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Post #376
Wednesday November 13, 2019 11:23pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

For a guy who wore the shirt, Berhalter seems to lack an understanding of the attitude necessary to wear the shirt. Very odd. You'd think he'd grasp that part of it well.


You would think. Does make you wonder how much is him and how much is dictated to him from above.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #377
Thursday November 14, 2019 12:03am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,517
Well, that is a very bold assumption.

I don't think you get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff...especially at CB

On a related theme.

We all have to remember we live in this fantasy bubble land on the internet, where we offer opinions from 5 thousand miles away from what actually goes on behind the scenes. Every now and then we get a few crumbs of actual inside info, but in large part we are a massive choir of voices and opinions emanating from sofa cushions.

And worse yet, when those bubble opinions are considered defended as fact by some...comical.

Why isn't this guy brought in...he's a hundred times better than this other guy...It would all make sense if you could actually stand on the practice field and listen to the coaches breakdown everything...which guy can't stay focused, which guy parties too much, which guy is a total crap sandwich, which guy duked out one of your starting midfielders in practice...there are a million reasons why we don't see some guys.

But somebody watched a YouTube clip of someone doing a couple stepovers and all of a sudden this guy, without a doubt, stated as fact, will take us to the promised land...and GB must be a complete clown because he didn't bring this guy in....

Bubble talk...

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #378
Thursday November 14, 2019 3:22am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Well, that is a very bold assumption.

I don't think you get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff...especially at CB

On a related theme.

We all have to remember we live in this fantasy bubble land on the internet, where we offer opinions from 5 thousand miles away from what actually goes on behind the scenes. Every now and then we get a few crumbs of actual inside info, but in large part we are a massive choir of voices and opinions emanating from sofa cushions.

And worse yet, when those bubble opinions are considered defended as fact by some...comical.

Why isn't this guy brought in...he's a hundred times better than this other guy...It would all make sense if you could actually stand on the practice field and listen to the coaches breakdown everything...which guy can't stay focused, which guy parties too much, which guy is a total crap sandwich, which guy duked out one of your starting midfielders in practice...there are a million reasons why we don't see some guys.

But somebody watched a YouTube clip of someone doing a couple stepovers and all of a sudden this guy, without a doubt, stated as fact, will take us to the promised land...and GB must be a complete clown because he didn't bring this guy in....

Bubble talk...


I think they meant since GB played for the Nats you would think he understands the mentality it takes to play at this level.

I agree with what you said but sadly do not believe it is being applied " you don't get to stick with the Nats if you don't have the right stuff" I would say in the last 12 -24 months you most certainly get to stay on the Nats if you haven't shown enough there has not been a wide array of players who are called in.

You have a point re people saying what they want to see. And yes some of the guys people including myself want to see maybe total busts. But my point is we have seen what certain guys can and can not do, there is not alot we will learn from a majority of the players. And when we are playing a team of Cuba's stature we should try new players it doesn't help anyone to beat them 7 nil with our current players--

But guys who I want called in are not youtube players they are people whom have shown real potential or should have been called in before: julian Green hardly a youtuber, Fabian, Chandler, Homes, M Robinson, Pom, I would gladly take a look at Jesus F, Eboissi, Parks, Hyndman,

If we believe the ridiculous interview with Ernie we are looking to the future and we are happy bc we played 25 mins of good futbol (that is scary) but if we are looking to the future why are we not trying 2 or 3 guys from the u17, u20 squad diff mls guys and euro guys?

I have said before it would be great if camp cup cake could be game of euro vs mls guys-then we could evaluate what players should be brought along.

but your right, we have no idea regarding personalities, training habitts, egos, effort, etc but what I do know the current group, the regulars should not be regulars based on performance. and if there are others that are not there that should be based on performance than US and GB to gain back trust with the fans should be transparent about it.

a good example: Fabian J, says he wants to play, GB said FJ didn't want to play? who is telling the truth. Nagbe-why did he decline call up? based on performance I think Pomk earned some PT-but he spoke out and made a slight jab at GB and he really hasn't got a shot, Cameron spoke out about US Soccer and hasn't been called since, yes he is old, yes he was not playing but he is still better than zimmerman and ream (I'm a fan of his on the club level) has not been the best for the Nats (unless he was at CB) your point is fair but none of know why certain decisions are made. GB has told the world how we will play, he certainly not to concerned with talking so it would help the fan base get behind him and US soccer if they explained what the hell they were thinking.

To be clear I have said we will win this game 2 nil and yes I think that will set the program back.....we need to try new players-we have a good group of technical guys, a handful that are close to world class, we need to surround them with better players and we will have a decent team
Stoked
Know Nothing
Post #379
Thursday November 14, 2019 4:50am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Well, that is a very bold assumption.

I don't think you get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff...especially at CB

On a related theme.

We all have to remember we live in this fantasy bubble land on the internet, where we offer opinions from 5 thousand miles away from what actually goes on behind the scenes. Every now and then we get a few crumbs of actual inside info, but in large part we are a massive choir of voices and opinions emanating from sofa cushions.

And worse yet, when those bubble opinions are considered defended as fact by some...comical.

Why isn't this guy brought in...he's a hundred times better than this other guy...It would all make sense if you could actually stand on the practice field and listen to the coaches breakdown everything...which guy can't stay focused, which guy parties too much, which guy is a total crap sandwich, which guy duked out one of your starting midfielders in practice...there are a million reasons why we don't see some guys.

But somebody watched a YouTube clip of someone doing a couple stepovers and all of a sudden this guy, without a doubt, stated as fact, will take us to the promised land...and GB must be a complete clown because he didn't bring this guy in....

Bubble talk...


You don't get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff???? Really???? And yet we have empirical data of guys that have done little to nothing in over 180 minutes of play that are still getting call ups. Christian Roldan please step forward.

Call in Holmes...when he has been on the pitch for us he has looked lively. Again, empirical data that is being ignored.

hamsamwich
Post #380
Thursday November 14, 2019 5:10am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
@chris- I think a team reflects the values of its coach. Under Bradley we were hungry to prove ourselves and good at the little things, also we planned well. Under Juergen we were ambitious in plans and lacked focus at times but dreamed big. The one thread since Bora and Arena the first time has been a tough to play against mentality. That's an underlying principle, which is overlain by the style of the coach like I said with Bob and JK. But what is Berhalter bringing to the table after what has been a while now? This game against Canada is a must for millions of reasons but if he can't communicate the desire he needs to see then perhaps he doesn't motivate well.

bjelks
Post #381
Thursday November 14, 2019 2:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
It's bubble talk to think you can motivate someone to be a better athlete or footballer than they actually are .

It's also bubble talk to think that just because you haven't seen someone with the nats they're worse than what we have.

And more bubble talk to trust the decision making of a federation and staff that has no successes and has been corrupt since day 1.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #382
Thursday November 14, 2019 3:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
@bjelks- coaches motivate players individually within the larger team concept that they promote. That's what coaching is. To get the team all pulling on the same rope.

Lilshmike
Post #383
Thursday November 14, 2019 4:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,301
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Well, that is a very bold assumption.

I don't think you get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff...especially at CB

On a related theme.

We all have to remember we live in this fantasy bubble land on the internet, where we offer opinions from 5 thousand miles away from what actually goes on behind the scenes. Every now and then we get a few crumbs of actual inside info, but in large part we are a massive choir of voices and opinions emanating from sofa cushions.

And worse yet, when those bubble opinions are considered defended as fact by some...comical.

Why isn't this guy brought in...he's a hundred times better than this other guy...It would all make sense if you could actually stand on the practice field and listen to the coaches breakdown everything...which guy can't stay focused, which guy parties too much, which guy is a total crap sandwich, which guy duked out one of your starting midfielders in practice...there are a million reasons why we don't see some guys.

But somebody watched a YouTube clip of someone doing a couple stepovers and all of a sudden this guy, without a doubt, stated as fact, will take us to the promised land...and GB must be a complete clown because he didn't bring this guy in....

Bubble talk...
Spot on

bjelks
Post #384
Thursday November 14, 2019 4:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Original post from hamsamwich

@bjelks- coaches motivate players individually within the larger team concept that they promote. That's what coaching is. To get the team all pulling on the same rope.


But there is only so much that motivation can help with.

For example, you can't motivate Morris to be a more technical creative dribbler and you can't motivate Arriola to be a more accurate crosser.

You can't motivate Lovitz to be more comfortable on the ball. You can't motivate Ream to be faster or Long to be a better tackler in space.

Without basic competency to do the job given, motivation is useless
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #385
Thursday November 14, 2019 5:17pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
Original post from bjelks

But there is only so much that motivation can help with.

For example, you can't motivate Morris to be a more technical creative dribbler and you can't motivate Arriola to be a more accurate crosser.

You can't motivate Lovitz to be more comfortable on the ball. You can't motivate Ream to be faster or Long to be a better tackler in space.

Without basic competency to do the job given, motivation is useless


I would disagree...you certainly can motivate them to do these things by telling them the same thing: "If you do not improve your (fill in the blank) you will not be part of this team"

Tell them what is expected of them and what needs improvement. JK did that when he advised the majority of his players to seek a higher level league to test themselves.

bjelks
Post #386
Thursday November 14, 2019 6:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Original post from Know Nothing

I would disagree...you certainly can motivate them to do these things by telling them the same thing: "If you do not improve your (fill in the blank) you will not be part of this team"

Tell them what is expected of them and what needs improvement. JK did that when he advised the majority of his players to seek a higher level league to test themselves.


Wouldn't it be easier to just pick guys that can do these things first?
This isn't a youth club, you can literally call or drop anyone at any time.

And JK had a practice of keeping players after they dropped in level or stayed in the same level.
goalsense
whyneverme
Post #387
Thursday November 14, 2019 7:09pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 47
Original post from Know Nothing

You don't get to stick with the nats if you don't have the right stuff???? Really???? And yet we have empirical data of guys that have done little to nothing in over 180 minutes of play that are still getting call ups. Christian Roldan please step forward.

Call in Holmes...when he has been on the pitch for us he has looked lively. Again, empirical data that is being ignored.


Maybe Homes did get a call and maybe he turned it down? Doesn't he have the ability to play for other nations as well? Maybe he doesn't want to cap tie himself and maybe he wants this hesitation kept private? There are factors outside of the game at hand that may influence these decisions and while we all want full transparency there may be reasons that others don't want the whole world to know.

whyneverme
Post #388
Thursday November 14, 2019 7:11pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 47
Original post from bjelks

But there is only so much that motivation can help with.

For example, you can't motivate Morris to be a more technical creative dribbler and you can't motivate Arriola to be a more accurate crosser.

You can't motivate Lovitz to be more comfortable on the ball. You can't motivate Ream to be faster or Long to be a better tackler in space.

Without basic competency to do the job given, motivation is useless


Well stated....

hamsamwich
Post #389
Thursday November 14, 2019 7:16pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Morris until this year was a striker and good on the counterattack. Berhalter made him into a "winger" and asked schmetzer if he could play wing for Seattle. He did. But it's not his best position. We could go on and on but that's not the point. Coaching isn't just picking players it's building a team. And we haven't seen much evidence of that besides picking the same guys every time for the most part. And that's not team building that's selecting players.

Know Nothing
Post #390
Thursday November 14, 2019 7:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
Original post from whyneverme

Maybe Homes did get a call and maybe he turned it down? Doesn't he have the ability to play for other nations as well? Maybe he doesn't want to cap tie himself and maybe he wants this hesitation kept private? There are factors outside of the game at hand that may influence these decisions and while we all want full transparency there may be reasons that others don't want the whole world to know.


Fair enough, but for Holmes it is either us or England. Don't see him getting an England callup until he plays in the EPL.

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