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cudevil
Post #16
Wednesday October 16, 2019 11:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I think GB will have to modify his approach in the short term...take a less ambitious approach and incrementally work on certain areas of the game, but from a defensive position of strength...he won't be able to sustain the loses while putting his ideal tactical choreography into place.

He will need to scale down his approach to enable the team to be competitive while they work towards better ball...the process has to be slower to keep the players engaged and playing with confidence...committed to the task...you can't beat down the player's psyche with a parade of ugly loses...he'll flat out lose the team.

I think this game will have serious internal repercussions and lead to lot of soul searching and hard assessments of player selection...and going forward a scaled down tactical approach that will enable us to be far more competitive...it's the only way out.


I just haven't seen any indication whatsoever that GB will go this route. We've had a BUNCH of shite performances under GB-yet he still calls in largely the same group of players and employs the same tactics. There have been red sirens flashing all around the Nats performance for almost the entirety of GB's tenure-yet no effort to make changes.

Samtom23
Post #17
Thursday October 17, 2019 12:16am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I don't think GB is capable of making changes. He quickly blamed the lack of fight and not the approach. Mexico gave Canada the blue print on how to beat us, which is pressing. Did he adapt?

I would not be surprised if GB has already lost this team. I am hoping this result has not led us to losing Dest. I am hoping Morales comes back because he has fight, Duane Holmes and Emeryson Hyndman.

I sincerely hope we have seen the last of Ream, Roldan and Trapp and maybe give Yedlin more time to recover

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #18
Thursday October 17, 2019 12:32am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,516
Critical mass now...the sirens aren't going off in the early going...any coach would get a certain amount of time to implement his way of playing. National team coaches get their players together infrequently...so everybody is saying "he's had a year to get this together"...but how many actual camps...and how many camps with top players healthy and available. I'm just playing devil's advocate. He has a complex system and a limited amount of time and access to his top 11.

I think now is the time to reassess if his vision can be implemented under these conditions.

I think it is a bridge to far and he needs to scale it back and break it down and work on smaller components.

BShred has a nice piece on the current state...his game breakdown at ASN.
An Old US soccer vet told him, "why don't we just play the old school way with the overall more talented players that we have coming in.

I think this is exactly where we are heading under GB. Cover the basic fundamentals of US ball, tough Defense, heart, work rate and tenacity and slooooowly incorporate some of GB's transition choreography on the breakouts.

I truly believe there are some heavy pointed discussions happening behind closed doors right now regarding his current approach and what needs to happen to improve the situation.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #19
Thursday October 17, 2019 12:53am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Original post from cudevil

I still wonder if Alphonso Davies was American whether Berhalter would call him in...


He would probably play him at Center Midfield. Like Tyler Adams at Right Back.

In all seriousness, what are the chances Greg puts Tyler Adams back at Right Back if he's healthy enough to play?......
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #20
Thursday October 17, 2019 1:04am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,516
Right now...zero

hamsamwich
Post #21
Thursday October 17, 2019 1:41am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
@navi- the nations league is a real thing and will only grow in importance. Losing and being in the middle tier stinks and we won't even be on the level with Mexico and Costa Rica. I agree they are glorified friendlies to an extent, but if that's true where was the experimentation? A draw at home against Canada and they win the group. They'll play more to frustrate us on hit on the counter than they just did. All that said it's a winnable game for sure. A must win and a huge disappointment if we don't.

As for the trust between the players and Berhalter there is none. I don't think they believe in him or his aloof coaching technique. I keep banging a dead horse here but he literally chose Trapp over Adams for the 6 because of their playing style... it's hard to agree with Gregg.

@lilshmike- if a guy on a keyboard could type in his game preview that Canada would copy Mexico's midfield press and stop the buildup play and that dogmatically Berhalter wouldn't adjust... don't you think Herdman knew that??? He said as much in his game preview too.

There's a lack of respect (Adam Sandler skit comes to mind) among the ussf at all levels and their actions speak louder than even their poor word choices.

At this rate we will not qualify for the World Cup. Also I think we just let Canada into the Hex with that win I believe their fifa points will bring them up to 6th in concacaf. Yes Navi the nations league matters.

Know Nothing
Post #22
Thursday October 17, 2019 5:42am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Original post from hamsamwich

@navi- the nations league is a real thing and will only grow in importance. Losing and being in the middle tier stinks and we won't even be on the level with Mexico and Costa Rica. I agree they are glorified friendlies to an extent, but if that's true where was the experimentation? A draw at home against Canada and they win the group. They'll play more to frustrate us on hit on the counter than they just did. All that said it's a winnable game for sure. A must win and a huge disappointment if we don't.

As for the trust between the players and Berhalter there is none. I don't think they believe in him or his aloof coaching technique. I keep banging a dead horse here but he literally chose Trapp over Adams for the 6 because of their playing style... it's hard to agree with Gregg.

@lilshmike- if a guy on a keyboard could type in his game preview that Canada would copy Mexico's midfield press and stop the buildup play and that dogmatically Berhalter wouldn't adjust... don't you think Herdman knew that??? He said as much in his game preview too.

There's a lack of respect (Adam Sandler skit comes to mind) among the ussf at all levels and their actions speak louder than even their poor word choices.

At this rate we will not qualify for the World Cup. Also I think we just let Canada into the Hex with that win I believe their fifa points will bring them up to 6th in concacaf. Yes Navi the nations league matters.


Well on the plus side, playing a hex match in Canada is more appealing than playing a hex match in El Slavador.

Think of the draw...if Canada gets a home match in the late fall or early spring against Mexico, Costa Rica, or Jamaica it will make it tough going for those teams to play in the bitter cold.

blaise213
Post #23
Thursday October 17, 2019 6:44am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,986
Original post from bjelks

Maybe us as fans should be louder in letting our voices be heard and not just going along with the status quo.
Let's challenge the media, let's not pay for games, let's show disapproval for the regime everyway we can


If that was the case, Eric Wynalda would've been elected USSF President...

I know him personally, I said this before he was texting me during the election on how rigged and corrupt it all was.

You need to get Stephen A Smith with a sit down with GB on ESPN along with a panel of fans for a discussion..

Samtom23
Post #24
Thursday October 17, 2019 9:41am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I listened to the GB's post game. A reporter asked him, who this performance indicates the state of the program? He said, we knew this was going to be tough. I don't think this indicates the state of the program.

He is the only one that thinks this. The rest of the world, fans, players, pundits think this is a pretty good indication of the state of the program. And firing Gregg is more difficult because who is bro is...

cudevil
Post #25
Thursday October 17, 2019 12:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 984
Berhalter's comments have been disturbing to say the least. I understand he can't hit the panic button publicly, but right now he sounds like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.

db707
Post #26
Thursday October 17, 2019 1:33pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from cudevil

Berhalter's comments have been disturbing to say the least. I understand he can't hit the panic button publicly, but right now he sounds like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.


All is well! LOL.

hamsamwich
Post #27
Thursday October 17, 2019 1:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
There is no trust in this coaching staff. By now some semblance of play should be on display, however we aren't seeing that. How can the players trust the coach when they aren't put into a position to succeed???? The whole gameplan is to make the coach look smart, his stupid clothes notwithstanding....

A better coach develops his national team plan around his players.

@lilshmike- you may be right. We all sit behind the keyboard but I've seen plenty of great coaches I grew up in Chicago in the era of mike ditka, Phil Jackson, later Ozzie guillen who brought a title to the notoriously bad white Sox with a B-/C+ team... great coaches get the team to play better than their parts. We play worse. Berhalter is not a great coach. He's a decent club coach who doesn't stack up in the MLS to even Dave Sarachan. Jill Ellis outcoached Herdman with better talent but Berhalter can't.... I know an out of work coach who who do better than Gregg...

I admired his Crew teams and admire what he would like to do with the USA. The problem is he doesn't communicate his message well and the players aren't buying in. Get Pulisic the damn ball where he can be dangerous rather than as a cog in a whole machine.

The hiring process ruined any chance of a honeymoon period and I am completely over this guy and waiting for someone new to come in. Qualification for the World Cup May happen but I have zero confidence in this coach. He's deluded and thinks he's super smart. It's a sad state of affairs when a guy from the third bundesliga shits on us after second division Dutch based curaçao players shit on us. And Ledezma isn't good enough? Or Richards? Can we look ahead since in the here and now we still stink?

I would like to recognize the Donovan-esque performances of Morris who it seems will stay in MLS forever, playing good soccer but it's more a case of what could have been. Yes it's nice he has recovered from his knees but had he gone to Bremen he would be better for it. Quality player between him and Arriola I think they are our best MLS players.

hamsamwich
Post #28
Thursday October 17, 2019 2:01pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Many of us looked at the 2022 World Cup as a chance to be the new Belgium, Algeria or even Colombia aka the young talented freewheeling team at the World Cup. We have enough young talent to do so. Yes we will take our lumps but this over reliance on Bradley is enough. I think Gregg will play him for World Cup qualifying, accommodating him by playing Adams as an 8. It's disgusting.

hamsamwich
Post #29
Thursday October 17, 2019 3:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
France is the top team we can agree on that. Deschamps plays a simple defensive style with three athletic midfielders who win the ball, keep it simple and pass it forward to Griezmann or Mbappe to get the ball in space. Giroud is always available to receive a simple pass and keep it simple. What they don't do is play an elaborate buildup style that gets the ball to Griezmann or Mbappe as a result of a flowing team move where everyone has to be in a certain place at a certain time. They just get those guys the ball in space so they can make a play. Sargent is not Giroud, but he sort of plays like that. Pulisic isn't Griezmann, Weah (or Morris) isn't Mbappe but they sort of play like that. So why don't we have a simple system in place for something like that? We aren't playing to Pulisic strengths at all, no wonder he is frustrated.

So defenders of Gregg with your "the sky isn't falling" defense... face the music, it's just not coming off. If you have anything to actually convince anyone of anything now would be the time. This is a god damn disaster. Tab Ramos set the table for success and the national team manages to screw it up. We play a high press high energy style at every level of the game here in the USA yet the half Dutch overlord and genius brothers think we need a whole revamp. Perhaps, but then why not continue in the style of the whole revamped new system we've created? Instead we do the opposite. What a waste of the actually good coaching the kids are now receiving. This is a shame.

Lilshmike
Post #30
Thursday October 17, 2019 5:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
@Hamsamwich

I legitimately had not even posted in this thread and you're singling me out, on multiple posts, for... what exactly? It's not like you were replying to a post of mine... you're clearly trying to make some sort of point. This is a pretty clear indication that your issue is with the messenger, not the message (as I have stated multiple times throughout various threads).

Get off your high horse.

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