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bjelks
Post #301
Saturday November 9, 2019 10:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Again according to https://www.kickalgor.com/football-leagues/th... Denmark is on par with MLS.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #302
Saturday November 9, 2019 10:43pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Let's try a little experiment.

Let's try just one game with non mls players and see how they do?
Why are you so afraid of this lol?

We see how great Pulisic, Yedlin, Sargent, Mckennie, Brooks, Miazga, Steffen, look playing against and with top level players so we know they're capable.

But we've never seen Roldan, Trapp, Lovitz, Morris, Arriola, Long, Zman, Lima, Zardes play at a top level.
And to be frank Bradley hasn't played at a top level in 5 yrs.

Only someone who doesn't understand the game would make the argument that quality of your teammate doesn't affect your play. Literally all the evidence says otherwise.

Regarding Hitler, I would say it's more Hitleresque to intentionally limit duals, minorities, and young ppl to advance the agenda of old wealthy, powerful, white men or SUM.


Not afraid of an all Euro team and never said anything to indicate that I was.

Never once said that the quality of your teammates doesn't affect your play. Funny that the Canadian players were able to play above their MLS guys but our players were not.

So your right about Hitler limiting minorities, good thing the USMNT is very diverse. Also I would not care one bit if every player on the team was from the same race if they were the best 11 players.

So funny you posted a whole paragraph on stuff I never said or even inferred!

I am also not advocating for any of the MLS players you listed above. I am simply stating (AGAIN) that in both the T&T and Canada fiasco's the teams we played against were both mostly MLS squads. If MLS players are so bad how did they beat us twice with more MLS guys than us?

Lilshmike
Post #303
Saturday November 9, 2019 10:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Not afraid of an all Euro team and never said anything to indicate that I was.

Never once said that the quality of your teammates doesn't affect your play. Funny that the Canadian players were able to play above their MLS guys but our players were not.

So your right about Hitler limiting minorities, good thing the USMNT is very diverse. Also I would not care one bit if every player on the team was from the same race if they were the best 11 players.

So funny you posted a whole paragraph on stuff I never said or even inferred!

I am also not advocating for any of the MLS players you listed above. I am simply stating (AGAIN) that in both the T&T and Canada fiasco's the teams we played against were both mostly MLS squads. If MLS players are so bad how did they beat us twice with more MLS guys than us?
Stop making so much sense

bjelks
Post #304
Saturday November 9, 2019 11:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Not afraid of an all Euro team and never said anything to indicate that I was.

Never once said that the quality of your teammates doesn't affect your play. Funny that the Canadian players were able to play above their MLS guys but our players were not.

So your right about Hitler limiting minorities, good thing the USMNT is very diverse. Also I would not care one bit if every player on the team was from the same race if they were the best 11 players.

So funny you posted a whole paragraph on stuff I never said or even inferred!

I am also not advocating for any of the MLS players you listed above. I am simply stating (AGAIN) that in both the T&T and Canada fiasco's the teams we played against were both mostly MLS squads. If MLS players are so bad how did they beat us twice with more MLS guys than us?


The fact that you can't acknowledge that the limited ability of the mls guys is drastically impacting the play of the euro guys who all play at significantly higher levels does indicate that you have a bias to mls and can't hold them accountable. Also makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe our manager shouldn't be putting our top players in his silly play with inferior players and "carry us" experiment bc we have to meet a good ole boy quota.
Maybe they don't respect the decision making of the manager/ federation.
Maybe they don't respect the ability of their teammates who they don't think have merited a call up in the first place.
Maybe they're fed up with the bullshit, the fanboys, the good ole boys, and their sorry ass teammates and try to take games into their own hands. Canada plays better together because they've bought in to the direction of the mgr, our top players don't trust the mgr/ fed for obvious reasons.

The funny thing about diversity in the USMNT is that it only works for minorities that play in mls, which is my whole point. Minority players in Europe or South America are routinely looked over by the fed unless they're starters in top leagues.
However avg players that are a part of the good ole boy money machine get preferential treatment.
This is a form of prejudice that you choose to ignore.

We lost to teams with more mls players than us because our homegrown mls players are the softest and most privileged in the league. Guys like Roldan, Morris, Trapp, Long, Lovitz have had everything given to them and have no fight, unlike the mls players from 3rd world countries who've had to fight for everything and don't know comfort or handouts

Any more questions?
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #305
Sunday November 10, 2019 12:02am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
*I'll just take that goal post and move it righhhhhht over here*

blaise213
Post #306
Sunday November 10, 2019 12:23am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Julian Green with a free kick goal above the box !!

I think he's playing # 6 or 8 role

Why in the f**k are we calling in Trapp and Yueill ??

I don't even think Trapp had a goal this year

Lilshmike
Post #307
Sunday November 10, 2019 12:53am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from bjelks

The fact that you can't acknowledge that the limited ability of the mls guys is drastically impacting the play of the euro guys who all play at significantly higher levels does indicate that you have a bias to mls and can't hold them accountable. Also makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe our manager shouldn't be putting our top players in his silly play with inferior players and "carry us" experiment bc we have to meet a good ole boy quota.
Maybe they don't respect the decision making of the manager/ federation.
Maybe they don't respect the ability of their teammates who they don't think have merited a call up in the first place.
Maybe they're fed up with the bullshit, the fanboys, the good ole boys, and their sorry ass teammates and try to take games into their own hands. Canada plays better together because they've bought in to the direction of the mgr, our top players don't trust the mgr/ fed for obvious reasons.

The funny thing about diversity in the USMNT is that it only works for minorities that play in mls, which is my whole point. Minority players in Europe or South America are routinely looked over by the fed unless they're starters in top leagues.
However avg players that are a part of the good ole boy money machine get preferential treatment.
This is a form of prejudice that you choose to ignore.

We lost to teams with more mls players than us because our homegrown mls players are the softest and most privileged in the league. Guys like Roldan, Morris, Trapp, Long, Lovitz have had everything given to them and have no fight, unlike the mls players from 3rd world countries who've had to fight for everything and don't know comfort or handouts

Any more questions?
Minority players like Brooks, McKennie, Morales, Steffen, Dest, Yedlin, Weah (when healthy), Adams (when healthy)...

Hahaha you're ridiculous. The whole point of calling in guys is that they need to be starters on teams at a level as good or better than MLS level... not bench warmers on below average teams, or random guys on youth teams.

Seriously, you're banging a drum that just isn't backed by anything. There is no prejudice. It's getting old and is becoming a joke. Theres a reason you're openly mocked on this site. Its posts like this.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #308
Sunday November 10, 2019 2:12am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

The fact that you can't acknowledge that the limited ability of the mls guys is drastically impacting the play of the euro guys who all play at significantly higher levels does indicate that you have a bias to mls and can't hold them accountable. Also makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe our manager shouldn't be putting our top players in his silly play with inferior players and "carry us" experiment bc we have to meet a good ole boy quota.
Maybe they don't respect the decision making of the manager/ federation.
Maybe they don't respect the ability of their teammates who they don't think have merited a call up in the first place.
Maybe they're fed up with the bullshit, the fanboys, the good ole boys, and their sorry ass teammates and try to take games into their own hands. Canada plays better together because they've bought in to the direction of the mgr, our top players don't trust the mgr/ fed for obvious reasons.

The funny thing about diversity in the USMNT is that it only works for minorities that play in mls, which is my whole point. Minority players in Europe or South America are routinely looked over by the fed unless they're starters in top leagues.
However avg players that are a part of the good ole boy money machine get preferential treatment.
This is a form of prejudice that you choose to ignore.

We lost to teams with more mls players than us because our homegrown mls players are the softest and most privileged in the league. Guys like Roldan, Morris, Trapp, Long, Lovitz have had everything given to them and have no fight, unlike the mls players from 3rd world countries who've had to fight for everything and don't know comfort or handouts

Any more questions?


HaHaHaHa You called ME a hypocrite! You are too funny. I have acknowledged in almost every post that the MLS guys are not at the level of our Euro starters. You are the one who will not acknowledge that our Euro guys also played like shit, you are the true hypocrite. I am simply calling you out not in any way advocating for the MLS guys. You have a huge anti MLS bias, I do not have an MLS bias, I simply acknowledge it as a league where a large amount of our players play and is going to be a source for at least some players for the nats, a fact that you can't seem to handle.

bjelks
Post #309
Sunday November 10, 2019 2:38am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Lilshmike

Minority players like Brooks, McKennie, Morales, Steffen, Dest, Yedlin, Weah (when healthy), Adams (when healthy)...

Hahaha you're ridiculous. The whole point of calling in guys is that they need to be starters on teams at a level as good or better than MLS level... not bench warmers on below average teams, or random guys on youth teams.

Seriously, you're banging a drum that just isn't backed by anything. There is no prejudice. It's getting old and is becoming a joke. Theres a reason you're openly mocked on this site. Its posts like this.


Like I said, the USMNT gives mls players and particularly avg white mls players every benefit of the doubt when minorities need to be starting at the top leagues to for a sustained amount of time for a call. Yea they call minority mls players bc they're pushing the good ole boy agenda, but they leave out ones in better leagues abroad. Completely logical.
You just proved my pt pointing that out. Thanks.

Trapp has never merited a call.
Lovitz has never merited a call.
Baird has never merited a call.
Zman and Long, not sure what they've done to merit a call. Guess what they all have in common.

Gregg ignores or looks over Alvarado, Green, Holmes, Sonora, EPB, Miazga, Ledezma in the 1st team at PSV, A Rob, Sabbi in a lge as good as mls...you're full of shit and defend this regime for this nonsense.

There's a reason ppl call you a tool, sell out, and good ole fan boy. You bend over and spread em for Sum, gregg and the fed in every post.
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bjelks
Post #310
Sunday November 10, 2019 2:50am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Kamphgruppe

HaHaHaHa You called ME a hypocrite! You are too funny. I have acknowledged in almost every post that the MLS guys are not at the level of our Euro starters. You are the one who will not acknowledge that our Euro guys also played like shit, you are the true hypocrite. I am simply calling you out not in any way advocating for the MLS guys. You have a huge anti MLS bias, I do not have an MLS bias, I simply acknowledge it as a league where a large amount of our players play and is going to be a source for at least some players for the nats, a fact that you can't seem to handle.


How can you acknowledge that the quality of your teammates impacts your play and still say that euros played like shit when they had no support? This is why you're a hypocrite. You can't play it both ways.
When you say that no matter how bad the mls players are, the euro guys should carry them you are clearly advocating for the mls guys.
You are forcing mls to be a source of players w/out considering their ability, their form, or their actual natl team performances.
Again this is why your clearly bias to mls.
You want to give them every benefit b4 an abroad player you don't watch every wk. Let's cut the bs and keep it real: you want mls guys on the time no matter how bad they are or who their counterparts are
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blaise213
Post #311
Sunday November 10, 2019 3:30am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Lol Chelsea twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1...

Know Nothing
Post #312
Sunday November 10, 2019 7:49am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,830
So many differing threads and agendas to this thread...it really hurts my head.

1) MLS league strength...is it stronger than the championship in England or the Danish league...who really and truly knows? You can throw out metrics and lists and want not, but they do not capture everything and it just comes gown to guessing and opinion.

2)You don't need to be playing in a top league to get called...I remember Italia 90 the English World Cup squad had a player playing in the championship (or it's equivalent). In fact, Steve Bull played 4 matches for England in Italy. As I recall England lost in the semis of that tournament.

3)Just because you are doing it for club does not necessarily translate into doing it for country. I can give two examples...Jason Kreis and Sasha Kljestan. Kreis was a goalscoring machine in MLS, but could not translate that into international success and was bypassed in favor of players like Joe Max Moore or Josh Wolfe. We have already argued ad nauseum over Kljestan on this forum.

4)Team chemistry matters. If you have to take an extra second to determine where your teammates are that slows things down. If there is a guy playing in Rwanda that can understand how we play and fit in well with the team I say call him. If a guy is scoring goals in Denmark and is in a rich vein of form, I say call him. I am sure it gets frustrating for some of the guys on the pitch to keep seeing guys out there that just simply don't fit or slow things down.

My thing is simple...instead of building a system that hopefully the players you call in will get, why not identify your core group of essential players and build a system around them. Through trial and error, identify those players that gel with this core group...no matter what league they play in.

blaise213
Post #313
Sunday November 10, 2019 9:57am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
The problem is the American players in MLS regressed !

I mean Zusi, hedges, Zimmerman, Guzan were the 2019 MLS all stars for American players... garbage

hamsamwich
Post #314
Sunday November 10, 2019 1:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
@kamphgruppe- I wouldn't be so hung up on club play. It's obvious that what these guys do at their clubs does not correlate to the "system" run here by Berhalter. What we do at national team level is different and is a major reason why the players already in the group keep getting called in- because they are supposedly better at learning and executing the system (see Baird, etc). If we need international windows over a full year to learn this system, then keeping guys around becomes just as important as adding new players. Yes, they need to be playing at their clubs so they have match fitness.... but other than that their club play doesn't really matter. At the end of the day our coaching is poor and is why we lost to Canada et al.

bjelks
Post #315
Sunday November 10, 2019 2:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Another banger from Sabbi in the similar to mls level Danish league.
https://twitter.com/classicasn/status/1193509...
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