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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #346
Monday November 11, 2019 11:31pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from Lilshmike

1) Yes. I'm not going to list off my resume, but I've both played and coached. I'll leave it at that.

2) My post you responded to was in reference to calling for Sabbi. So yes, he was relevant whether you mentioned him or not because he was one of the catalysts for my initial engagement over the last few posts. No issues with reading comprehension, bud.

3) I'm not calling for status quo. I'm not saying that we shouldnt have new faces. I'm stating that there has to be some basis for calling guys in. Most of the guys people have called for, yourself included, have no compelling argument (if any argument) worth getting up in arms about. But, if you want to make a statement about soccer genius... I'm right more times than not when it comes to who is getting called in. That has nothing to do with status quo... that's because I'm legitimately paying attention to what the manager says and what our players are doing. I'm not throwing out random wild card names... the standard is simple. Play consistently at a level as good or better than MLS and produce for your position. That's it. That's not controversial.

4) You're arguing for players you haven't been watching. If you haven't seen them, then you really don't know. What someone did 3 years ago isn't the same as what they may or may not be doing now. Plain and simple. No sense in getting uptight over it or arguing over it, because its totally ignorant.

5) That's fine if you named non Euro guys. I singled out the ones you named who legitimately do not have an argument right now for inclusion in the national team. I also made a blanket statement on how a number of people on this site call for random guys simply because they play in Europe and have some blind belief that they are better than other options in MLS simply because they're in Europe. That's not me defending MLS, that's making note of that nonsense train of thought... that Europe = Better. When it comes to our player pool, that isn't exactly the case for every player in every position. Reading comprehension is fine again, bud.

6) Your reading comprehension is in question now... first off, is Omar Gonzalez in the most recent camp? Was he in the last one? No. Not only that, but I've consistently stated that I do not like those guys in particular, think we have better options, and would like to see them gone. Except for Bradley. I'm fine with Bradley in the 23 man roster and not as a starter. The problem though it that you're too stuck on making your point to realize that I've said that too many times. You want to know my stance, look back at previous posts in this thread.

7) Fair point on Wondo. He is at a point where he is aged out for next WC. Same reason we shouldn't call on Cameron anymore. But again, you're missing it. I'm not calling and supporting Zardes. My point is that whether we like it or not, he has pushed himself into contention for the national team. I want another guy in there as much as everyone else. But, considering his production in MLS and the rest of the forwards in our pool, its embarrassing that Zardes is at the top. And if someone is going to claim Sabbi should get a call, when we have multiple forwards in similar situations/levels putting up better numbers, then he doesn't have a strong case to be included over someone else who has been more productive. That's rational, logical, and the exact reason that some of these guys get called in. I know people who were involved in the pre WC 2014 camp with Klinsmann as both players and coaches. The "rationale" for Landon Donovan getting cut was that he had the worst stats of winning scrimmages and mini games of any of the forward players at camp. Guess who had one of the highest ratings tho... Wondo. Doesn't mean I always support it, but if someone is going to make a case for player X over player Y, there has to be some basis other than "we've seen him and we need someone else". That's not compelling enough.

8) My logic is sound. Plenty of guys can do it at the club level. Not all can do it at the international level. But guess what all the guys who are doing it at the international level have in common... they're all doing it for their clubs too. Just because you're successful at club, does not mean you will be successful at international. However, if they can't even do it for club... then theres no reason to believe that they are going to magically do it for the international level. I dont know how it can get any more simple than that.

9) Lima got his initial shot after playing consistently for club. Not the other way around. Lewis is a better example of the point you're trying to make. And to be clear, I'm not in favor of it. I think there are other people they could have taken a look at and rewarded for their performances for club instead of sticking with a guy who hasn't been a consistent starter in MLS.

10) My point on Zimmerman was that there isn't really a reason to complain about the guy. It's not like any other guys have created a compelling argument to be included in the national team, and it's not like hes done a bad job when hes played. Theres not real reason to get up in arms about his inclusion over a someone else. It's not like you're swapping him out for someone who is head and shoulders better. You would simply be changing good enough player 1 for good enough player 2. It's nothing to complain about.


1. you get mad when people put words in your mouth-and start saying seriously seriously I didn't say that-well I didn't mention sabbi never have in any of my posts. so that is a reading comprehension problem bud. If you are making a point based on sabbi reply to whom wrote it,

2. I have a very compelling argument to call guys in. The players in front of them have shown they can't cut it at this level. What you have not done is replied to my questions regarding the players I asked you about. What the hell are you looking at that tells you that the mls guys chosen are even the best mls guys to get called up. Ill give you another one. Miles R is better in my opinion than Zimmerman, frankly he is better option than ream. so tell me your stats to compare them. Tell me what your justification of Baird over Pomk is? You are not the authority on soccer-quiet the contrary no-one on here needs to prove to you anything. you have an opinion that does not mean we all have to follow your lead or else our option have no validity. You think very highly of yourself.

Honestly I litterly fell off my chair laughing at you thinking bc you predicted a roster that you are mostly right. I still chuckle at that. NO that does not make you a genius it makes you like the clowns at US soccer-here is the difference and here is maybe what separates everyone on this site and you-we are talking about who should be called in, you are trying to predict the predicable. to funny

3. not sure my posistion is ignorant at all-in fact the reason I question your playing exp outside of high school is that you defend the status quo-you argue stats for strikers based on goals-what you have not done is shown stats for other players-lovitz, baird, etc your argument is other guys have not pushed them out. I have watched the guys you say deserve to be there-their touch suck, their iq sucks-what they do have 1. Exp bc they are always called in 2. some of those guys try really hard outside of that we have diff mls guys who we need to look at.

also what you fail to see no one is saying the players we are calling for will be good or will suck as well-but you don't know if you don't try. and if your guys were performing well and we had qualified and got out of our group guys like me would have a harder argument. but we didn't. and we are player like crap still a couple yrs later so ya bud these same players should be pushed out.

so lets use your argument- with wondo who cares if he is old-bradley will be old for his position in WC, Ream as well. If people need to push people out then Wondo should have been called over Bardes- so honest question what did wondo show you on the INT level and what did his stats in MLS show-? Bardes has not pushed wondo out based on goals? But guess what Wondo sucked at INT level plain to see. guys getting pushed out is also based on GB calling new guys in.

Your argument is pretty week. When DS was coach he called in guys and played well against big name teams--we certainly didn't struggle like we have been

8) Your logic is not as sound as you think-Julian green wasn't playing and I believe he scored a hell of a goal-if memory serves me correctly I think Brooks wasn't an every week starter either. I can give you its not ideal to not be playing but shutting the door on guys who are at big clubs an making the 18 is not a deal breaker for me. Lets use american football again.

Tom brady didn't push out Beldso (until Bledso got hurt) Patrick M didn't beat out alex smith, Aaron rodgers didn't beat out Brett Farve, Jimmy G didn't beat out Brady-however all of them are super stars but under your guidelines none of them would have been called in bc they couldn't push the guys out in front of them.

9. Lewis is a perfect example: he has shown way more on the INT level than Baird, but baird has better mls stats re playing time-you see how that works doesn't make sense except for people whom watch instead of read stats

10. re point re zimmerman is a big deal if we are trading one guy who is" good enough to someone who is slightly better than good enough" thats such a ridiculous statement that we shouldn't try someone else who could be equally good but who has a higher potential. Do you think Zimmerman will get better or has he hit his ceiling, vs lets say M Robinson/Richards,EPB who has a higher ceiling? If they are the same shoot even if those guys are slightly behind I would take them all day long bc in 1 or 2 yrs they will be light yrs ahead and zimmerman will be the same.
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #347
Monday November 11, 2019 11:36pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from cudevil

2 goals with virtually no creativity in the midfield and missing our best, most in-form player? That seems ambitious.


to be clear it is a joke we are even talking about beating canada it has always been a given that we would beat them it just shows how far we have come. Canada has 1 player the rest are avg who have been coached frankly to play like we used to play bunker down don't make mistakes pray you get a counter.

If he add in SL (whom can trap and pass etc), with a fortified back line-we will win.

I don't like our roster, or our coach, but I think he fears for his job-he will change tactics and we will get a result. I see an issue with that bc they everyone will say you see we are not that bad when in fact we are. we need to start over with a new coach and try those 5 to 6 dif players we are calling for. a win i think actually hurts our program
Stoked
skangles
DC
Post #348
Tuesday November 12, 2019 12:04am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,443
---Sargent---
-Arriola---Morris-
--Mckennie----
----Morales--
---Yueill----
-Dest-Brooks-Long-Cannon-
----Guzan----

I think thats the best we can do with this roster. I can be sold on Ream over Long and Yedlin over Cannon but the rest of this lineup SHOULD be straight forward. With Berhalter, we will see...Roldan and Zardes will probably start.

navi8132
New York
Post #349
Tuesday November 12, 2019 12:36am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
I strongly advise everyone to boycott the next two matches.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #350
Tuesday November 12, 2019 12:48am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Not going to boycott. It's clear no matter what Berhalter isn't getting fired. So tired of Berhalter already. But I'm definitely not going to bust my butt getting home after work to watch these two games.

Holmes should have got the call over Roldan for Christ sake. Shit I would take Marky Del Gado over Roldan. Delgado ran circles around Roldan yesterday.

bjelks
Post #351
Tuesday November 12, 2019 12:53am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Original post from Kamphgruppe

We will win if our guys play with 100% effort. No more jogging around the pitch, no more acting like we are going win because we showed up. Full commitment, full passion, full effort. If I don't see this as a coach, that player does not get invited back next camp and I tell him why.


What if the guys give full effort and lose like they have the last few losses?
Do you then say maybe these guys aren't good enough?
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #352
Tuesday November 12, 2019 1:01am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Original post from bjelks

But if These guys were better players, their inability to be competent intl players wouldn't be such a glaring problem?
Now that CP is out, I'm confident Canada will get a result and hopefully Gregg will be out
weve seen competent but not international quality players pre-Gregg be able to stay on the same page and function within a system. Meanwhile Gregg has them thinking and playing robotically. So, yes, of course, in theory better technical players would be better. But not playing to our players strengths makes them look worse, not better, no matter which league they play in. Canada getting a result and Berhalter leaving are not the same thing. The players need to be better but we have to earn the right to play in these games. The other team isn't just going to give us the ball or roll over.

blaise213
Post #353
Tuesday November 12, 2019 1:20am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,993
Original post from navi8132

I strongly advise everyone to boycott the next two matches.


+1000

Post this on the USMNT twitter

bjelks
Post #354
Tuesday November 12, 2019 1:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
For me competent and international quality or synonymous.
If you can't be in an intl game and not look out of place, you have the quality to be there.
I don't think our mismanagement of the player pool has ever been this bad before so that's probably the lowest hanging fruit.
There is only so much top players can do to compensate for their teammates weaknesses.
If we consider the last starting lineup, I can't tell you one thing Bradley, Roldan, Lovitz, Ream, Morris, Long can do at the intl level regarding strengths.
All these guys are either very limited athletes, soccer players or tacticians or all 3.
Now that we have some top level players, I'm pretty sure they're tired of carrying the scrubs and frustrated with selections just as much as tactics.
Just this week 2 of our best players, faked injuries to not play for the natl team.
I think the best thing we can hope for is a loss, a mutiny, and for Mckennie to choke out Gregg.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #355
Tuesday November 12, 2019 1:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Are synonymous
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #356
Tuesday November 12, 2019 2:16am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
With this personnel. Berhalter needs to shift to a 4-4-2 with Morris and Sargent up top.

--Sargent--Morris-
Lletget-----Arriola
--McKennie-Morales
Dest--Brooks-Long--Yedlin
----Guzan---

Know Nothing
Post #357
Tuesday November 12, 2019 3:03am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
Original post from 2tone

With this personnel. Berhalter needs to shift to a 4-4-2 with Morris and Sargent up top.

-Sargent-Morris-
Lletget---Arriola
-McKennie-Morales
Dest-Brooks-Long-Yedlin
--Guzan--


Perhaps, but without CP I would prefer to give Dest a little more freedom on the wing. I would play a 3-5-2 with Yedlin and Dest as wingbacks.

Guzan
Long, Brooks, Ream
Yedlin, Lletget, Trapp, McKennie, Dest
Morris, Sargent

db707
Post #358
Tuesday November 12, 2019 3:23am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from 2tone

Not going to boycott. It's clear no matter what Berhalter isn't getting fired. So tired of Berhalter already. But I'm definitely not going to bust my butt getting home after work to watch these two games.

Holmes should have got the call over Roldan for Christ sake. Shit I would take Marky Del Gado over Roldan. Delgado ran circles around Roldan yesterday.


I'll be in Rome for the first one so definitely missing that. Second one, level of interest will depend on the first one. Berhalter has his guys he calls no matter what, which is a terrible way to run a national team in my opinion, but boycotting or calling for other guys to replace them when they're not doing anything to deserve a call-up doesn't help raise the standards. I am with you on Holmes, who is at least starting regularly for Derby.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #359
Tuesday November 12, 2019 3:30am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Original post from Know Nothing

Perhaps, but without CP I would prefer to give Dest a little more freedom on the wing. I would play a 3-5-2 with Yedlin and Dest as wingbacks.

Guzan
Long, Brooks, Ream
Yedlin, Lletget, Trapp, McKennie, Dest
Morris, Sargent


I could go for that as well. But I would replace Trapp with Morales.

Know Nothing
Post #360
Tuesday November 12, 2019 5:39am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,699
Original post from 2tone

I could go for that as well. But I would replace Trapp with Morales.


Well so would I! A faux pas on my account...forgot he got called and assumed he did not.

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