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Know Nothing
Post #16
Monday January 27, 2020 8:18pm

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Yes, I realize all the points you have made. No, in the long run this is not a big deal and everyone at camp, save the two European players, have not been training for a while so it is more of a level playing field.

But whether or not this is a meaningless camp or a meaningless game, a precedent has now been set Whatever GGG's motives for including Kano, IMO he has now opened himself to criticism when we have to suffer the selection of the same players that have proven to be innefective over a period of time.

Lilshmike
Post #17
Monday January 27, 2020 8:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,481
Original post from Know Nothing

Yes, I realize all the points you have made. No, in the long run this is not a big deal and everyone at camp, save the two European players, have not been training for a while so it is more of a level playing field.

But whether or not this is a meaningless camp or a meaningless game, a precedent has now been set Whatever GGG's motives for including Kano, IMO he has now opened himself to criticism when we have to suffer the selection of the same players that have proven to be innefective over a period of time.
If he selects an "unattached" player during a regular FIFA window... yes, agreed. This is a different circumstance... so there isn't really a precedent. Not yet at least.

But this is camp cupcake where all the players (except for one) are out of season. Kayo finished his USL season at the same time as everyone else in camp, so his unattached status is moot because none of the guys are in season and they all last played at relatively the same time - Kayo included.

Araujo, Vines, McKenzie, Gasper, Aaronson, Cappis, Kayo, Servania, Ferreira, and Llanez are all newer players he brought in to take a look at - some of which are names that a bunch of people have moaned about wanting to see. If this doesn't scream "experimentation with an eye towards integration" then I don't know what does.

Lletget, Long, Zimmerman, Yuiell, Cannon, Arriola, and (yes, believe it or not) Zardes are all guys who have earned the right to be in there and shouldn't (with the exception of arguably Zardes) fall into the category of "the same players that have proven to be ineffective over a period of time" because at this point in time, they are the best we have available.

There really isn't anything in the roster from an objectively standpoint that should cause anyone to get uptight over. Again, I agree on Canouse. This may have been a decent opportunity to get Sabbi in there too... but he just transferred to a new team this window so maybe that was the reason he wasn't in this camp. Outside of that, nothing here is egregious or should rise to the level of irritation from fans (outside maybe Zardes).

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #18
Saturday February 1, 2020 8:30pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
We will not see this line up but here is what I would love to see

Lewis----Ferreira ---ULY

LLegt------Cappis-

Servania

Cannon-McKenzie -Glad--J. Araujo

-M. Turner

60' subs: Brendon,Kayo,JY, Vines,
Stoked
EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #19
Saturday February 1, 2020 9:44pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,337
Today's USMNT Starting XI vs. Costa Rica:

1-Sean Johnson, 2-Reggie Cannon, 3-Aaron Long (capt.), 5-Walker Zimmerman, 6-Jackson Yueill, 7-Paul Arriola, 8-Brenden Aaronson, 10-Jesús Ferreira, 13-Sam Vines, 17-Sebastian Lletget, 19-Ulysses Llanez

munns5986
Post #20
Saturday February 1, 2020 10:57pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 277
Llanez has looked pretty good so far. Arriola wiffed a good chance.

bjelks
Post #21
Saturday February 1, 2020 11:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,707
Arriola is trash. Been saying that for yrs.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #22
Saturday February 1, 2020 11:31pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
Llanez looks better than most of our MLS players who have been pros for awhile....(Arriola).

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #23
Saturday February 1, 2020 11:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
There's Greg at it again. Taking off your best attacker.

blaise213
Post #24
Saturday February 1, 2020 11:42pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,144
I've been saying to call in Llanez for awhile

Holmes, Reyna, Llanez are miles better than Roldan or Trapp.... shit Trapp just got traded. He sucks..

Arriola WTF... dude went backwards when he was pressured and panicked... dude sucks

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Saturday February 1, 2020 11:54pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Vines nor Gasper inspire me much at LB.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #26
Sunday February 2, 2020 12:32am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Original post from Lilshmike

Kayo is unattached because his contract expired at the end of the MLS/USL season. He didn't sign a new contract in the US because he is 17 years old and he is planning to go to Europe when he turns 18. As a result, he is listed as "unattached" because he is not currently under contract by a club, as he can't sign one overseas until he turns 18 and heads across the pond. And its not like he hasn't been playing - Kayo played USL this last season.

Remember... all of the MLS names on the roster are out of season, so although Kayo is listed as "unattached" its not as though he has been missing out on games or anything like that when compared to every other person in camp. He has been operating on the same timeline as everyone else for the most part.

Look, I'm not defending the Kayo call-up, only pointing out that getting uptight over the "unattached" title really isn't a big deal or inconsistent when you look at the reality of the situation.

To be clear, I don't think USL meets the mark for a player getting called in, and this seems to me like Berhalter is throwing the kid a bone to get him in the senior USMNT set-up (since hes been in the youth set-up) while he waits to go overseas (something that everyone on this site complains about and wants to see more of), while simultaneously providing him with a potential boost to his overseas suitors and prospects by checking the Senior USMNT player box on his resume. But considering its camp cupcake, I don't see the problem with it.

And for the record, its not a crime that Reyna or Ledezma have not been called. Ledezma is still in the 2nd division in Holland - he needs to do better. Up until recently, Reyna was with the youth team at Dortmund - which was not good enough. Both of those guys are also playing right now with their clubs, so a call-up for this camp was unrealistic to begin with. So yeah... absolutely no crime or issue to bring them up as exclusions up to this point in time. Reyna is building an argument for March, but objectively speaking, Ledezma still has not been convincing enough.

Cappis and Llanez are the only European outliers in this group, and Cappis is out of season (just like the MLS guys) and Llanez is with the youth team for his club so leaving Germany isn't a big issue.

Again, players in USL and youth/lower 2nd division leagues in Europe shouldn't be making the cut. I would like to see Canouse, that is noteworthy. But considering its camp cupcake... whatever. Not a big deal and nothing to get uptight over.


Every Nats team, every coach will have different standards. but there really should be no black and white rules with what is required before being called in; at the point we are in US soccer. I agree in theory guys in lower leagues shouldn't be called in, however, the standard should be: talent, form, are you better than the guy in front of you, scheme, depth, how do you perform at this level etc

Today most would agree LLanez was the best player on the field. To show up at his age, and only playing for a youth team-he showed he could easily hang at this level.

There are others who play well for Nats and maybe not so much with club. I would say Nick Lima and the yedlin(of late) come to mind.

We can't afford to say player X doesn't play so we can't look at him.

Llanez played well today, hope he does get moved off the youth team but he showed as a youth team player he can jump in the MLS vets and outshine them
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #27
Sunday February 2, 2020 12:37am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
I thought Jesus F. showed more technical skill in this game than Zardes has shown in yrs. sure Zardes runs more but there was no panic on the ball from JF-I think he certainly earned another call up, would much rather see him get some time than Zardes,

Frankly I thought almost all the new guys did well. BA was a pleasant surprise. None of them looked nervous. and most played well technically. (outside gasper/vines)

Wouldn't mind seeing Cannon on the right, and Dest in front of him at some point
Stoked
blaise213
Post #28
Sunday February 2, 2020 1:24am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,144
Gasped looked he was 45 years old

Dest on the right , Robinson on the left

There should be barely any MLS players on the National team moving forward! So many better technical players in Europe

Dave
Post #29
Sunday February 2, 2020 7:06am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,098
Was impressed with Llanez today. He was calm on the ball and made some nice passes & Crosses. He still needs to gain more experience and advance to his club's first team, but he showed enough that he's got the talent to be a contributor.
Ferreira did well and found space between the CBs & CDMs. The CBs appeared to be afraid to step on him so was able to be a threat and free up space for the other attackers.
Yueill & Aaronson did well, but Costa Rica didn't really put to much pressure on the team. Will need to show that they are capable of playing under pressure before I'd bet on them in competitive games against higher level competition.
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Was disappointed with Lletget & Arriola. They had their moments, but were inconsistent. I expected better. They've left the door wide open for the younger players to overtake.
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With the way our young attacking players are advancing (Reyna w/ BvB, Weah w/ Lille, Ledezma w/ PSV, Vassilev w/ Aston Villa, Mendez w/ Ajax, & now Llanez), the MLS guys are going are going to have to step up their game if they want to stay in contention. Arriola, Lletget, & Morris are going to be challenged sooner rather than later.
A. Robinson looks to be a challenger for Dest...or possibly let Dest switch to his more natural RB position. Cannon looks to be ready to challenge Yedlin/Dest. CB looks to be well situated with Brooks, Long, M. Robinson, Miazga, Richards, CCV, & EPB.
Adams, Yueill, & Morales can hold down the CDM position....with Cappis potentially waiting in the wings.
Forward is still a concern, but we still have Sargent & Jozy and looks like we'll be able to add Ferreira & possbily Morris in the near future.
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There are bound to be some ups and downs as these guys gain experience...but there is so much potential it's hard not to speculate what could be.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #30
Sunday February 2, 2020 9:56am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,544
Llanez was very good...great to see his skill and composure. Jesus F's movement was really impressive for his age...he was finding pockets all over and combining well...we don't have lot of options at forward and almost nobody who can find and create space like that..maybe Sargent is closest...so that was great to see.

I'm a Yueill fan, but he didn't really show his line breaking passing ability that often...a few long diagonals, but I thought they were marking him pretty well...maybe the word is out he can drop dimes if you give him time, which I think they tried to prevent that from happening. He'll need to be able to free himself and create time for his passing...I thought this game was a step back defensively for him.

I actually liked Vines.... good speed and defensive presence. Played a sublime ball to LLanez behind the defender.

Cannon's back post awareness and defensive discipline puts him ahead of yedlin and everyone else at RB. the job is his to lose. Stellar defending denying what looked like a sure goal...pure nails.

Arriola plays his heart out but lacks finishing savvy. So frustrating to watch him do the hard work to get into some great positions to assist or score only to see the quality drop off the table with the final touch...

I'm a GB supporter. I've always said just give him time. He's bringing in quality youth and expanding the roster options...he's going to have some very good talent to choose from...and Imo, he won't hesitate to bring in talent that can get him wins, regardless of age.

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