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Know Nothing
Post #121
Monday October 21, 2019 9:52pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

So do you guys think there have even been candidates identified? I vote no. And since there were no interviews last time, I'm not sure they have a good background on prospective candidates. Maybe there is such a file and all that, but I doubt it. A draw vs Canada will be billed as a step forward despite it being a failure, because of course there will be a response from the team. We all hope they win but it will just be moving the decision farther down the line. This team is rudderless and the players smell blood in the water. The recent comments have not been great and we can all just hope a few wins cures all because it's not looking good in any way.


Sure...Brad Freidel, Richie Williams. Obviously this is a sarcastic answer.

Unfortunately if GGG is fired then as other have said, there isn't a ready made replacement this late in the game. We either get a manager that can manage a game but does not have good knowledge of the pool or we get a manager that intimately knows the pool of players but is lacking in game management.

Samtom23
Post #122
Tuesday October 22, 2019 6:40am

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You can look at Jill Ellis, if ok with a female coach. She has familiarity and a proven track record with the women's team.

Tab Ramos because familiar with the players.

Dave Sacharin because USSF lacks ambition.

My dream coach would be Erik ten Hag, which is AJAX current coach. A coach willing to train a young squad. Familiar with a few of our younger players and has a nice track record worked with Pep Guadiola and Matthais Stammer. But his contract runs until 2022.

Jesse Marsch is another candidate worth considering.

Lilshmike
Post #123
Tuesday October 22, 2019 2:50pm

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Original post from Samtom23

You can look at Jill Ellis, if ok with a female coach. She has familiarity and a proven track record with the women's team.

Tab Ramos because familiar with the players.

Dave Sacharin because USSF lacks ambition.

My dream coach would be Erik ten Hag, which is AJAX current coach. A coach willing to train a young squad. Familiar with a few of our younger players and has a nice track record worked with Pep Guadiola and Matthais Stammer. But his contract runs until 2022.

Jesse Marsch is another candidate worth considering.
Jill Ellis?? Not trying to be a jerk, but was that intended to be a joke?

Sarachan wouldn't get rehired after he was simply the caretaker. Erik ten Hag wouldn't leave Ajax for the USMNT. No way Jesse Marsch would leave his job after finally landing and managing a club playing Champions League in Europe.

If they were going to hire a new coach, he is coming from either MLS, within the US System already, or someone who is an international manager that is currently out of a job.

Samtom23
Post #124
Tuesday October 22, 2019 4:29pm

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Not really a joke, just creative thinking. Already familiar with the cultural, is available. Has a winning track record and would be a PR boost.

But yeah, I know Ajax coach is staying put along with Marsch unless thrown gobs of money.

But who would you suggest?

Know Nothing
Post #125
Tuesday October 22, 2019 4:40pm

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If anyone wants a list...

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/verfu...

From this list, Javi Gracia did some good things with a money strapped Watford

Spaletti might be up for a new challenge

Heiko Herrlich (formerly of Leverkusen) would be familiar with our Bundesliga players

Wildcard possibility is Aitor Karanka...played a year for Colorado, assisted mourinho at Real before going ot Middlesborough and then Nottingham Forest.

db707
Post #126
Tuesday October 22, 2019 4:53pm

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Too bad Thomas Dennerby is going to be the India U17 girls coach, he has experience cleaning up after Berhalter at Hammarby.

Lilshmike
Post #127
Tuesday October 22, 2019 5:51pm

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Original post from Samtom23

Not really a joke, just creative thinking. Already familiar with the cultural, is available. Has a winning track record and would be a PR boost.

But yeah, I know Ajax coach is staying put along with Marsch unless thrown gobs of money.

But who would you suggest?
You have to differentiate who you want vs who you think would be a possibility.

For starters, I'd think of the timeline of when a firing/hiring would occur. If it were to happen, it would need to happen before camp cupcake. As a result, you would need a manager who is either out of a job at that time, or not in season.

From there, we need to establish what the criteria would be for hiring. As has been well publicized, they want a manager who speaks good English - a must. From there, you would ideally like to have someone who is both familiar with the player pool and understands WCQ in the CONCACAF region (which is surprisingly difficult when you manage a team with players flying over from Europe) - a nice to have. CONMEBOL is close enough in atmosphere/playing conditions to CONCACAF, so a manager with South American experience would probably suffice. And as evidenced by Berhalter, previous international experience isn't a requirement, and they looked at a guy who appeared to outperform with respect to the talent level of his players.

So, criteria would likely be as follows:
  • Decent managerial record
  • History of above average results with average/sub average talent
  • Understanding/experience of WCQ in CONCACAF region
  • Speaks English
  • Available to take the job when needed (December/January time frame)
  • Knowledge of the player pool not required, but preferred
  • Previous international experience not required
MLS ends before year end, so pretty much all the managers would be in the frame. But considering the list of guys managing in MLS, and knowing the USSF, only a couple of names stand out:
  • Caleb Porter
  • Bob Bradley
  • Peter Vermes
  • Greg Vanney
There are some foreign managers in MLS, but I highly doubt the USSF or them would want it. Additionally, you would have to assume that current US youth coaches are in the frame:
  • Tab Ramos
  • Jason Kreis
From there, you would have to shortlist a number of guys who fit the criteria listed above who are available now to take the job. You can look at the link Know Nothing posted... I'm not going to list off all the names here, but I will highlight 5 that stand out who I think are interesting:
  • Javi Gracia
  • Gus Poyet
  • Dunga
  • David Moyes/Sam Allardyce/Tony Pulis
  • Javier Aguirre
I grouped the English managers because they are pretty much all one in the same. That being said, the other 4 seem to be pretty interesting when you think about it... and in particular, Javier Aguirre.

At a time when the USMNT and USSF is coming under fire for losing out to potential American-Mexican players, to get a manager who is Mexican, has international experience with multiple nations (including Mexico), is familiar with the region, could potentially resonate with "on-the-fence" type players... IDK. Seems like he could surprisingly be a fit.

Lilshmike
Post #128
Tuesday October 22, 2019 5:51pm

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@Samtom23

Here is my shortlist of managers who I think that right now would be a possibility:
  • Tab Ramos
  • Bob Bradley
  • Peter Vermes
  • Greg Vanney
  • Javier Aguirre
  • Moyes/Allardyce
I think Pulis would actually be decent... but don't think he would do it. I would be interested to see if Dunga could do it, but don't think it would happen. With respect to Javi Gracia and Gus Poyet... I think they could be potential shortlist options, but considering the state of our national team, I don't think they would want to touch it. Jason Kreis is the U23 manager currently, and with the olympics on the horizon, hes likely out as a candidate. Caleb Porter just got the job at Columbus, so I don't think he would be in the frame.

Considering Arena 2.0, and how much fans would likely crap their pants, I doubt Bob would get the job. As much as I think Moyes/Allardyce could be an option, I think their lack of understanding of CONCACAF/CONMEBOL would almost disqualify them. That leaves us with Ramos, Vermes, Vanney, and Aguirre.

I would support Ramos, and I think he should get the job if Berhalter is out. I would not be opposed to Aguirre and think it could be a surprising fit. Vermes and Vanney are interesting enough to where they could be potential options... that being said, they could end up being more of the same and simply being guys who just "get the job done" instead of someon who moves the program forward.

hamsamwich
Post #129
Tuesday October 22, 2019 6:39pm

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I mean Berhalter got outcoached by Herdman who used to be the Canada women's coach

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #130
Tuesday October 22, 2019 7:46pm

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I doubt he would take it at this time but David Wagner would be an excellent choice pulled off a miracle with hudder, and now has coaching exp in Germany.

He has worked with a low budget and got results.

He played for the US and felt like he was snubbed by US soccer--so he would understand the the plight of dual citizens and could help us. Speaks good english and I assume German.

This is fun to talk about but really I don't see them making a move anytime soon. GB is safe

the logical choice would be Tab -he has worked with the youth, understands qualifying. but would he be given a chance since he declined the interim job?
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #131
Tuesday October 22, 2019 7:48pm

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also the bigger news to talk about it Fabians quote: Someone is lying is it GB or Fabian

but if he really wants to play for us and has not been called that is alarming given our situation.
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #132
Tuesday October 22, 2019 8:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from stoked3

I doubt he would take it at this time but David Wagner would be an excellent choice pulled off a miracle with hudder, and now has coaching exp in Germany.

He has worked with a low budget and got results.

He played for the US and felt like he was snubbed by US soccer-so he would understand the the plight of dual citizens and could help us. Speaks good english and I assume German.

This is fun to talk about but really I don't see them making a move anytime soon. GB is safe

the logical choice would be Tab -he has worked with the youth, understands qualifying. but would he be given a chance since he declined the interim job?
No way Wagner would take it.

Tab was offered the interim job but declined. He said he either wanted it permanently or not at all. At this point if he was offered it permanently, he may say yes.

Lilshmike
Post #133
Tuesday October 22, 2019 8:21pm

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We need Nagbe in the fold more than Johnson in my opinion.

And with all this talk of dual nationals, I'm shocked that more people aren't complaining or talking about Jeremy Toljan. He doesn't seem to stand a chance of making it into the Germany set-up. The USMNT is legitimately the best shot he has at making it to a WC. He already snubbed us, yes (which does leave a bit of a sour taste and who knows the impact in the locker room of that), but he did so at a time where he thought he had a shot with Germany (same as Timmy Chandler). At 25, having not broke in yet, his options are pretty much nil.

Johnson, if true, could help us at LB through qualifying, but we need a longer term option ASAP. Antonee Robinson could grow into it, but he doesn't seem to be there yet. We need to get as many LBs in so we can take a look at them as possible and kick Lovitz to the curb.

We have options and depth (when everyone is healthy) at every position really except for LB. ST is thin, we have a number of mids, Wings are somewhat thin, but LB is pretty much non-existent.

Know Nothing
Post #134
Tuesday October 22, 2019 10:06pm

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Another attempt at Toljan makes sense. Being loaned out from Dortmund to Sassualo would not help his chances of breaking in with Germany.

Perhaps CP can help recruit him? Would help having a player he is familiar with playing on his side as well.

hamsamwich
Post #135
Wednesday October 23, 2019 12:58am

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I'd argue that for Gregg it may be too late for cap tying players he doesn't know or rate. He made his bed by waiting too long to add anyone not from camp cupcake and now he HAS to win so the pressure is on.

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