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db707
Post #436
Saturday November 16, 2019 4:59am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,065
Original post from 2tone

I bet Bjelks is having a stroke with how well the MLS players are playing.

3-0!


Would need a brain for a stroke.

camparkinson
Post #437
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:01am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 340
Morris and Lletget were both quite good and USA offense suffered massively once Lletget left and USA went to the dreaded triple CDM lineup...

McKennie struggled and had the worst single moment of any player with that insane pass. Yuell was solid and he took a lot of punishment from late tackles from Canada, shocked he didn't rip apart his knee on that late one.

Ream actually looked better than usual but I'd still rather see Dest at LB. I'd rather see more Cannon or Lima than Yedlin... I just don't see what he bring... he's not really a soccer player at all.

Long also was solid and yea Brooks seemed rusty but of course we need to see more.

Zardes... well... two goals... can't argue with that I guess. He had some pretty decent hold up touches. I really do not understand the instructions he's being given by Berhalter to have him drop soooo deep, he's at the top of our own box during opposition possession at times, it's totally crazy and makes it impossible to counter at all...

But really it wasn't that anyone looked better it was that the whole team had energy, grit and fight... I'm really happy to see that but it almost makes more even more concerned how a coach can prepare a team that played so flat last month...

Know Nothing
Post #438
Saturday November 16, 2019 5:08am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,772
Great to see us win handily. I will say the refereeing was a bit one sided in our favor, but it is a nice change of pace for us.

WHAT I LIKED:

1) We competed
2) We took our chances better
3) Zardes played pretty well and laid the ball off well.
4) We won without Pulisic...guys stepped up to be counted and took responsibility.
5) It was refreshing to see GB actually try new faces from the start.

WHAT I DID NOT LIKE:

1) Why is our striker defending at the D in open play? Where is the outlet for us to get out and start an attack? Still did not learn this lesson from Toronto.
2) Still disjointed...half the goals from bad marking on set pieces. Created little else moving forward in open play.
3) Ream at left back. Not that he had a bad game or anything, just thought having a little more pace out there would have been better and brought us more of an attacking balance.
4) Would have subbed Morales for Mckennie instead of Lletget (unless he was really gassed). WM played better than he did in Toronto, but it was still not up to his standard.

blaise213
Post #439
Saturday November 16, 2019 6:40am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,087
Original post from db707

Would need a brain for a stroke.


It's Canada

Put this line up against Poland or Austria and it would struggle

blaise213
Post #440
Saturday November 16, 2019 11:04am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,087
Original post from 2tone

To be honest I haven't seen much of anything from Mckennie in this game. A lot of mis passes and coughing the ball up.


McKennie is an average player surrounded by better players on his club team. Not a starter or even a roster spot for me

bjelks
Post #441
Saturday November 16, 2019 12:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,620
Original post from db707

Would need a brain for a stroke.


And you would need balls to be a man.
Unless you're one of those in betweeners.
Again, like I said this was a big win over a team that has only made 1 WC 33 yrs ago for the good old fanboys.

Feel free to have a parade
goalsense
bjelks
Post #442
Saturday November 16, 2019 1:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,620
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Anything to minimize a win, but if it was a team of all Euro players you would be bending over backwards to heap praise upon them. Yes it was Canada in a game we should win. We did win and I am not going to be ashamed to be happy with a win.


Lol, you don't get it.
My expectations are to compete for trophies.
I only care about what we do against Mexico and teams better than Mexico.
This core of players and this manager have been terrible against that level.

I told you I like Cannon and Pom. And I'm interested in seeing more Miles and perhaps Toye and Ferraira.

The fact remains that you guys get over excited when MLS players do anything at the intl level, even if it's against terrible teams that are not near WC level.
And just bcuz this majority mls core did this to again a terrible team, doesn't mean players at higher levels wouldn't do this or more or look better.

But the problem is you're looking for any reason to praise Gregg and his all mls good ole boy ways.
My only concern is continuing not to get better because the program is intentionally not expanding the pool to better or potentially players
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #443
Saturday November 16, 2019 1:44pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,264
@2tone- I'll agree on that Zardes take. For awhile I've been saying he's more reliable for the Hex than Jozy even if he's only 1/2 the player. Zardes is not the problem. Not the solution but not the problem either. Three cheers for Dest being cap tied. Good on the USA for a win even if the goals were free kicks or a counterattack (as I said before Morris is best attacking balls into the box or being a force on the counter with his speed and power), and we couldn't hold possession. The players aren't being used the best way, but despite that they finally showed heart and that's what was important. They played for Gregg and he got a response, at least in terms of battling and energy if not execution. The future and guys like Aaronson, Ledezma and Mendez will bring better passes through the midfield. But that's a while from now.

Lilshmike
Post #444
Saturday November 16, 2019 2:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,403
Original post from hamsamwich

No I have shit to do all day and don't work at my computer. I may make it back home before the end of the first half. Id love it to be 3-0.... in fairness we've started well. I'd love nothing more than to see everything work well tonight. I look forward to these games I'm not some jerk hoping for disaster. It's just not right now.

But why are you defending Berhalter? He's not a scapegoat (like Wondo or Chandler) he's the damn coach. The guy making all the plans. If it works it's his success. Right now it's the guys failure.

How much time is ok to wait to criticize in your opinion? It's obviously too soon for you I get that @lilshmike. But when is the right time?
I'm not defending him, and I didn't push any opinion whatsoever in that post.

To be clear, the only opinion in there was yours (that Berhalter instructed Seattle to move Morris to the wing) that you attempted to try and pass as a fact. And once questioned on providing proof on that statement, you couldn't. It was a false, made up claim.

I'm pointing out that nonsense. That you were taking your own feelings on the shortcomings of national team, making up a false situation, and using it to justify your assertion that GGG isn't using MLS players properly or to their strengths which is why they haven't been performing well. That's pretty much the definition of the word scapegoat.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #445
Saturday November 16, 2019 2:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from bjelks

Lol, you don't get it.
My expectations are to compete for trophies.
I only care about what we do against Mexico and teams better than Mexico.
This core of players and this manager have been terrible against that level.

I told you I like Cannon and Pom. And I'm interested in seeing more Miles and perhaps Toye and Ferraira.

The fact remains that you guys get over excited when MLS players do anything at the intl level, even if it's against terrible teams that are not near WC level.
And just bcuz this majority mls core did this to again a terrible team, doesn't mean players at higher levels wouldn't do this or more or look better.

But the problem is you're looking for any reason to praise Gregg and his all mls good ole boy ways.
My only concern is continuing not to get better because the program is intentionally not expanding the pool to better or potentially players


No I wasn't excited about MLS players doing anything, I was excited to see the national team play with passion and drive. As I said before I don't really care what league the players come from as long as they play like they are proud to wear the shirt and give their all. I don't ever again need to see MB90 jogging around the pitch like he could give a shit. It was never the MLS players that made us suck, it was thinking we were the kings of Concacaf and we could just show up and win.

hamsamwich
Post #446
Saturday November 16, 2019 2:48pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,264
Where they play has nothing to do with the team functioning. It has everything to do with the technical level required. Cannon for his part is angling for a move. Many of the MLS guys are locked into contracts and if the offer isn't right for their club, they stay (see Acosta or Long). But that doesn't mean they aren't good enough. That's a lazy look at it. Some are, some aren't. That's why the players need to be tried in the national team to see what they have amongst their peers. Some of the mls teams get it right and others are dumpster fires. Credit to teams like Philadelphia (thumbs up to Earnie) for having a proper system for the development of the players. But it's not a league wide success. Having the camp cupcake will give these guys a chance, but how to integrate our more talented players???
@lilshmike- your attitude is ridiculous. I'm not spending more than the 20 mins I already did on you. If you don't like it prove me wrong. So far you have nothing to say other than someone else's views. You bring zero to the discussion aside from being a stand in for Gregg and the viewpoints of the USSF. And for that I say thank you.

Lilshmike
Post #447
Saturday November 16, 2019 2:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,403
Hahaha it's hilarious that everyone on here crapped on Zardes, then he turns out a performance like last night. Everyone craps on Trapp, and he still isn't playing or dressing for games. People crap on Morris, and he was arguably our best player last night.

We had a very similar cast of characters last night to the team who lost to Canada in the previous game. Canada had the same team. For everyone complaining that it was because of Berhalters instructions, tactics, player selections, or that MLS players were on the field... I think it's safe to say that most of it last time around was the player mentality on the field.

Lilshmike
Post #448
Saturday November 16, 2019 2:56pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,403
Original post from hamsamwich

Where they play has nothing to do with the team functioning. It has everything to do with the technical level required. Cannon for his part is angling for a move. Many of the MLS guys are locked into contracts and if the offer isn't right for their club, they stay (see Acosta or Long). But that doesn't mean they aren't good enough. That's a lazy look at it. Some are, some aren't. That's why the players need to be tried in the national team to see what they have amongst their peers. Some of the mls teams get it right and others are dumpster fires. Credit to teams like Philadelphia (thumbs up to Earnie) for having a proper system for the development of the players. But it's not a league wide success. Having the camp cupcake will give these guys a chance, but how to integrate our more talented players???
@lilshmike- your attitude is ridiculous. I'm not spending more than the 20 mins I already did on you. If you don't like it prove me wrong. So far you have nothing to say other than someone else's views. You bring zero to the discussion aside from being a stand in for Gregg and the viewpoints of the USSF. And for that I say thank you.
Yes, in fact you were wrong. Berhalter did not tell the Seattle manager to play Morris at wing instead of ST, and it is that reason that he has shifted to wing for both club and country. That is what you claimed. That is completely and totally false.

Haha now you are reverting to the bjelks comebacks... that someone is a fanboy or puppet of USSF. I didn't defend, nor make any statements on Berhalter... I simply asked you to bring proof for your statement (which there was none) and called you out for making false claim... a claim that you literally used to defend your own personal opinion that Berhalter isn't using player (MLS players in particular) to their strengths. That's the definition of scapegoating.

bjelks
Post #449
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,620
Original post from Kamphgruppe

No I wasn't excited about MLS players doing anything, I was excited to see the national team play with passion and drive. As I said before I don't really care what league the players come from as long as they play like they are proud to wear the shirt and give their all. I don't ever again need to see MB90 jogging around the pitch like he could give a shit. It was never the MLS players that made us suck, it was thinking we were the kings of Concacaf and we could just show up and win.


Lol even when you claim to not be defending mls, you're defending mls. Saying it doesn't matter where you play and insinuating a team full of mostly mls players can compete with anyone if they play with passion and drive goes against any sensible world football wisdom and is completely unproven. This is defending and being bias to Mls. Not acknowledging that we have much better players in equal or better leagues that aren't getting chances is again defending and being bias to mls. Not acknowledging that there are mls players that indeed do suck at the intl level is again defending and being bias to mls. Trapp, lovitz, Roldan, baird indeed do suck. Long, arriola, Morris, Zman, Zardes suck by intl standards. MB90 isn't jogging, he's just slow lol. So many excuses for mls players.

And you guys wonder why we've been terrible for 3 yrs and get smacked by quality teams
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #450
Saturday November 16, 2019 3:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from Kamphgruppe

No I wasn't excited about MLS players doing anything, I was excited to see the national team play with passion and drive. As I said before I don't really care what league the players come from as long as they play like they are proud to wear the shirt and give their all. I don't ever again need to see MB90 jogging around the pitch like he could give a shit. It was never the MLS players that made us suck, it was thinking we were the kings of Concacaf and we could just show up and win.


This being said I still have seen enough as far as GB is concerned. I was disappointed to learn the Ernie Stewart said GB''s job is safe no matter what. I was pleased with the win but Canada is a team we should beat every time we play them. We still didn't look good despite the win. I felt that Canada dominated most of the game despite the scoreline. I wonder how the game would have played out without the early goal? Bjelks is right when he said that against better competition this team would have struggled. I thought McKennie was not good again and Brooks struggled early in the game. I see these guys play on a regular basis and they don't look the same when playing for the Nats. I don't believe the MLS guys make them play bad either. I think it's the coach and the system. We have never really looked cohesive under GB, he has had enough time, it's time to start thinking about a new coach.

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