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Lilshmike
Post #496
Wednesday November 20, 2019 3:58pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,303
Original post from db707

Well it was technically a home game for Cuba, the Cayman Islands were just trying to replicate their actual home conditions.

Yeah, I think Corey Baird is the new Alan Gordon, where people on here throw his name in there as someone to cry about getting callups, when in reality he rarely actually is on the game day roster (let alone plays) for the national team.
Or Omar Gonzalez

Lilshmike
Post #497
Wednesday November 20, 2019 4:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,303
Hahaha another thing...

We lose a game to Canada, and this site goes ballistic. We follow up with 2 wins against Canada and Cuba, win the group in Nations League, and silence...

People getting up in arms about players who didn't play (Trapp, Baird, Gonzalez), getting pissed over Zardes and then the guy scores 2 goals, claiming Morris is trash when he was arguably our best player (certainly our most productive) over these games, crying that some guys in the U23s (Sabbi in particular) should have been in the senior camp when they weren't even getting on the field with the U23s...

Funny how that happens. Most people post break downs of how they felt and things they saw... nope. Not today it seems.

Benhamin13
Washington, DC
Post #498
Wednesday November 20, 2019 4:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 39
I will chime in. We are a bad team. We have a bad coach. Morris may have been the best player in this class b or class c tournament. But it is nothing to brag about. It may have been a good time to call in new players. So many give-aways, not much creativity. Desire and hard work, yes. But we do not have 10 world cup worthy players on the field at the same time at this point. Mark me.

Lilshmike
Post #499
Wednesday November 20, 2019 4:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,303
Original post from Benhamin13

I will chime in. We are a bad team. We have a bad coach. Morris may have been the best player in this class b or class c tournament. But it is nothing to brag about. It may have been a good time to call in new players. So many give-aways, not much creativity. Desire and hard work, yes. But we do not have 10 world cup worthy players on the field at the same time at this point. Mark me.
Rational, and do not necessarily disagree.

I think if we have all of our best players healthy and playing, we have a solid starting 11 and aren't far off of being a good enough team to compete at the next WC. That being said, the reality is that we lack the quality that many fans think we have and their expectations are unrealistic with the talent level of our pool.

We are (for the most part) currently performing in line with what our expectations should be. No amount of giving random guys who play abroad caps for the sake of taking a look or shaking things up is going to change that right now. We have a lot of promising youth players... but they aren't there yet. This process is going to take time, and fans are expecting overnight change. Thats just not happening.

cudevil
Post #500
Wednesday November 20, 2019 6:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from Lilshmike

Rational, and do not necessarily disagree.

I think if we have all of our best players healthy and playing, we have a solid starting 11 and aren't far off of being a good enough team to compete at the next WC. That being said, the reality is that we lack the quality that many fans think we have and their expectations are unrealistic with the talent level of our pool.

We are (for the most part) currently performing in line with what our expectations should be. No amount of giving random guys who play abroad caps for the sake of taking a look or shaking things up is going to change that right now. We have a lot of promising youth players... but they aren't there yet. This process is going to take time, and fans are expecting overnight change. Thats just not happening.


Fans are tired of playing guys that aren't good now and have absolutely no future with the team.

blaise213
Post #501
Wednesday November 20, 2019 7:32pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
Original post from Lilshmike

Baird wasn't even on the roster.

And once again, Trapp did not play. Inevitably though, there will be some out there who blame him for some type of poor result, regardless of the fact that Berhalter clearly doesn't rate him as highly anymore.

One thing is for sure about last night, that field was terrible. I wouldn't be surprised if Berhalter made the changes he did to prevent some of the guys from getting potential injuries, Brooks in particular.


You're Right, it was Lovitz.

Just read on MLS Keaton Parks is going back to Benfica... but we got Roldan and Trapp

navi8132
New York
Post #502
Thursday November 21, 2019 12:25am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
I am going to take a hiatus from watching this team for a few months (or longer).

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #503
Thursday November 21, 2019 1:00am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 879
Djordje Mihailovic, Gianluca Busio, Aaron Long possibly all heading to Europe.

We beat Cuba 4-0 on a horrible field that was 2 inches wide. I am happy with the result.

Since it's clear were not getting rid of GB and we all know his weaknesses he is doing some good things. I like that he is finally showing some flexibility with his system and we can play old school when we need to. I liked that he took a lot of the starters out vs Cuba no reason to get them injured. I actually like what he is doing with Pulsic and Sargent. Pulsic played badly vs Canada (trying to hard in my opinion and lost his head) so he pulled him, he responded for Chelsea hopefully he does for us too. Sargent was very timid his last start, he pulled him and stated that Zardes was more hungry for goals. Sargent gets a brace this game and plays more direct. It seems clear to me that he is holding players accountable as we have not seen Trap start in a long while. I hope he continues to bring in some new players every camp and phases out some of the guys who clearly cant' cut it at the international level. I am crossing my fingers for the Hex, I really hope our starters stay healthy as we don't have great depth right now.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #504
Thursday November 21, 2019 1:04am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 879
Original post from bjelks

By scoring against part time players?


Did you forget that Morris scored against Mexico?
I understand everyone is frustrated that he didn't go to Europe but he is still a good player. He is still young enough to go to Europe if he wants to. He has won 2 MLS cups with the team he loves, Maybe now he will consider challenging himself more by going abroad. You also seem to forget he has been injured the last 2 seasons. Not sure what your issue with him is?

bjelks
Post #505
Thursday November 21, 2019 1:33am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,366
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Did you forget that Morris scored against Mexico?
I understand everyone is frustrated that he didn't go to Europe but he is still a good player. He is still young enough to go to Europe if he wants to. He has won 2 MLS cups with the team he loves, Maybe now he will consider challenging himself more by going abroad. You also seem to forget he has been injured the last 2 seasons. Not sure what your issue with him is?


We haven't scored against Mexico in 2019.
He scored against Mexico's B team.
He's good at trying hard and running onto 2nd balls.
That doesn't make him good against high level competition or even playing a technical brand of soccer.
I don't believe he's earned his place, but he has the look and background us soccer wants to promote, he tries hard and has been effective against low level competition at the club and intl level.
I believe he is overhyped and it will take a miracle to get him out of the team.
There's no evidence that Ully, Konrad, Weah, Holmes, Sonora, or Sabbi wouldn't shred this competition but we'll never see because US Soccer only gives opportunities to youth and low tier league players that look like Morris.
He's everything that's wrong with the USMNT and the Fed.

If you want me to shut up and respect him, petition for him to go to Europe and earn a spot.
I doubt he will, because you guys praise his every mediocre move in mls
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #506
Thursday November 21, 2019 3:42am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
I think the biggest improvement with Morris is his decision making tempo is quicker. He's always had good speed, but he was a bit ponderous on the ball. He is better in that area and making progress...great to see.

Awareness and passing tempo...It's the thing that gets Yueill on the field, he processes info so quickly and has vision. He has the potential to be a very good international player.

If he was a step quicker, with mid level international speed...he'd have the potential to play in the top leagues in the world.

But yeah, Morris is getting there...starting to figure it out.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #507
Thursday November 21, 2019 5:04am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from Lilshmike

Rational, and do not necessarily disagree.

I think if we have all of our best players healthy and playing, we have a solid starting 11 and aren't far off of being a good enough team to compete at the next WC. That being said, the reality is that we lack the quality that many fans think we have and their expectations are unrealistic with the talent level of our pool.

We are (for the most part) currently performing in line with what our expectations should be. No amount of giving random guys who play abroad caps for the sake of taking a look or shaking things up is going to change that right now. We have a lot of promising youth players... but they aren't there yet. This process is going to take time, and fans are expecting overnight change. Thats just not happening.


Its not just the fans, most US analysts, former players agree the team is a mess. To say we are in line with expectations is what Jay, Ernie, Greg say everyone else seems to have more faith in the players. We have gone from being lock to make WC, to expecting getting out of the group, to maybe advancing further, to not qualifying, losing to Canada and being happy about then beating canada at home-that buddy is a fall from grace.

You are right we do have 11 good players and then we have depth players whom are good as well, however they do not get a chance.

Random guys like: Green (who has scored in a WC) Fabian-we played great in WC, Holmes who is in form and showed well for the Nats, JS who plays and scores in a top 5 league but can't beat out bardes, Trapp/Roldon getting called over Williams, Pomk, etc

Your quote finally admits your bias against players abroad-Im curious why, but I guess you answered that by saying the team is where it should be, everyone else in the US wants the team to progress further at a very min we should be where we were 8 years ago where making the WC was a given.

You say we have a solid 11 and we can progress in WC but then say we lack talent?

You further say progression takes time-how much time are you looking for? It has been 2 yrs since the debacle at t/t, since then we haven't progressed-we haven't tried out many new players, our young players who have potential to be world class sit or don't get called up and they can't beat out bunk mls guys.

Yes we are beyond annoyed that trap gets called if GB doesnt rate him don't call in, bring in someone new, but he clearly rates: roldon, lovitz, ream, zardes , we had lovitz start over Dest-what planet does that make sense, if you want to theorize he did that so they didn't get hurt well then why not bring more fringe players.

It was funny reading all the pundits grade for the 2019 yr, I didn't read any that gave this team better than a C-, most giving them a D to d-.

Most of us believe in this team, the potential, the potential depth pieces, and wanting to try new people-we don't believe in GB to put them in the right spots, or call in the best players, or take risk with call ups, or US soccer to look out for the team minus the MLS guys.
Stoked
Samtom23
Post #508
Thursday November 21, 2019 5:23am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 124
Morris is fine now. He has shown competitiveness, skill and composure. No arguments from me about his spot. I do think Cuba should've been a good chance to give experience to new players in hindsight. We trounced them 7-o a month before and we know 7 players deflected from Cuba. A wasted opportunity to get young players involved. You bring the strong squad for Canada and a watered down squad for Cuba.

Trotting out Ream, Roldan, Arriola, Long nothing is really learned.

I think particularly at LB we are very weak. So instead of trying Lovitz, I would called in Robinson. His previous call-ups he looked overly excited. It would've been nice to get any player besides Lovitz at LB.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #509
Thursday November 21, 2019 6:02am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from Samtom23

Morris is fine now. He has shown competitiveness, skill and composure. No arguments from me about his spot. I do think Cuba should've been a good chance to give experience to new players in hindsight. We trounced them 7-o a month before and we know 7 players deflected from Cuba. A wasted opportunity to get young players involved. You bring the strong squad for Canada and a watered down squad for Cuba.

Trotting out Ream, Roldan, Arriola, Long nothing is really learned.

I think particularly at LB we are very weak. So instead of trying Lovitz, I would called in Robinson. His previous call-ups he looked overly excited. It would've been nice to get any player besides Lovitz at LB.


I agree. I wish Morris would go overseas and play to refine his touch, he has world class speed, the american attitude and grit, he is a gamer-his weakness is the touch-for me he is in my 23 but a guy who comes on in the 65 or 70th min and runs at tired legs. If he gets a better touch and learns how to beat someone 1v1 not though speed but skill then he could be a starter but he is our least concerns -but would love to see him, busio, long, move across the pond
Stoked
Samtom23
Post #510
Thursday November 21, 2019 9:22am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 124
I don't mind Morris staying here because it is a personal choice to live abroad or not. And I don't mind seeing some young Seattle kid going to watch and that young kid becomes a USMNT ten years on. The kids know about Pulisic now but only a few have a chance to see in person. Where as Morris theyc can see frequently. Maybe Morris goes to Qatar and scores a few and becomes a sensation then inspires some other kids.

It does appear there is some favoritism towards MLS players and a really cautious approach to bringing in youth or non MLS players. At some point in time, you HAVE to build depth. Our best striker currently is Jozy, his best European season came in the Everdivisie (spelling unsure) then went on to Sunderland and had a poor goal scoring record. So should USA not have called in Jozy while he was at Sunderland? Haji Wright is playing in the Everdivisie currently. Not a lot of playing time but playing against quality opposition. Why not call him in and see what he can do? Especially, when you yourself said we don't have enough talent, Lilshimike? Against Cuba what risk is there?

And it is a sake for taking a look. You are not going to learn anything relying on second hand reports and youtube video clips. They have to be given a chance and considering our weaknesses at forward and left back it would be important to first hand.

I am not looking for overnight change. I am looking to see an approach that is well defined and pragmatic. To GB's credit he changed tactics a little bit but this Cuba game was another missed opportunity to look at your player pool. You could had a solid start 11 and almost anything else against Cuba.

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