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Samtom23
Post #106
Monday October 21, 2019 4:55am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I found an excerpt from the article about Steffen. This clearly isn't the full interview but this might be it.

https://sbisoccer.com/2019/10/the-sbi-view-gr...

The following podcast I found to be worth a listen. They don't blast players much in it but it is a review of tactics mostly. They kept the emotion out of it which I appreciated as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhsG7EVKvog

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #107
Monday October 21, 2019 1:50pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 867
Original post from stoked3

My post was referencing how Josh Sargaent, CP, Matt M, Yedlin, all went back to their clubs and played well this weekend-yet they looked lost vs Canada. That tells us alot, some players they play with from mls are mentally and tactically behind. It also tells us that GB was outcoached bc the other team had alot of mls players.



And Morris went back to his club and scored a hat trick. Must have been the Euro guys holding him back? You are using flawed logic, but apparently you can't see that.

Samtom23
Post #108
Monday October 21, 2019 2:34pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
Morris is fine for the National team judging by his recent performances. I would even say he is worth considering as a captain.

I do think some veterans are needed. Morris fits the bill.

Lilshmike
Post #109
Monday October 21, 2019 3:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from Kamphgruppe

You guys talk about accountability but won't admit when your pets don't play well.
So let me get this straight, if we lose no matter what it's the MLS guys fault. If the MLS guys play great and score all the goals it's only because of the Euro guys.

Look I am not really an MLS guy but your hatred of the league borders on delusional.
Spot on.

MLS is the root of all evil. If MLS players do well, its because of better European players around them or because the competition was bad. If European guys do poorly, its because of either poor MLS players around them or because the coach.

bjelks
Post #110
Monday October 21, 2019 3:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
The recent performances where we got dominated by a team of 2nd and 3rd division Canadians?

Or the ones where we smacked by Mexico twice?

Or the ones where we drew a disinterested Uruguay team

I think we should really consider the difference between trying hard and playing well

I'm opposed to the concept of playing someone just for their experience if they're quality isn't good enough to help the team

We should be really assessing if Morris is as good as Weah once healthy, Holmes who can play wing as well, Sonora who's had injuries, and Reyna and Llaynez who are on the cusp of 1st team action for big clubs

I'd also invite Sabbi to camp, the more quality the Better
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Lilshmike
Post #111
Monday October 21, 2019 4:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from stoked3

I think quoting you to start my reply is appropriate I'll even bold it for you. Like, seriously, come on man, I'll add your other replies. Dude what are you even talking about...

The irony in your reply to me is two fold.

1. You blasted @spank for reading comprehension. but my post is about GB being a dud and his horrible player selection. Therefore I was giving an example of his hubris in his player selection, there is no logical person who believes Trapp should ever be called into even a camp cupcakes yet he still gets called in and plays-. Its called giving an example -I didn't blame Trapp for the Canada loss, so be careful about blasting others for something you failed to do, understand the argument/reading comprehension.

2. You always point out not liking the messenger vs the message-this seems to be a perfect example of you being on your soap box and responding to me when I didn't say anything about you-and what were you debating ? that I mentioned Trapp.

you need to stop your job as "calling people out" police, this is a forum made up of people who will have diff opinions than yours. Us keyboard warriors may not be soccer genius or have Nat talent, but many of us have played the game, I never made it past D1 but I understand the game the game never the less, I enjoy as a fan giving my opinion. Yours seem to be back the current players, no to euro guys, US soccer is great, we need not worry bc qualifying hasn't started. I strongly disagree and believe you should apply for a job with US soccer b.c they seem to keep the status quo as well.

As seen by attendance and soccer pundits there are other of us who thinks we need to try something new. That means from the youth system, pay to play, player selection, scouting, transparency, nepotism, etc

and to answer your question YES i think Trapp sucks and is taking someone else's spot -I believe prob 98 percent of the people on this forum think the same-who cares if he knows GB system he deserved 2 call ups during the 1st game or two that GB coached after that he should have been let go. Jaxson Y has shown more in his time than Trapp-
I'll respond to your points as follows:

1.) I called you out on Trapp because its been multiple times now that in giving an example you've singled out Trapp in a nonsense way. You called out Trapp and Bradley playing alongside one another in a previous thread (which, just hasn't happened and is completely false, and I called you out on), and you made a comment on GGG thinking he could make Trapp into a world class player - which is also kind of nonsense when you look at how GGG's starting lineups have evolved.

Trapp has only played 3 times in the last 10 games (once the full 90, once as a sub, and once started but subbed off), hes started once in the last 7 games (the one game he was subbed of), and not a single time in the last 3 games...

Look, I dislike Trapp just as much as the next guy... but he is not the problem. He can't negatively impact a game when he doesn't even play... so yeah, you're frustrated with the situation and using an example that scapegoats a guy who legitimately isn't even playing and has seen a noticeable decline in appearances/minutes/playing time/importance as we have progressed... something everyone wanted to see, but is still complaining about for some reason as though it hasn't happened.

2.) Hamsamwich called me out multiple times over multiple posts in a thread where I had not even made a post or comment. I on the other hand, replied directly to a comment of yours that you made in this thread. That is completely different... no need to even explain further.

3.) Yes... reading comprehension is an issue. You're stating that I back the current players, not Euro players, and think everything is great. Thats just ridiculous. Hahaha I legitimately posted the opposite in this thread. But, to clarify again for you, its not that I think our most recent camp had great players... but there really weren't many other better options who were available/not injured/willing to accept a call-up. Holmes, Adams, Brooks, Weah, Morales, Williams, Dest, Fabian Johnson, Nagbe... I mean seriously.

You, as with many others, are moaning about the player selections when there is legitimately almost an entire starting lineup of guys who likely would have been called had it not been for injury or declining to play. I'm not supporting and defending Berhalter and the MLS guys as the best players in our pool... I'm being realistic in saying that given the options available to Berhalter... there really isn't much else he has to work with, and that isn't his fault.

Lovitz, Roldan, and Trapp need to go. I want Zardes to go... but I still understand why he keeps getting called in. I'm more irritated that Bobby Wood and Novakovich are sucking as bad as they are to where Zardes even has to become a viable option in the first place. Bradley, although he's on the decline, still should be in the 23 in my mind, but just not as an every game starter. However, given that Adams, Holmes, Nagbe, Morales, Williams have all been unavailable, it doesn't leave us with too many options.

Thats not me backing and supporting the MLS guys, thats me being realistic. And its annoying that some of these (MLS) guys get called in and play (Roldan and Lovitz), but I'm holding final judgement until the November games. If we have the exact same group of players and do poorly in November with Canada wining our group... get rid of Berhalter ONLY if you have a backup immediately ready to go - Tab Ramos in my opinion. If Berhalter changes things up, bring in some new faces, we play well and win the group... then Berhalter has bought himself some more time and (in my mind) it shows progress towards what we want to see.

Fans want results immediately. Sometimes things take time. My attempt has always been to approach the situation from an unbiased viewpoint and put things into perspective.

Samtom23
Post #112
Monday October 21, 2019 4:21pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I would invite Sabbi to camp too. But I think Weah and Morris have different styles. Morris will mix it up a bit more. Weah will beat you with pace

I think Weah is great but hamstrings are tricky just ask Jozy. Also, I would consider giving him more time out of the limelight considering his father's political troubles at this time.

hamsamwich
Post #113
Monday October 21, 2019 4:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Morris playing better for his club than country what a shock. That's everyone these days. And so it shows the poor use of these players by the coach.

We have all been concerned over what happens after the 15-20'. That's when the adaptations start to occur in the game and where we struggle as Gregg doesn't adjust. It's a bad trend.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #114
Monday October 21, 2019 5:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 867
Original post from hamsamwich

Morris playing better for his club than country what a shock. That's everyone these days. And so it shows the poor use of these players by the coach.

We have all been concerned over what happens after the 15-20'. That's when the adaptations start to occur in the game and where we struggle as Gregg doesn't adjust. It's a bad trend.


As far as GB goes, I have seen enough already. I hope US soccer has too, we need a new coach.

Lilshmike
Post #115
Monday October 21, 2019 5:31pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from Kamphgruppe

As far as GB goes, I have seen enough already. I hope US soccer has too, we need a new coach.
Sure, but who takes the job right now?

Its pointless to fire the guy unless there is already someone who is qualified, available, and ready to take the position. Otherwise, the USSF is just shooting itself in the foot (again).

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #116
Monday October 21, 2019 6:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 867
Original post from Lilshmike

Sure, but who takes the job right now?

Its pointless to fire the guy unless there is already someone who is qualified, available, and ready to take the position. Otherwise, the USSF is just shooting itself in the foot (again).


We have guys coaching we could promote like Tab Ramos for example. We have MLS season ending, maybe Bob Bradley would like another go? GB keeps calling in the same shit guys and expecting different results. We now have 2 T&T type games because that is where I am putting the Canada game. If I had been the coach and seen my players jogging around the pitch like they could give two shits. I would have been kicking over the Gatorade and screaming my head off on the sidelines. We need a coaching change ASAP.

hamsamwich
Post #117
Monday October 21, 2019 7:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
So do you guys think there have even been candidates identified? I vote no. And since there were no interviews last time, I'm not sure they have a good background on prospective candidates. Maybe there is such a file and all that, but I doubt it. A draw vs Canada will be billed as a step forward despite it being a failure, because of course there will be a response from the team. We all hope they win but it will just be moving the decision farther down the line. This team is rudderless and the players smell blood in the water. The recent comments have not been great and we can all just hope a few wins cures all because it's not looking good in any way.

Lilshmike
Post #118
Monday October 21, 2019 9:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from Kamphgruppe

We have guys coaching we could promote like Tab Ramos for example. We have MLS season ending, maybe Bob Bradley would like another go? GB keeps calling in the same shit guys and expecting different results. We now have 2 T&T type games because that is where I am putting the Canada game. If I had been the coach and seen my players jogging around the pitch like they could give two shits. I would have been kicking over the Gatorade and screaming my head off on the sidelines. We need a coaching change ASAP.
Bob Bradley has done well at LAFC, but I wouldn't want him back for 2.0. Look at Arena 2.0... disaster. I don't think going back to an old name does much to move the USMNT forward. It would just be another band-aid with the intention of simply "getting the job done".

Lilshmike
Post #119
Monday October 21, 2019 9:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from hamsamwich

So do you guys think there have even been candidates identified? I vote no. And since there were no interviews last time, I'm not sure they have a good background on prospective candidates. Maybe there is such a file and all that, but I doubt it. A draw vs Canada will be billed as a step forward despite it being a failure, because of course there will be a response from the team. We all hope they win but it will just be moving the decision farther down the line. This team is rudderless and the players smell blood in the water. The recent comments have not been great and we can all just hope a few wins cures all because it's not looking good in any way.
A tie at home against Canada, resulting in Canada winning the group, does nothing as a step forward.

The USMNT needs to win convincingly at home. A loss and he should go. A tie... depends... I'll hold off until we see the players available and circumstances surrounding it. If we win by at least 3 goals, Berhalter should be in the clear. If we don't, then tough decisions are going to need to be made.

bjelks
Post #120
Monday October 21, 2019 9:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
https://www.instagram.com/p/B35KCW2HFyy/?igsh...

Sounds like Gregg or the Media been lying about Fab
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