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Lilshmike
Post #136
Saturday May 16, 2020 3:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from bjelks

@stoke very valid points...

All I'm asking is that we create a culture of competition by awarding guys for competing at the higher level

And in result you create a higher level of hunger/ ambition within the program
Come on now... that's is not at all what you are, and always have been, advocating.

Your stance has consistently been that if the guy plays in Europe, then they're automatically a step in front of anyone in MLS... and by that person being in Europe, its proof that they're better and have a hungrier mentality. All of that is complete garbage.

You've advocated for Wooten... look what happened when he joined MLS. Terrence Boyd another... how about him? Romain Gall... an MLS washout, another you've called for... Haji Wright as well... Danny Williams another, claiming that even after not playing for a year and coming off injury he should be a sure fire call up and starter... I could go on.

Some guys you've called for have had the merit to be in the conversation... but you're not concerned with having a conversation about who should get looks. You're making random blanket statements about guys, putting labels like world class on random subjective analysis, making wild claims, and name calling anyone who disagrees with you by acting like you're some soccer genius.

bjelks
Post #137
Saturday May 16, 2020 3:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Philip

Only counting American players from MLS doesn't make any sense. There are guys from all over the world in MLS and they all contribute to the competition faced and the development potential for every other player. Someone like Miguel Almiron counts. He came into MLS and spent 2 years in Atlanta, in that time he improved as a player. He developed his game more and earned a spot in the Premier League based on his play in MLS. Newcastle did not sign him because of what he had done 3 years prior in Argentina. The only reason to discount Almiron is because he doesn't fit with the narrative you are trying to sell.


Lol are you trying to insinuate that the development of a Paraguayan international that has been on the best team in Argentina is equal to that of someone who developed in the inferior American college system or mls?

Or that the best player in the league is representative of the overall quality of the league? Lol

Big picture, if you wanna compare the avg transfers of all players annually In volume and price to top leagues between Championship, Bundesliga 2, Serie B, Segunda B, Argentina, Brazil and Scandinavian leagues, all of them would easily trump mls
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #138
Saturday May 16, 2020 3:22pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
@bjelks

You want to create competition and hunger?

How about this... we set a standard that you have to play at a bar minimum level to be in consideration for selection for the USMNT. Let's call that level MLS... the absolute lowest we'll accept.

Let's make it a standard that you have to at least be playing and producing consistently for your position at your senior club team to be in consideration.

Let's also say that to beat the final hurdle, you have to be doing something that sets you apart from your peers. Performances, stats, etc... actual metrics that can prove your arguments for inclusion. Or you fit a position or role in need for the team given the players to choose from in the pool.

If you have 2 guys, both CMs, and one plays every week in MLS and the other in Bundesliga... Bundesliga guy has a leg up that you can point to that's concrete evidence as he is playing at a higher level.

If you have 2 other guys, both STs, with one scoring double digit goals in MLS and the other in Holland with a single goal and bouncing between the bench and starting lineup... well, the MLS guys has a clear metric to point to where his inclusion can be justified.

Wild ideas right there. Revolutionary actually. This sets a consistent standard that everyone has applied to them. Forces every player to perform week in week out for their senior clubs... like what real professionals are required to do. It creates a level playing field that forces guys to get better, or improve their performances, to get noticed and called in. You know... competition.

Lilshmike
Post #139
Saturday May 16, 2020 3:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from Philip

Only counting American players from MLS doesn't make any sense. There are guys from all over the world in MLS and they all contribute to the competition faced and the development potential for every other player. Someone like Miguel Almiron counts. He came into MLS and spent 2 years in Atlanta, in that time he improved as a player. He developed his game more and earned a spot in the Premier League based on his play in MLS. Newcastle did not sign him because of what he had done 3 years prior in Argentina. The only reason to discount Almiron is because he doesn't fit with the narrative you are trying to sell.
Boom, spot on.

@bjelks

Using your logic... that is, we can only measure MLS by its American players... then we should only judge the Premier League by its English players.

No matter and no worry that it's the mix of many foreign and domestic players that truly create the league and make it so great... Nope. Only the English guys. Would the Premier League still be good? Yes, but it would be a shadow of its actual self.

So using that logic... should we then discount someone playing in the Premier League because the English players (on average) are step behind most of the foreigners in that league??

No. That's stupid. Just like your argument that the level and development of MLS should only be judged on its American players.

Philip
Post #140
Saturday May 16, 2020 3:48pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 44
Original post from bjelks

Lol are you trying to insinuate that the development of a Paraguayan international that has been on the best team in Argentina is equal to that of someone who developed in the inferior American college system or mls?

Or that the best player in the league is representative of the overall quality of the league? Lol

Big picture, if you wanna compare the avg transfers of all players annually In volume and price to top leagues between Championship, Bundesliga 2, Serie B, Segunda B, Argentina, Brazil and Scandinavian leagues, all of them would easily trump mls

He wasn't signed because he was from Paraguay, he wasn't signed because he played in Argentina 3 years ago.
There are many reasons why other leagues have more transfers. MLS as a league has a history of trying to hold onto players. There are many examples of players wanting to transfer and teams making offers that MLS refused. They were trying to improve their product and holding onto quality players was necessary. That does not in any way reflect on the quality of that player. That player was capable of playing at the higher level but we're not given the chance. There are also many reasons why a player may perform better in one league as opposed to another. There are examples of players going to "inferior" leagues and failing. Terrence Boyd, who you wanted in the national team, is one. You fail to see the big picture.

Samtom23
Post #141
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:09pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
They don't check passports during training and during games last time I checked.

And trying a different approach, choose players that have zero ties to MLS.

Gone would be.

-Adams
-Richards
-Uly
-Soto
-EPB
-Mendez

Samtom23
Post #142
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:13pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
And Kobe and don't forget Antonee Robinson is out

bjelks
Post #143
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Lilshmike

Come on now... that's is not at all what you are, and always have been, advocating.

Your stance has consistently been that if the guy plays in Europe, then they're automatically a step in front of anyone in MLS... and by that person being in Europe, its proof that they're better and have a hungrier mentality. All of that is complete garbage.

You've advocated for Wooten... look what happened when he joined MLS. Terrence Boyd another... how about him? Romain Gall... an MLS washout, another you've called for... Haji Wright as well... Danny Williams another, claiming that even after not playing for a year and coming off injury he should be a sure fire call up and starter... I could go on.

Some guys you've called for have had the merit to be in the conversation... but you're not concerned with having a conversation about who should get looks. You're making random blanket statements about guys, putting labels like world class on random subjective analysis, making wild claims, and name calling anyone who disagrees with you by acting like you're some soccer genius.


Please feel how you wanna feel about me. It is not my intention to be popular. It's my intention to speak truth and logic.

My stance has been if a guy plays at a higher level than another they are automatically more proven and comfortable at a higher level of play. That's completely logical. It's literally how the rest of the world evaluates players. If player A is willing to risk lack of playing time or comfort to play in a better developmental system than Player B, then player A is hungrier. Again this is how the rest of the world sees the game. You thinking that a top league regular player isn't ahead of an mls starter shows peak fanboying for mls on your part. To anyone outside of America, that's garbage.
Morris is a prime example of a player that turned down a move and hasn't improved since but has got preferential treatment bc he has a look and pedigree that usssf/ mls wants to market to middle America.

Wooten was a top scorer in Bundesliga 2, he deserved as much a shot as Zardes who we all know is technically amateur.
Terrance Boyd has flashed in Austria, Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 but has a well known injury history.
Gall has flashed at a level equal to mls and we've had much worse mls wingers get chances, Baird, Lewis, Lovitz, Arriola to name a few.
Haji also flashed and scored a few goals in Bundesliga. When Zardes scores in Bundesliga, I'll stop but he sucks and you know it.
Again Morris didnt play for a yr and was conveniently slotted in a starters role. DWill was a starter in the EPL before the injury. Hmm I wonder why 🤔

Big picture, you can not be a success in mls bc of age, injury, or being a bad personality fit for the manager or team. Good try but you can't excuse call ups of shitty mls players by using examples of injured or troubled euro guys that didn't work out.

If you wanna make wild accusations about my credibility, please list specific wild claims, subjective analysis, labels or blanket statements please be specific and list them instead of filibustering with fluff. These claims sound like you have a subjective personal beef and feel threatened by my difference in opinion.
Also if you have a problem with my passion or aggression, don't disrespect me and I won't respond aggressively back to you.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #144
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Lilshmike

@bjelks

You want to create competition and hunger?

How about this... we set a standard that you have to play at a bar minimum level to be in consideration for selection for the USMNT. Let's call that level MLS... the absolute lowest we'll accept.

Let's make it a standard that you have to at least be playing and producing consistently for your position at your senior club team to be in consideration.

Let's also say that to beat the final hurdle, you have to be doing something that sets you apart from your peers. Performances, stats, etc... actual metrics that can prove your arguments for inclusion. Or you fit a position or role in need for the team given the players to choose from in the pool.

If you have 2 guys, both CMs, and one plays every week in MLS and the other in Bundesliga... Bundesliga guy has a leg up that you can point to that's concrete evidence as he is playing at a higher level.

If you have 2 other guys, both STs, with one scoring double digit goals in MLS and the other in Holland with a single goal and bouncing between the bench and starting lineup... well, the MLS guys has a clear metric to point to where his inclusion can be justified.

Wild ideas right there. Revolutionary actually. This sets a consistent standard that everyone has applied to them. Forces every player to perform week in week out for their senior clubs... like what real professionals are required to do. It creates a level playing field that forces guys to get better, or improve their performances, to get noticed and called in. You know... competition.


Unfortunately, it doesn't bc your metrics Benefit mls lol. They don't account for players that benefit from having easier teams to break into in mls, weaker defenses and less day in and day out pressure with no Pro/ rel than Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Championship, Argentina, Brazil.

Uly, Ledezma, and Richards play for big clubs that are better than the mls best 11.
Do you think there's any logic in believing a reserve at Bayern or PSV who are playing behind world class players isn't better than Zimmerman, Long, Morris, Arriola, Roldan, Baird, Lovitz, Lletget, Bradley, Zardes, Jozy etc?
You may, but there's no evidence to support it
goalsense
bjelks
Post #145
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Samtom23

They don't check passports during training and during games last time I checked.

And trying a different approach, choose players that have zero ties to MLS.

Gone would be.

-Adams
-Richards
-Uly
-Soto
-EPB
-Mendez


None of those guys played in mls after 18 let alone 23 which is my whole fucking point lol
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #146
Saturday May 16, 2020 4:38pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
Adams did play in MLS

And the others were associated with an MLS development academy. There is no guarantee that teams would've even found our players without MLS.

bjelks
Post #147
Saturday May 16, 2020 5:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Samtom23

Adams did play in MLS

And the others were associated with an MLS development academy. There is no guarantee that teams would've even found our players without MLS.


I clearly said none of those guys played in mls after 18 and surely not 23.

What are you struggling to understand here?

Do you not understand that development is about timing, age and trajectory?
goalsense
bjelks
Post #148
Saturday May 16, 2020 5:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
Original post from Lilshmike

Boom, spot on.

@bjelks

Using your logic... that is, we can only measure MLS by its American players... then we should only judge the Premier League by its English players.

No matter and no worry that it's the mix of many foreign and domestic players that truly create the league and make it so great... Nope. Only the English guys. Would the Premier League still be good? Yes, but it would be a shadow of its actual self.

So using that logic... should we then discount someone playing in the Premier League because the English players (on average) are step behind most of the foreigners in that league??

No. That's stupid. Just like your argument that the level and development of MLS should only be judged on its American players.


Lol I clearly said I judge mls by the total number of players from everywhere that move to top leagues, how much they're valued, you can add in intercontinental performances, and WC performances

You're lack of comprehension is just stupid

You can only judge the level and development of American mls players by their shitty results in qualifying and concacaf club competitions

Now I can call you a clown
goalsense
bjelks
Post #149
Saturday May 16, 2020 5:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,750
*Your @lilshmike
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #150
Saturday May 16, 2020 5:40pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
I view it like this.

Two different approaches-

Guy A-Wants to buy Apple Stock and Apple stock has been around for say 40 years or so.

Guy B-wants to buy Apple Stock but the year the company has been around for 20 years at this point in time.

Guy B wants to get rich, so he reads the market, starts noticing trends. He then reads the prospectus and decides to buy and 20 years later he is rich.

Both have Apple shares but guy B is a lot of happier because he bought shares at 19.95 and guy A, paid 300 dollars a share.

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