space, Morris should have the chance to score on many back posts runs, to the penalty spot or thru on the counter.


I guess my question is if Jordan isn't creating or occupying defenders, why do we need him?

IMO all the attn was on CP against Canada and Mexico and Jordan did nothing.

The path to making deep runs in tourneys is having full teams of players that can make a difference on their own
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #262
Thursday July 9, 2020 10:59pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,446
I could use Weah in the same example but he can't stay healthy. But his best moments come as a complimentary player. To win as a team you have to play as a team. Unlike you I find value in being the fastest player physically and mentally to beat defenders to spots or the ball. That's what he does. I can't help if you don't like it. Brazil has had to learn to play as a team, their whole team of difference makers thing stopped working in the modern game now they have more of a team. France, England whoever you list. They play as a team and that's why they win. When it comes to Morris it would be nice if he could do more and he has gotten better... but when the main guys with the ball need an outlet to pass to or a runner through on goal there are few better than Morris.

bjelks
Post #263
Friday July 10, 2020 4:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,752
I would disagree on Weah; he has some respect 1v1 ability, can cut in and curl it from deep

I'm sorry I wouldn't agree that Jordan is the quickest thinker or fastest off the ball.
CP, Gooch, Antonee, Dest are all faster than Morris
I honestly can't confirm that Weah, Uly or Konrad are slower
As far as IQ, I don't know how to measure that, but Gary Kleiban criticizes him for his IQ and he's never been exposed to top level football

Yea I believe in playing and winning as a team, but that's impossible when you have guys like Morris that don't have the technical or tactical profile as the rest of the team

I don't like or dislike Jordan, I think you give him a lot of credit for doing basic things that anyone at any park in America can do

I would disagree that Brazil doesn't play as a team, I think when you have 2 top level teams it can be anybody's day and the difference between winning and losing are the smallest details or one bounce not going your way

France won because they had the best players. They played together sure, but not having the best players and playing together is not a recipe for winning, because weak links like Morris will be exposed. Just like he was in Canada and against Mexico.

Being an outlet or running through to goal are basic things. This is football 101.
Uly, Weah, Boyd, Konrad, Reyna can all do these things as well as many other things better than Jordan. I'm sorry I don't agree with your valuation of Jordan. He's 25 and worth 3mm, I don't think the rest of the world values him that highly either. Maybe you like his background and want to see him represented on the natl team, I don't know.

But he doesn't help us graduate against top competition just like he didn't help us away to Canada or against Mexico
goalsense
cudevil
Post #264
Friday July 10, 2020 5:47am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
I'd bet Morris is faster than all the guys you listed. He is legit fast. I don't know why you fight that aspect of his game. I also think you could swap him with Gooch and Morris would do just fine.

Gilster
Los Angeles
Post #265
Friday July 10, 2020 7:06am

Joined Jul 2019
Total Posts: 12
Original post from hamsamwich

I could use Weah in the same example but he can't stay healthy. But his best moments come as a complimentary player. To win as a team you have to play as a team. Unlike you I find value in being the fastest player physically and mentally to beat defenders to spots or the ball. That's what he does. I can't help if you don't like it. Brazil has had to learn to play as a team, their whole team of difference makers thing stopped working in the modern game now they have more of a team. France, England whoever you list. They play as a team and that's why they win. When it comes to Morris it would be nice if he could do more and he has gotten better... but when the main guys with the ball need an outlet to pass to or a runner through on goal there are few better than Morris.


You seriously think Morris is the fastest player? And what happens once he beats defenders to the ball? That fact that we continue having discussions with Morris starting on the USMNT is extremely concerning either most of you guys are poor at understanding football talent and skills or I'm living in the twilight zone if Morris is as good as all you guys say he is European teams would have no problem dropping 20-30+ million for his services ohh wait they're not so that means You guys are better talent evaluators than all of the scouts in Europe.
Gilbert
blaise213
Post #266
Friday July 10, 2020 8:01am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
I think Richards is better than Miazga

Samtom23
Post #267
Friday July 10, 2020 8:26am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from bjelks

I guess my question is if Jordan isn't creating or occupying defenders, why do we need him?

IMO all the attn was on CP against Canada and Mexico and Jordan did nothing.

The path to making deep runs in tourneys is having full teams of players that can make a difference on their own


Remember he created the most chances in the second half when he came on for Boyd. He may not start in the end but has a spot in my opinion.

Samtom23
Post #268
Friday July 10, 2020 8:29am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 455
Original post from blaise213

I think Richards is better than Miazga


I am not sure he is better or not yet. But Miazga is developing a reputation as someone that can be provoked and carded. I would hate to go down to ten men because Miazga gets a red card. I am open to giving other players a shot in camp.

bjelks
Post #269
Friday July 10, 2020 11:59am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,752
Original post from cudevil

I'd bet Morris is faster than all the guys you listed. He is legit fast. I don't know why you fight that aspect of his game. I also think you could swap him with Gooch and Morris would do just fine.


I didn't say Morris was slow, I don't think he's as fast as MLS supporters make him out to be.
If he is, he doesn't know how to use it to separate in games against decent competition.

What I mean is, I don't see him separating from ppl the way Mbappe and Davies do.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #270
Friday July 10, 2020 12:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,752
Original post from Gilster

You seriously think Morris is the fastest player? And what happens once he beats defenders to the ball? That fact that we continue having discussions with Morris starting on the USMNT is extremely concerning either most of you guys are poor at understanding football talent and skills or I'm living in the twilight zone if Morris is as good as all you guys say he is European teams would have no problem dropping 20-30+ million for his services ohh wait they're not so that means You guys are better talent evaluators than all of the scouts in Europe.


Hahahahaah I get crucified for saying this everyday.
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