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Post #31
Thursday October 17, 2019 6:11pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Original post from hamsamwich

France is the top team we can agree on that. Deschamps plays a simple defensive style with three athletic midfielders who win the ball, keep it simple and pass it forward to Griezmann or Mbappe to get the ball in space. Giroud is always available to receive a simple pass and keep it simple. What they don't do is play an elaborate buildup style that gets the ball to Griezmann or Mbappe as a result of a flowing team move where everyone has to be in a certain place at a certain time. They just get those guys the ball in space so they can make a play.


Preach.

We need another winger to emerge badly. And I don't mean whatever a Paul Arriola is and certainly not Jordan Morris.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
jtsccr12
Post #32
Thursday October 17, 2019 6:57pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 94
Culture is a funny thing. It is ingrained in us all, but in a place like the US, it doesn't rear its head in identical ways throughout pockets of hegemonic people. To pick a style of play that goes against the culture, is to force players or people to unlearned things they don't believe they learned in the first place... they think it has just always been there.

If you look at the US through war, economics, sport, social justice, and entertainment, you can see some threads of shared American culture. Perseverance. Win at all cost. Ignorant confidence. Strategic pragmatism when needed. Innovation when possible. If we chose a style that fits with these characteristics, I think our players will flourish. The people watching may wish it was something more beautiful, but in the end the US reveres winning more than beauty.

We are not a systematic culture. The systems that are used are almost always seen as oppressive. To think we, as soccer players, can get into a robotic playing style full of triggers and absolutes was naive, and the experiment must end. We are rebels who fight, and we enjoy being the underdog chopping down the giant, or being the giant that remains gigantic. Nothing in between.

I used to hate Bob Bradley's empty bucket formation, but now I understand it. It was a formation for chopping down giants. But now, I believe we have the ability to grow to the next level... a 4-3-3 with a destroyer in the middle, a focus on counter attacks, higher lines of engagement, and a more direct style of play (not to be confused with long ball). What Tab Ramos implemented with the USYNT is a great example of this style, and I think it should be immediately brought to the USMNT. Make it simple, and keep the in-game triggers to counters and defensive pressing. If we are lucky, players will think less and do more, and will use what they have learned in a system not built for international play as a giant group bonding experience.

bjelks
Post #33
Thursday October 17, 2019 7:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Original post from snipes87

Preach.

We need another winger to emerge badly. And I don't mean whatever a Paul Arriola is and certainly not Jordan Morris.


Well can we talk about Sonora, Gall, and Gooch?
goalsense
bjelks
Post #34
Thursday October 17, 2019 7:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Original post from jtsccr12

Culture is a funny thing. It is ingrained in us all, but in a place like the US, it doesn't rear its head in identical ways throughout pockets of hegemonic people. To pick a style of play that goes against the culture, is to force players or people to unlearned things they don't believe they learned in the first place... they think it has just always been there.

If you look at the US through war, economics, sport, social justice, and entertainment, you can see some threads of shared American culture. Perseverance. Win at all cost. Ignorant confidence. Strategic pragmatism when needed. Innovation when possible. If we chose a style that fits with these characteristics, I think our players will flourish. The people watching may wish it was something more beautiful, but in the end the US reveres winning more than beauty.

We are not a systematic culture. The systems that are used are almost always seen as oppressive. To think we, as soccer players, can get into a robotic playing style full of triggers and absolutes was naive, and the experiment must end. We are rebels who fight, and we enjoy being the underdog chopping down the giant, or being the giant that remains gigantic. Nothing in between.

I used to hate Bob Bradley's empty bucket formation, but now I understand it. It was a formation for chopping down giants. But now, I believe we have the ability to grow to the next level... a 4-3-3 with a destroyer in the middle, a focus on counter attacks, higher lines of engagement, and a more direct style of play (not to be confused with long ball). What Tab Ramos implemented with the USYNT is a great example of this style, and I think it should be immediately brought to the USMNT. Make it simple, and keep the in-game triggers to counters and defensive pressing. If we are lucky, players will think less and do more, and will use what they have learned in a system not built for international play as a giant group bonding experience.


Before all this, should we consider rotating say most of the roster?
goalsense
jtsccr12
Post #35
Thursday October 17, 2019 7:16pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 94
It won't matter unless we better align the system. It will just be new players under-performing. I agree we need new players to infuse some energy, fight, and talent into the roster, but if we bring them in under the current system we may ruin those players.

blaise213
Post #36
Thursday October 17, 2019 7:57pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,987
Original post from jtsccr12

It won't matter unless we better align the system. It will just be new players under-performing. I agree we need new players to infuse some energy, fight, and talent into the roster, but if we bring them in under the current system we may ruin those players.


You need attacking technical players

1 vs 1 skills
Chest the ball down

Reyna, Sonora, Holmes, Soto, Ledzema, Mendez, Jo„o Lucas, Matko Miljevic

There's also a few kids in Liga MX

hamsamwich
Post #37
Thursday October 17, 2019 8:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
No you can't get away with that. You've belittled myself and many others as simple folk who type on a keyboard and watch the games... and while true it's also putting down many of us who want to see a better USA.

I'm asking if we can all see it, why can't the guy who you trust and believe in see and change anything? What is the answer?

Samtom23
Post #38
Thursday October 17, 2019 8:51pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I would say Alfredo Morales. There was an article saying he wins the most 50/50 challenges of ANY Bundesliga player. I know he was hurt but should be healthy by next month. Also, give Hines-Ike a look but I think he will turn down a call up at this point.

But if Gregg runs his system, whole same changes might back fire as his system is complex,

But Ream, Roldan, Trapp, Zardes I hope they are gone, What happens if GB loses next month? And how does he even call in at this point?

Lilshmike
Post #39
Thursday October 17, 2019 8:57pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from hamsamwich

No you can't get away with that. You've belittled myself and many others as simple folk who type on a keyboard and watch the games... and while true it's also putting down many of us who want to see a better USA.

I'm asking if we can all see it, why can't the guy who you trust and believe in see and change anything? What is the answer?
Who are you responding to?

blaise213
Post #40
Thursday October 17, 2019 9:38pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,987
I have no idea who Hines - Ike is ?

Know Nothing
Post #41
Thursday October 17, 2019 9:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Original post from Lilshmike

Who are you responding to?


It's kind of obvious to us simple folk to whom ham is referring.

db707
Post #42
Thursday October 17, 2019 9:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from blaise213

I have no idea who Hines - Ike is ?


He isn't a Brazilian/barely American teenager with 15 minutes of pro experience, so I am not surprised. Defender for Kortrijk in the Belgian league, played in the Swedish league before that. From Denver, so I am unabashedly biased in pulling for him.

blaise213
Post #43
Thursday October 17, 2019 10:23pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,987
Original post from db707

He isn't a Brazilian/barely American teenager with 15 minutes of pro experience, so I am not surprised. Defender for Kortrijk in the Belgian league, played in the Swedish league before that. From Denver, so I am unabashedly biased in pulling for him.


How many world cups does Brazil have ? Still holding hopes for Robert Kenedy Nunes..

We have too many defenders in the pool, we need wingers !!

Lilshmike
Post #44
Thursday October 17, 2019 11:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from Know Nothing

It's kind of obvious to us simple folk to whom ham is referring.
Yes, I'm fully aware.

But just to establish, hamsamwich has ripped off posts calling me out in a thread where I had not even posted yet. It wasn't in response to anything I said or posted here, so... what exactly is the point? Its pretty much the epitome of an unprovoked attack.

And @hamsamich... get away with what exactly? Making a factual statement and calling out that your problem isn't with the message its with the messenger? Thats pretty obvious when you have multiple posts calling me out on who knows what and making false assumptions on stances of mine... particularly when I had not even posted or said anything in this thread.

The only person I (and I'm not alone) single out is bjelks. Haha theres no need for explanation on that one. Anyone else, I respond directly to their post and don't go out of my way to bring someone into it when they haven't said anything.

I have fairly thick skin, so I'm not offended by it, but I'm going to call out nonsense when it occurs... which, this falls into that category. Come on man.

Lilshmike
Post #45
Thursday October 17, 2019 11:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from blaise213

How many world cups does Brazil have ? Still holding hopes for Robert Kenedy Nunes..

We have too many defenders in the pool, we need wingers !!
Hasn't it been concluded that hes straight up not eligible?

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