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Lilshmike
Post #466
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,301
Original post from stoked3

No he is literally telling you he finds your annoying and doesn't want to respond. i have said it before and will say it again you are not a soccer genius your opinion is not superior to anyone else's on this board-I think you, Db, Ernie and Jay are the only ones in america who are happy with GB-this game proved nothing-in fact if i took myself serious I would point out that I predicted a 2 goal win what 3 days ago, and I said it would set our program back-and we won and yes I think it sets us back. To play Zardes over Sargaent is beyond baffling if we are considering the future and WCQ.

you constantly defend selections by using stats from who knows where-the performance last night was not good if we are being honest-but we certainly looked better than last game, 2 prime examples of what everyone has been saying minus you re player selection/callups is not better than SL and JY

Roldon vs Lleget and Yeuill Vs Trapp/Bradley

SL is clearly better than roldon, in fact he rarely looks out of place when he plays and he has technical skills to go along with his effort. His performance last night should insure we never seen Roldon called up again. never seen roldon use space and then the outside of the boot to deliver a fast one touch perfect cross into the box.

JY proved now for the 2nd time we never need to see Trapp-you get stuck on well traps didn't play blah blah but what he did was waste a spot. would JY be further along if he had been given the same amount of call ups as trapp.
Haha first and foremost, what opinion did I give in that post of mine? There was legitimately no opinion whatsoever in my post to hamsamwich. I called out hamsamwich for making a blatantly false statement, which he tried to use to prove his point. It was a made up lie.

I'm not claiming to be some genius, but it's easy to backup your statements when you're consistent and apply the same standard to every player in the pool. Not only that, but again, reading comprehension is an issue because I legitimately said in this thread that I am more against Berhalter than with him. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but I also understand that there is a lot that is not in his control. Theres a reason people like him are where they are and people like you and I are behind keyboards.

And enlighten me please, what stats from who knows where have I used? Seriously, back that up with something because the only "stats" I've used have been to rationalize Zardes continued call ups. And guess what... I'm not wrong. Hes been producing more club goals than pretty much every other ST in our pool. That's not opinion, that's fact buddy. And again, I don't rate the guy, but it shouldn't be a big surprise that he gets called in when the rest of our forwards aren't putting up the same numbers as him.

And yes, I continue to laugh about the Trapp situation because people continue to claim that he plays when he doesn't. I believe it was you who stated that Berhalter is trying to make Trapp into an international star... but that is completely false as evidenced by his lack of minutes and the guys playing in front of him, and I called you out on it. Is it annoying that we could be potentially using his spot to take a look at someone else? Yes, but it's not the end of the world as you and others make it out to be when you're legitimately moaning about a bench player. In the grand scheme of things, Trapp getting called in to sit the bench isn't a factor in our results. And as I noted in a previous post, you and others wanted Trapp to not play anymore or be a bench option at best... and it's happening and you're still complaining.

Lilshmike
Post #467
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,301
Original post from 2tone

It's not a meaningless game and Sargent was pretty bad last month against Canada. Zardes over Sargent until Sargent can prove he is a better option.
Spot on.

To be blunt, Sargent has yet to prove hes good enough to be our main man up top. Not saying that Zardes has or anything like that, but the hype train on the kid is outrageous.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #468
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:23pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
This is the arguments for most detractors after every loss....USMNT loses against Canada... 1.oh we suck at soccer we should give up. 2. US doesn't have our best athletes playing soccer, so we will never be good. 3. Play 17 year olds for the USMNT because they are better than our current players. 4. It's clear Canada is pulling ahead of the US. Same detractors after every win..... USMNT beats Canada 4-1. 1. It's Canada we should beat them, they are semi pro players(when they clearly are not), 2. the US got lucky, 3. who cares if we win. 4. I still hate the team. 5. The US will never beat the better teams.

This shit makes me laugh all of the time. No matter what the detractors and haters will always come up with negative comments.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #469
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 871
Original post from 2tone

This is the arguments for most detractors after every loss....USMNT loses against Canada... 1.oh we suck at soccer we should give up. 2. US doesn't have our best athletes playing soccer, so we will never be good. 3. Play 17 year olds for the USMNT because they are better than our current players. 4. It's clear Canada is pulling ahead of the US. Same detractors after every win..... USMNT beats Canada 4-1. 1. It's Canada we should beat them, they are semi pro players(when they clearly are not), 2. the US got lucky, 3. who cares if we win. 4. I still hate the team. 5. The US will never beat the better teams.

This shit makes me laugh all of the time. No matter what the detractors and haters will always come up with negative comments.


+1000 %

Lilshmike
Post #470
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:43pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,301
Original post from 2tone

This is the arguments for most detractors after every loss....USMNT loses against Canada... 1.oh we suck at soccer we should give up. 2. US doesn't have our best athletes playing soccer, so we will never be good. 3. Play 17 year olds for the USMNT because they are better than our current players. 4. It's clear Canada is pulling ahead of the US. Same detractors after every win..... USMNT beats Canada 4-1. 1. It's Canada we should beat them, they are semi pro players(when they clearly are not), 2. the US got lucky, 3. who cares if we win. 4. I still hate the team. 5. The US will never beat the better teams.

This shit makes me laugh all of the time. No matter what the detractors and haters will always come up with negative comments.
Haha exactly, spot on.

Hey, can't forget that racism is also a reason we lose!

db707
Post #471
Saturday November 16, 2019 8:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from Lilshmike

Haha exactly, spot on.

Hey, can't forget that racism is also a reason we lose!


Always, and regardless of all evidence to the contrary.

I don't think this has been mentioned, but we should avoid Mexico in the semis, because Costa Rica has tied twice and is likely to be the 4th best group winner. Probably would get Honduras, who have won their group already, either in the U.S. or at a neutral site in June 2020.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #472
Saturday November 16, 2019 9:03pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from 2tone

It's not a meaningless game and Sargent was pretty bad last month against Canada. Zardes over Sargent until Sargent can prove he is a better option.


everyone sucked vs last canada game and frankly a lot of our "fringe auto starters" have sucked for a cple yrs now so is the standard one bad game and you don't play? see that is a point. You are hinting that he played bad last game but so he should sit. But that same standard doesn't apply to any other player--

serious question: could Zardes make the bench for the Weder B reserve team? would he ever make the game day roster for WB 1st team? Would he ever see the pitch? He is what 27 or 28? fair to say he will not get better has not gotten better.

Sargent has made the team, started and subbed on, and he has goals and assists at the ripe age of 19. Does that mean he is a wonder boy and savior of our program NOPE-does it mean in theory he has more skill and potential than Zardes yep. Does it mean he is farther along than Bardes currenty in his development and in theory should continue to get better, yes.

Good ol ernie said we are playing with the future in mind.
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #473
Saturday November 16, 2019 9:18pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from 2tone

This is the arguments for most detractors after every loss....USMNT loses against Canada... 1.oh we suck at soccer we should give up. 2. US doesn't have our best athletes playing soccer, so we will never be good. 3. Play 17 year olds for the USMNT because they are better than our current players. 4. It's clear Canada is pulling ahead of the US. Same detractors after every win..... USMNT beats Canada 4-1. 1. It's Canada we should beat them, they are semi pro players(when they clearly are not), 2. the US got lucky, 3. who cares if we win. 4. I still hate the team. 5. The US will never beat the better teams.

This shit makes me laugh all of the time. No matter what the detractors and haters will always come up with negative comments.


if you are referencing me you couldn't be more wrong. I love the Nats, I was crushed we didn't qualify and as someone who loves the sport and the team want to insure that never happens again. To get better you need to be honest about assessment. I cheered last night every goal at the same time saying this soccer is not great and if we made the WC and played this way against a quality team we would easily be 3 and out of the group stage.

I have said several times-I actually don't mind if GB plays out of the back, in fact I said after the mexico I didn't mind the result since we were trying something proactive. But if you are going to try to play like that you need to get rid of the guys who do not have skill and technique.

so yes it was a no win situation for GB which is why I said we should have brought fringe guys. If we lost to canada its worse than we thought there is nothing controversial about that, if we win it is not a big deal, same for cuba if we don't win6 nil its not a good result. to say if we play the way we played last night we would not beat mexico or any team outside of concacaf is not controversial.

thats not hate-I want to get back to the days where making the WC is automatic, and the expectation is we get out of the group. Today we are at the point where 13k people are watching games on home soil and we are beating canada and being thrilled .

Regarding the game not being important there were a couple articles speculating that CP and stefan injuries were not as bad as they seemed but they didn't see the value of these games. Im not saying that is true but not to many people take these games as important.

US favorite MB90 said the same thing.

now we play cuba it will be the same thing. all of us on this board could play and beat cuba. It was a perfect time to try new guys.

To be clear I would have been happy if we played canada yesterday and lost but tried a healthy Robinson, Pomk, Jesus F, Busio, Ricahrds, EPB, Led, Mendez. So its not about hate its about the future its about WC its about making it out of group. To do so we have to beat good teams, Ill gladly sacrifice a win vs canada to look at some of the above guys
Stoked
Know Nothing
Post #474
Saturday November 16, 2019 10:13pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
I keep hearing we are trying to play out of the back but have not seen us set up to do that. I remember one time during open play where Zardes was at the top of our defensive D. Talk about inviting pressure.

I also hear GB sees Yedlin as a winger. Okay...play three at the back and play Yedlin and Dest as wingbacks and give Weah and CP free roles behind a striker. You at least give yourself a better setup to play out.

I can dream of 2022 and see a possible lineup of

Steffen
(three from EPB, Brooks, Long, MRichards, and Miazga)
Yedlin/Cannon/Dest, Adams, Mckennie/Yuell/Hyndmann, Dest/Gloster/Robinson
Weah, CP
Sargent/Zardes/Soto

I left it open ended for a reason. I have a feeling Miazga and GB have had a falling out and MM will not be getting called for a while.

Going forward this will be Tyler Adams team. CP is our best player but IMO Adams is our most important player.

blaise213
Post #475
Saturday November 16, 2019 11:29pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,993
I didn't watch the game but I'll make my same NBA reference.

The Golden State Warriors are shit right now. They have 2 superstars and that's it. The supporting players are garbage. Sure they might beat a few decent teams but they're not gonna win against the better teams ( Lakers, Celtics, Rockets). What do the fans want ?? They want better players brought in........ that is the USMNT right now.

db707
Post #476
Sunday November 17, 2019 6:36am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from blaise213

I didn't watch the game but I'll make my same NBA reference.

The Golden State Warriors are shit right now. They have 2 superstars and that's it. The supporting players are garbage. Sure they might beat a few decent teams but they're not gonna win against the better teams ( Lakers, Celtics, Rockets). What do the fans want ?? They want better players brought in........ that is the USMNT right now.


Terrible analogy, you're comparing a club team, who can theoretically bring anyone they want in, to a national team, who cannot. We have guys who have cases being left out, yes, but even then some of them are second division guys (Holmes, Green), and none of them are superstars. And then there are the calls by you and others for kids you haven't seen play at first team level (often because they haven't played first team yet), kids who may become superstars, but clearly are not there yet. I want there to be real competition for spots as much as anybody, and have often decried Berhalter's favoritism, but our pool of proven players to choose from isn't exactly deep nor infinite.

Samtom23
Post #477
Sunday November 17, 2019 7:43am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 122
But we are not looking for now but two years from now. Bayern called up Richards to train with first team because of need. We have needs all over our roster. So why not give young players a chance? And you mentioned Holmes but Ream plays in the same division.

I think Holmes and Lletget are comparable but Holmes a few years younger. I am not sure who we see versus Cuba. But it is Cuba so doesn't even matter?

We got start giving youth experience and players the chance to play together. Stop wasting roster spots.

db707
Post #478
Sunday November 17, 2019 10:54am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from Samtom23

But we are not looking for now but two years from now. Bayern called up Richards to train with first team because of need. We have needs all over our roster. So why not give young players a chance? And you mentioned Holmes but Ream plays in the same division.

I think Holmes and Lletget are comparable but Holmes a few years younger. I am not sure who we see versus Cuba. But it is Cuba so doesn't even matter?

We got start giving youth experience and players the chance to play together. Stop wasting roster spots.


I said Holmes had a case, a good one in my view, and I'd like to see him recalled. But neither he nor Ream are superstars. One got selected, one didn't, neither decision is a travesty. And I am all for giving young players chances once they have actually done something like make a first team. But why the rush to call kids to the senior team who may never pan out? We have young players who look promising all the time and then don't pan out like we would have hoped or have their careers derailed due to injury before they can get established. Getting them experience playing together is what the U-20 and U-23 teams are for.

Samtom23
Post #479
Sunday November 17, 2019 12:07pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 122
I can understand your point but we just have a different of opinion which is fine. We enjoy a healthy debate. At least we care about our team. I looked forward to the January camp. Will it be more European based players since MLS season is not active?

Will Weah, Adams, have recovered? Ledezema and Llanez broken into first team as well as Richards?

db707
Post #480
Sunday November 17, 2019 4:37pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from Samtom23

I can understand your point but we just have a different of opinion which is fine. We enjoy a healthy debate. At least we care about our team. I looked forward to the January camp. Will it be more European based players since MLS season is not active?

Will Weah, Adams, have recovered? Ledezema and Llanez broken into first team as well as Richards?


I appreciate that sentiment. Definitely hope we have a few more options to choose from in January. Adams in particular, his injury troubles are worrying.

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