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bjelks
Post #451
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,620
Original post from Lilshmike

Hahaha it's hilarious that everyone on here crapped on Zardes, then he turns out a performance like last night. Everyone craps on Trapp, and he still isn't playing or dressing for games. People crap on Morris, and he was arguably our best player last night.

We had a very similar cast of characters last night to the team who lost to Canada in the previous game. Canada had the same team. For everyone complaining that it was because of Berhalters instructions, tactics, player selections, or that MLS players were on the field... I think it's safe to say that most of it last time around was the player mentality on the field.


I will say that Canada sucks and with a team as bad as we even had last night we can still lose to a terrible team if we're outworked.

I think it's more of a revelation of how bad the selections are that they are capable of playing bad enough to lose to a team full of 3rd division players or semi pros if they don't work hard enough as oppose to how good the team is.
The same shit happened in Trinidad and we keep hearing the same bs excuses, when we've made no progress .

If these guys had quality they'd beat Mexico, Uruguay or Chile convincingly and they haven't.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #452
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from bjelks

Lol even when you claim to not be defending mls, you're defending mls. Saying it doesn't matter where you play and insinuating a team full of mostly mls players can compete with anyone if they play with passion and drive goes against any sensible world football wisdom and is completely unproven. This is defending and being bias to Mls. Not acknowledging that we have much better players in equal or better leagues that aren't getting chances is again defending and being bias to mls. Not acknowledging that there are mls players that indeed do suck at the intl level is again defending and being bias to mls. Trapp, lovitz, Roldan, baird indeed do suck. Long, arriola, Morris, Zman, Zardes suck by intl standards. MB90 isn't jogging, he's just slow lol. So many excuses for mls players.

And you guys wonder why we've been terrible for 3 yrs and get smacked by quality teams


You are so ridiculous! I insinuated no such thing! Again you try to put words into my mouth and say things which are not even remotely close to what I actually said. Not once did I say this team could compete with anyone where did that come from? I have never said guys from other leagues should not get opportunities either. I don't think you actually read my post! I think you just make up shit to post the same drivel post after post.
Let me just give you an example, you used to tout Wooten as a guy who should be called up because he played in Europe. He was never more than a journeyman player with his only double digit scoring season being 17 goals in the 3rd division Germany. You kept saying he should be called up over Altidore, Zardes, Morris etc. and that it was racism and the good old boy system that kept him out. He came to MLS and could not even get playing time. He was never good enough, it had nothing to do with all the bullshit you posted about MLS bias. I thought it was funny when he moved to MLS you never posted about him again! You have opinions about players that have nothing to do with reality and you have zero ability to judge talent. That is why no one takes you seriously.

Samtom23
Post #453
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:44pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 290
Well, I still crap on Zardes. And it also player selections. There was no Roldan, instead you had Lletget which I have no problem with but would prefer a player a couple of years younger.

Roldan shouldn't have been anywhere near USMNT rosters. And having Ream on the roster is a head scratcher to me. But Cannon/Yedlin there much better.

But you cannot say his possession based approach worked considering Canada had 64% possession versus 36% for USA. I like Morris for 2022 but as a depth piece. Some of the younger players might push him to the bench. Namely a healthy Weah.

Also, Canada played Alphonso Davies as a defender which tells you, Canada was not going for the win but protecting goal difference.

whyneverme
Post #454
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:57pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 83
Seems weird there has been so much chatter about Morris who had a goal and an assist and nothing is being said about Arriola who did...... some running? I would like to see Weah replace PA not JM....

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #455
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,544
Original post from Samtom23

Well, I still crap on Zardes. And it also player selections. There was no Roldan, instead you had Lletget which I have no problem with but would prefer a player a couple of years younger.

Roldan shouldn't have been anywhere near USMNT rosters. And having Ream on the roster is a head scratcher to me. But Cannon/Yedlin there much better.

But you cannot say his possession based approach worked considering Canada had 64% possession versus 36% for USA. I like Morris for 2022 but as a depth piece. Some of the younger players might push him to the bench. Namely a healthy Weah.

Also, Canada played Alphonso Davies as a defender which tells you, Canada was not going for the win but protecting goal difference.


US scored early and often. They didn't need possession. Possession stars have always been overrated. Weah has a lot of catching up to do. And quite frankly I see Weah as more of a striker than a winger. His best moments for Lille before his injury was when he was played as a second striker.

bjelks
Post #456
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,620
Original post from Kamphgruppe

You are so ridiculous! I insinuated no such thing! Again you try to put words into my mouth and say things which are not even remotely close to what I actually said. Not once did I say this team could compete with anyone where did that come from? I have never said guys from other leagues should not get opportunities either. I don't think you actually read my post! I think you just make up shit to post the same drivel post after post.
Let me just give you an example, you used to tout Wooten as a guy who should be called up because he played in Europe. He was never more than a journeyman player with his only double digit scoring season being 17 goals in the 3rd division Germany. You kept saying he should be called up over Altidore, Zardes, Morris etc. and that it was racism and the good old boy system that kept him out. He came to MLS and could not even get playing time. He was never good enough, it had nothing to do with all the bullshit you posted about MLS bias. I thought it was funny when he moved to MLS you never posted about him again! You have opinions about players that have nothing to do with reality and you have zero ability to judge talent. That is why no one takes you seriously.


You literally praised the mls guys for their passion in their monster win over a shitty team and you have never once criticized player selection. Then you say dumb shit like I just want to see our guys whoever they are play hard. Who gives a fuck if you play hard if you suck.
Wooten played in 2nd division and was a top scorer. You just made up a blatant lie to support your bullshit narrative. Obviously he came to mls because he was ready to collect an easy check and prepare to retire. I don't follow mls more than casually so I don't think much of who plays there or what they do especially after 23. Not that he wasn't good enough for mls. Nobody outside of North America rates mls, and that's a fuckin fact. This is when you sound like a tool.
Again it's a bold face lie when you and your fan boy trump supporters say no one takes me seriously when your sorry ass gets worked up when I challenge your fan boyness.
Clown.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #457
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:44pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from bjelks

You literally praised the mls guys for their passion in their monster win over a shitty team and you have never once criticized player selection. Then you say dumb shit like I just want to see our guys whoever they are play hard. Who gives a fuck if you play hard if you suck.
Wooten played in 2nd division and was a top scorer. You just made up a blatant lie to support your bullshit narrative. Obviously he came to mls because he was ready to collect an easy check and prepare to retire. I don't follow mls more than casually so I don't think much of who plays there or what they do especially after 23. Not that he wasn't good enough for mls. Nobody outside of North America rates mls, and that's a fuckin fact. This is when you sound like a tool.
Again it's a bold face lie when you and your fan boy trump supporters say no one takes me seriously when your sorry ass gets worked up when I challenge your fan boyness.
Clown.


Praised all the players for playing with heart, nothing about just MLS guys. Ok 2nd division my bad thought it was 3rd I will have to look that up (blatant lie really? ROFL), he was a top scorer one time in his whole career, one season on double digit goals and you thought he was gods gift to football. I don't care if you challenge anyone, you simply don't hold the same standards for players. Euro guys get a pass with you and MLS guys suck even when they play well. Euro guys were bad Vs Canada last game, You gave them a free pass and blamed it on MLS players, YOU ARE THE FANBOY not me, I hold all players accountable MLS and Euro guys. You have a Euro bias as I have proven by bringing up your love of Wooten, he is not the only example. You are the clown ROFL

whyneverme
Post #458
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 83
Any report on Weah's status? He was injured in late August... a pulled muscle that takes over 8 weeks to heal seems odd to me in my completely non-qualified medical opinion....

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #459
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,544
The way Ream looked at LB last night, I wouldn't mind seeing that again. Just because I think Dest at RB should continue. But Dest can definitely play at RW too.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #460
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,544
Original post from whyneverme

Any report on Weah's status? He was injured in late August... a pulled muscle that takes over 8 weeks to heal seems odd to me in my completely non-qualified medical opinion....


I thought he was close to returning to first team action.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #461
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:36pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Original post from Lilshmike

Yes, in fact you were wrong. Berhalter did not tell the Seattle manager to play Morris at wing instead of ST, and it is that reason that he has shifted to wing for both club and country. That is what you claimed. That is completely and totally false.

Haha now you are reverting to the bjelks comebacks... that someone is a fanboy or puppet of USSF. I didn't defend, nor make any statements on Berhalter... I simply asked you to bring proof for your statement (which there was none) and called you out for making false claim... a claim that you literally used to defend your own personal opinion that Berhalter isn't using player (MLS players in particular) to their strengths. That's the definition of scapegoating.


No he is literally telling you he finds your annoying and doesn't want to respond. i have said it before and will say it again you are not a soccer genius your opinion is not superior to anyone else's on this board--I think you, Db, Ernie and Jay are the only ones in america who are happy with GB-this game proved nothing-in fact if i took myself serious I would point out that I predicted a 2 goal win what 3 days ago, and I said it would set our program back-and we won and yes I think it sets us back. To play Zardes over Sargaent is beyond baffling if we are considering the future and WCQ.

you constantly defend selections by using stats from who knows where-the performance last night was not good if we are being honest-but we certainly looked better than last game, 2 prime examples of what everyone has been saying minus you re player selection/callups is not better than SL and JY

Roldon vs Lleget and Yeuill Vs Trapp/Bradley

SL is clearly better than roldon, in fact he rarely looks out of place when he plays and he has technical skills to go along with his effort. His performance last night should insure we never seen Roldon called up again. never seen roldon use space and then the outside of the boot to deliver a fast one touch perfect cross into the box.

JY proved now for the 2nd time we never need to see Trapp-you get stuck on well traps didn't play blah blah but what he did was waste a spot. would JY be further along if he had been given the same amount of call ups as trapp.
Stoked
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #462
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,544
Original post from stoked3

No he is literally telling you he finds your annoying and doesn't want to respond. i have said it before and will say it again you are not a soccer genius your opinion is not superior to anyone else's on this board-I think you, Db, Ernie and Jay are the only ones in america who are happy with GB-this game proved nothing-in fact if i took myself serious I would point out that I predicted a 2 goal win what 3 days ago, and I said it would set our program back-and we won and yes I think it sets us back. To play Zardes over Sargaent is beyond baffling if we are considering the future and WCQ.

you constantly defend selections by using stats from who knows where-the performance last night was not good if we are being honest-but we certainly looked better than last game, 2 prime examples of what everyone has been saying minus you re player selection/callups is not better than SL and JY

Roldon vs Lleget and Yeuill Vs Trapp/Bradley

SL is clearly better than roldon, in fact he rarely looks out of place when he plays and he has technical skills to go along with his effort. His performance last night should insure we never seen Roldon called up again. never seen roldon use space and then the outside of the boot to deliver a fast one touch perfect cross into the box.

JY proved now for the 2nd time we never need to see Trapp-you get stuck on well traps didn't play blah blah but what he did was waste a spot. would JY be further along if he had been given the same amount of call ups as trapp.


Not baffling at all to play Zardes over Sargent. Sargent continues to struggle to adapt to the Bundesliga as a striker, and he isn't as active as Zardes is. By the way Zardes is now a head of Brian Ching with twelve USMNT goals. Zardes intangibles beat out Sargents right now. Gyasi will be 30 at the WC. Which is not old. Sargent needs to develop and there is no better way to develop than have Zardes and Altidore pushing him.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #463
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:56pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Posted on wrong topic sorry.

First it is semi good to get a win. It was good to see effort that said it shows how far we have fallen when we are over joyed to beat canada at home.

Brooks-I know he is rusty but honestly he has some scary moments throughout games. we need to see M Robinson,EPB, Richards get some PT as a back up

Ream, no thx for a go forward option unless is CB

Dest well easily the best us player on the field-I would like to see him at RW or maybe even as a creative option, he dribbled great in tight spaces, has swagger, great touch,

SL -has proven we no longer need Baird, or Roldon to be called up instead we can use those 2 spots for Green and Holmes

JY-while not sold on him being INT caliber he certainly is better than Trapp and we should never see Trapp again

Bardes over Sargaent -baffling

McKennie -if we are being honest we need to figure out how to get the best out of him his touch to often is not great-be interested in him somewhere else on the field. Also to be fair he plays better when adams is on the field.

Im fine with morris as a 60th min sub running at tired legs-but please look at alot of his touches even on his assist-it was a bad 1st touch against a good team he never gets that cross in, he needs to go overseas

Guzman, thx but we need to see the other keeper Horvath and whomever from MLS

Long played fine he needs to be over seas

you can clearly see the difference in touch with the euro guys and mls guys- you see more effort from mls guys to make up for lack of technical skills -we need guys who give effort but we also need guys with skill. Watch Dest run and shot at full speed ball was close to his foot, then go look at morris assist..

Paul A-everbody loves his effort if we really need to call him which we don't, he should be a call up but in our 11 only due to injury-its alot of running with poor skill-we have better options.

overall better effort but shouldn't that be a given? beat a team at home that we haven't lost to at home in X yrs should we really be excited? Only thing for me that was good was Dest, he is a great talent.

The negatives-we used guys like Bardes who will no doubt be on our WCQ team and will play over JS not get for development. Our overall play was not grt kudos to scoring on set pieces but we need to see more from run of play-Dest run was fun to watch but so were all of his touches
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #464
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:12pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Original post from 2tone

Not baffling at all to play Zardes over Sargent. Sargent continues to struggle to adapt to the Bundesliga as a striker, and he isn't as active as Zardes is. By the way Zardes is now a head of Brian Ching with twelve USMNT goals. Zardes intangibles beat out Sargents right now. Gyasi will be 30 at the WC. Which is not old. Sargent needs to develop and there is no better way to develop than have Zardes and Altidore pushing him.


Actually guys on this board say the way to develop is through playing. Ernie just said we are building for the future. Ill give you that JS doesn't hustle like Zardes and I would like to see him push more BUT he has composure on the ball in the box, can trap and pass 1st touch isn't 4. feet in front of him.

He is clearly the better long term option and clearly more skilled than Bardes now, to not play him in a meaningless game to everyone minus Canada is silly. Do you think it is better than he gets PT at this level now so he is ready for WCQ or are you saying you think Bardes would be your 1st choice option up top in a WC or WCQ?

Good for Bardes that he is climbing the scoring latter I personally like the guy and he would be on my team if I was not mls coach-but he should not get PT Over JS . if you really want him on the roster put him in at the 80th min mark if we are winning and pulls JS. I would be fine with that
Stoked
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #465
Saturday November 16, 2019 7:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,544
Original post from stoked3

Actually guys on this board say the way to develop is through playing. Ernie just said we are building for the future. Ill give you that JS doesn't hustle like Zardes and I would like to see him push more BUT he has composure on the ball in the box, can trap and pass 1st touch isn't 4. feet in front of him.

He is clearly the better long term option and clearly more skilled than Bardes now, to not play him in a meaningless game to everyone minus Canada is silly. Do you think it is better than he gets PT at this level now so he is ready for WCQ or are you saying you think Bardes would be your 1st choice option up top in a WC or WCQ?

Good for Bardes that he is climbing the scoring latter I personally like the guy and he would be on my team if I was not mls coach-but he should not get PT Over JS . if you really want him on the roster put him in at the 80th min mark if we are winning and pulls JS. I would be fine with that


It's not a meaningless game and Sargent was pretty bad last month against Canada. Zardes over Sargent until Sargent can prove he is a better option.

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