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hamsamwich
Post #196
Thursday October 31, 2019 12:08am

Joined Oct 2013
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When we play defense we line up in our shape, a 4-4-2 with Sargent and Roldan at forward. He then has to drop into the attacking midfield spot and wait for the ball to be linked to him, at which point he has to make a dangerous pass or cycle the ball back. That's not his game and not at all what he does at his club. It's a big difference. He shouldn't be there but then again you guys say Ledezma isn't an option in that same exact role.

Samtom23
Post #197
Thursday October 31, 2019 12:51am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
It is GGG's responsibility when he keeps on selecting the same players and expects a different result.

Lilshmike
Post #198
Thursday October 31, 2019 2:21am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from Samtom23

It is GGG's responsibility when he keeps on selecting the same players and expects a different result.
Berhalter selecting and playing a guy who isn't good enough is a different argument than saying its Berhalter's fault that a player isn't good enough.

Roldan not being good enough has nothing to do with GGG.

@hamsamwich

I understand the point you're attempting to make but this is a poor example. You're trying to compare Roldan to what Klinsmann was doing with Bradley early on in his tenure as manager. He was playing Bradley as a 10. Bradley was not a 10. As a result, it made Bradley look bad because he was playing a position that didn't suit his style and strengths.

Roldan has not been playing as a 10 though. Hes been playing as an 8, which is pretty much what he plays at club. Granted, Roldan has been slotted into the dual 8 role in a 4-3-3 that has more attacking responsibilities, but that's not exactly out of the ordinary for him. Regardless, through multiple managers and many appearances, he has still been sub par. It's not GGG's fault that Roldan isn't good enough, yet you're scapegoating the manager for a player that you yourself have openly admitted is no more than a bench player at best.

blaise213
Post #199
Thursday October 31, 2019 3:00am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,178
Original post from Samtom23

It is GGG's responsibility when he keeps on selecting the same players and expects a different result.


Whose GGG ?

Triple G ? Golovkin

hamsamwich
Post #200
Thursday October 31, 2019 3:24am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,441
No I'm giving an example of an MLS player used poorly. It was in reply to @2tone. I'm not scapegoating anyone. He has been playing as a 10 and a forward defensively. Roaming the field, reading the play, and linking forward to more creative players is what he does.m for Seattle. That is not his role with the USA. You and I have been watching different games or seeing them different and that's ok @lilshmike. But I'm sticking to what I said. Much less his usage of the actually talented players...
there is a large disconnect between the players and the system.

Samtom23
Post #201
Thursday October 31, 2019 3:45am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 454
Gregg Berhalter triple GGG

hamsamwich
Post #202
Thursday October 31, 2019 12:59pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,441
@lilshmike- you love my hypotheticals... would the team be playing the same with the same results with a different coach?

Lilshmike
Post #203
Thursday October 31, 2019 4:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,509
Original post from hamsamwich

@lilshmike- you love my hypotheticals... would the team be playing the same with the same results with a different coach?
Seeing as a lot of the guys in the squad have been called up under multiple managers, and the unfortunate laundry list of injured players in our pool over the last 12-18 months, I feel confident stating that at least 75% of the players who have been getting called up would remain the same.

Outside of Lovitz and Trapp, I feel even more confident stating that the majority of the starting lineups would likely have the same players, independent of any formation changes.

That being said, who knows what the results would be... but I don't think that a different manager would be producing noticeably better/worse results.

blaise213
Post #204
Thursday October 31, 2019 5:59pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,178
Damn Cardoso is a defensive midfielder. I thought he was a forward

camparkinson
Post #205
Thursday October 31, 2019 6:20pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 341
Amazing to see Toronto win the game despite Bradley trying to get a red card and trying to give the ball away at the top of his own box...

how can anyone coach really think he's still the best option?!

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #206
Thursday October 31, 2019 10:02pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,546
GB...calls a pre-camp for MLS players ahead of the regular camp...clearly giving them more time to focus on tactics and an unfair advantage over the Euros...heads explode...haha.

Trapp, Gyasi and Baird...all your favorite players Blaise...haha

db707
Post #207
Thursday October 31, 2019 10:46pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Somebody has to do a montage of Zardes and Berhalter to Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You if it hasn't been done already.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #208
Friday November 1, 2019 1:55am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
Original post from blaise213

Damn Cardoso is a defensive midfielder. I thought he was a forward


That's a good thing. The US is lacking DM's. Besides Adams I don't see many options.

bjelks
Post #209
Friday November 1, 2019 2:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,749
Mckennie, Morales, Pom can play defensive mid, so can EPB
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #210
Friday November 1, 2019 12:56pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
GOALKEEPERS (3): Brad Guzan (Atlanta United FC; 62/0), Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 8/0), Matt Turner (New England Revolution; 0/0)

DEFENDERS (7): Reggie Cannon (FC Dallas; 9/0), Chase Gaspar (Minnesota United FC; 0/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 9/0), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 14/2), Daniel Lovitz (Montreal Impact/CAN; 12/0), Mark McKenzie (Philadelphia Union; 0/0), Walker Zimmerman (LAFC; 11/2)

MIDFIELDERS (5): Brenden Aaronson (Philadelphia Union; 0/0), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy; 12/2), Djordje Mihailovic (Chicago Fire; 5/1), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 20/0), Jackson Yueill (San Jose Earthquakes; 4/0)

FORWARDS (5): Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 30/5), Corey Baird (Real Salt Lake; 4/0), Jeremy Ebobisse (Portland Timbers; 1/0), Jonathan Lewis (Colorado Rapids; 5/0), Gyasi Zardes (Columbus Crew SC; 54/10)


Wow, I am very excited with the names from the pre-camp (yawn) Thank goodness Seattle is in the final.

I get the purpose of the camp...to get guys on board with the tactics and keep them fresh. But he has a chance to see if he has missed anyone and to put guys on notice that no place is safe. Instead, it appears that places are now considered safe for a number of players. My fear is that this will lead to complacency amongst the MLS group of players.

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