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Post #241
Wednesday November 6, 2019 5:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Samtom23

I can honestly say, I haven't seen EPB or Alvarado given a chance. I'd like to see them.

You have Richards and Ledezma about to break into first team. I should say Richards just began training with the first team. I think you take the chance call in Ledezma and Richards.

Then, after the match you reach out to Elfrain Alvarez. Seeing if, he'll switch back.

I would prefer not to give Ream a chance at all just because age. He is too old to be a significant contributor. Put Dest at RB and Cannon at LB, Miagza and CCV. Miagza and CCV have paired up before. I still want to see Brandon Hines-Ike and Richards, maybe against Cuba. I am looking forward to seeing if GB makes any changes.

Oh yeah, call in Fabian too.
Are you suggesting we toss aside a guy who has been an established starter and player, Yedlin, at RB in the Premier League (the best league in the world) for years?

Not singling you out, but with the hype surrounding Dest and his commitment to the USMNT, too many people are quick to forget Yedlin... a guy with years of experience in the biggest and best league in the world, an established USMNT RB starter for years, and who has World Cup experience, in favor of Dest and other backup MLS options...

There is a reason that when Dest played with the USMNT he was used at LB with Yedlin at RB. He isn't going to become our RB starter unless Yedlin finds a terrible run of form, gets injured, isn't able to play for the USMNT, or Dest somehow becomes one of the top RBs in the world in the next couple of years. Especially considering we, as a program, have been perpetually thin at LB for years.

Expect Dest to play LB for the foreseeable future. And if he isn't there, then chances of either him or Yedlin playing in a midfield/wing position would be high.

Know Nothing
Post #242
Wednesday November 6, 2019 5:36pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Original post from bjelks

I think there is this misconception within US soccer fans, media, and mgt that the only level above MLS is world class when in fact there are many other levels between mls and world class.

I struggle with the ideology that just because someone hasn't looked terrible like a Trapp or Roldan that they've earned a right to be included and start.
I would argue about him not looking out of place and generally doing well. When I say he's looked bad 1v1 against avg players, I think we can definitely upgrade there at CB.

I personally think Miazga is better at every aspect of the game right now.
I'm interested in what Alvarado and EPB can do as well.
And I think Richards is on the verge of World Class.
I would say all those guys are more skilled and better athletes than Long.

CB hasn't been a big sore spot for the natl team but they also haven't been a strong suit.

I would say the only guys that are legitimately automatic are Pulisic, Adams, Mckennie, Brooks, Dest, Sarg, Yedlin, and Steffen. Everyone else can be replaced.


I won't refute anything you said, it all makes sense.

Yes, we have better skilled defenders, better athletic defenders than Long. But somewhere in the equation heart and desire have to also be accounted for. Players like Long and Arriola are not our most talented, but they will run through a brick wall for the team. One need only look at Arsenal as an example of this...a supremely talented team that has difficulty playing against physical opponents. Character matters.

Besides, playing gives him more opportunities to put himself in the shop window for a transfer overseas, which may help change your mind about him!

bjelks
Post #243
Wednesday November 6, 2019 9:27pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
That's fair
goalsense
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #244
Thursday November 7, 2019 1:17am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,516
Long is really solid and more athletic than he gets credit for...he has a good stride...deceptively fast over distance. He got to a couple balls ahead of Davies, which was impressive. Nice to see Miazga improving. Right now they are very close...Miazga is a little better at winning the ball and Long better at organizing the back... but definitely no slouch when it comes to winning battles.

We have much bigger issues than Long at CB.

Anybody know when they will announce the final camp roster?

Samtom23
Post #245
Thursday November 7, 2019 2:35am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I thought it was supposed to be today that they announced the roster but it seems maybe I was mistaken.

Responding about Yedlin, it was initially an oversight by myself. However, I think about it and feel the Canada and Cuba games are not that important in the grand scheme.

GB wants attacking football. Robinson and Dest can both go forward, while Yedlin is limited but better defensively. He is not great with the ball and cannot cross the ball to save his life. I do like him, I am just aware of his limitations.

If you go with Cannon and Dest, you give Steffen two more options to get it out of the back. Also, that would help counter any pressing of the midfielders. And they could stay a little more forward. Think of Roldan having to go back and making the bad pass that almost led to a goal.

At this point in time, Yedlin has a place. However, he can miss these two games. Also, why include Trapp? Columbus hasn't played in about a month. Why not take a look at a player that is currently in season? Or season recently ended.

I'll be on the look out for the roster. Should be released soon.

navi8132
New York
Post #246
Thursday November 7, 2019 5:37pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,120
Roster is out, no Holmes, yes Roldan Trapp etc. I dont think i can get myself to watch this game or this team anymore.

cudevil
Post #247
Thursday November 7, 2019 5:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 984
Original post from navi8132

Roster is out, no Holmes, yes Roldan Trapp etc. I dont think i can get myself to watch this game or this team anymore.


Virtually zero creativity in the midfield group. Why Trapp and Roldan continue to get called in is beyond me.

Boyd shouldn't be on the roster either. After starting off hot, he's been lousy for club and country.

Lilshmike
Post #248
Thursday November 7, 2019 5:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
@navi8132
@cudevil

This is not the final roster. The final roster announcement is due Monday after the MLS cup final.

That being said, you would have to assume there aren't going to be many changes. I'm betting that Morris and Roldan and/or Bradley get added in favor of 2 of the 10 defenders on current list and maybe a forward. Jozy is still injured, and there aren't any other names that I would think make sense given what we have seen with GGG.

Know Nothing
Post #249
Thursday November 7, 2019 6:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Original post from navi8132

Roster is out, no Holmes, yes Roldan Trapp etc. I dont think i can get myself to watch this game or this team anymore.


Well it is not a total disaster...Alfredo Morales and Tyler Boyd got calls...although they may just get meaningless minutes against Cuba. It is still a little disappointing.

I don't think GGG knows where to play Holmes so he makes it easier on himself by not calling him. Earth to GGG...you don't have to have a plan for him...he is a dynamic player you can bring off the bench and play almost anywhere and he will probably produce. If you continue to want structure and rigid positions you will become boring, predicatable and easy to plan for.

As for making room on the roster for him...simple...Corey Baird or Daniel Lovitz.

Well if he isn't planning on playing Miazga it makes sense not to call him, but I can't help but think that there is something more going on...a personality clash between GGG and MM.

I guess GGG could not finder a sitter so he had to bring his trusty sidekick Trapp with him. I hope he remembered the flea collar.

Lilshmike
Post #250
Thursday November 7, 2019 6:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Its worth noting that there is a U23 camp thats going on at the same time, so there is possibly a number of younger guys called into that age group instead of the senior team as Olympic qualifying is on the horizon. This makes sense, as most of those guys aren't ready/good enough yet for the senior team and we need to qualify for the Olympics.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... we need to make Olympic qualification a major priority. Its the only real tournament that we could take part in prior to the 2022 WC and the first major tournament since the Copa America. Its critical to get our young players (Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, Weah, Sargent, Dest, Robinson, Yueill, Richards, Ledezma, Soto, etc.) exposure to this type of tournament at the national level as we prep and build for the future.

cudevil
Post #251
Thursday November 7, 2019 6:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 984
Original post from Lilshmike

@navi8132
@cudevil

This is not the final roster. The final roster announcement is due Monday after the MLS cup final.

That being said, you would have to assume there aren't going to be many changes. I'm betting that Morris and Roldan and/or Bradley get added in favor of 2 of the 10 defenders on current list and maybe a forward. Jozy is still injured, and there aren't any other names that I would think make sense given what we have seen with GGG.


I know they can add a few guys, and figured that it would be the 3 you mentioned. I don't have as big of problem with Morris (I'd much rather see him than Zardes or Baird). There is no reason for Bradley or Roldan to be on the squad. If we are going 4-3-3, I'd rather see Lletget, Mckennie, and Morales, but it's basically a given that Bradley, if healthy, will start.

Of this group, I'd prefer:

Guzan
Yedlin, Brooks, Long, Dest
Mckennie, Morales, Lletget
Pulisic, Sarg, Morris

The lack of risk taking at this point (or prioritizing U23 development) is nauseating.

Lilshmike
Post #252
Thursday November 7, 2019 6:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from cudevil

I know they can add a few guys, and figured that it would be the 3 you mentioned. I don't have as big of problem with Morris (I'd much rather see him than Zardes or Baird). There is no reason for Bradley or Roldan to be on the squad. If we are going 4-3-3, I'd rather see Lletget, Mckennie, and Morales, but it's basically a given that Bradley, if healthy, will start.

Of this group, I'd prefer:

Guzan
Yedlin, Brooks, Long, Dest
Mckennie, Morales, Lletget
Pulisic, Sarg, Morris

The lack of risk taking at this point (or prioritizing U23 development) is nauseating.
Yep, don't disagree.

I don't see a need for all 4 of Bradley, Trapp, Yueill, and Morales on the roster. One or two of those guys needs to get the boot, and it shouldn't be Morales. I wouldn't be surprised if either Bradley doesn't get the call, or Trapp gets sent home.

I'm fine with Roldan as long as he isn't starting. Gyasi isn't getting sent home, but Baird could/should be.

As frustrating as it seems... again... there aren't many better options who are healthy, in form, and willing to accept a call. Fabian Johnson has only 3 appearances this season, Nagbe (who I think would walk into our starting lineup) keeps refusing call-ups, and Adams, Weah and Jozy are all injured. We aren't left with much.

cudevil
Post #253
Thursday November 7, 2019 6:51pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 984
Original post from Lilshmike

Its worth noting that there is a U23 camp thats going on at the same time, so there is possibly a number of younger guys called into that age group instead of the senior team as Olympic qualifying is on the horizon. This makes sense, as most of those guys aren't ready/good enough yet for the senior team and we need to qualify for the Olympics.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... we need to make Olympic qualification a major priority. Its the only real tournament that we could take part in prior to the 2022 WC and the first major tournament since the Copa America. Its critical to get our young players (Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, Weah, Sargent, Dest, Robinson, Yueill, Richards, Ledezma, Soto, etc.) exposure to this type of tournament at the national level as we prep and build for the future.


If there was any indication whatsoever that some of the U23 guys are part of Berhalter's plan, I might agree with the notion that qualifying for the Olympics is a worthwhile endeavor.

Lilshmike
Post #254
Thursday November 7, 2019 7:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from cudevil

If there was any indication whatsoever that some of the U23 guys are part of Berhalter's plan, I might agree with the notion that qualifying for the Olympics is a worthwhile endeavor.
Are you saying that Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, Weah, Sargent, Dest, Robinson, Yueill, Richards, Ledezma, Soto, etc. aren't part of Berhalters plan and that those guys having the opportunity to play in the Olympics isn't a worthwhile endeavor?

db707
Post #255
Thursday November 7, 2019 7:48pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from Lilshmike

Yep, don't disagree.

I don't see a need for all 4 of Bradley, Trapp, Yueill, and Morales on the roster. One or two of those guys needs to get the boot, and it shouldn't be Morales. I wouldn't be surprised if either Bradley doesn't get the call, or Trapp gets sent home.

I'm fine with Roldan as long as he isn't starting. Gyasi isn't getting sent home, but Baird could/should be.

As frustrating as it seems... again... there aren't many better options who are healthy, in form, and willing to accept a call. Fabian Johnson has only 3 appearances this season, Nagbe (who I think would walk into our starting lineup) keeps refusing call-ups, and Adams, Weah and Jozy are all injured. We aren't left with much.


Stop it with your logic. Wanting guys to actually be playing first team and in form to get call-ups, come on now. Don't you know it's a travesty that we're not calling Swedish league bench players?

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