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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #181
Monday October 28, 2019 9:29pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Original post from Lilshmike

Berhalter isn't responsible for the growth and development of players. That's on themselves and their club teams... nothing to do with Gregg. Playing out of position for 2 games every 2 months isn't going to stunt a player's growth.

Not singling you out here, but there is too much blame being put on the guy for things that aren't even in his control. Not trying to defend him, but let's get real and quit scapegoating all problems on the coach.

And for the record, I do not think Roldan should be in the national team picture moving forward unless we are really short on players and hes brought in as a reserve/bench/practice player. He plays well in MLS, but his form hasn't translated to the national team.


while I agree to an extent the GB is responsible for getting the most of out his players and using them and putting them in the right position to succeed. But they are also responsible for seeing them play at clubs and building upon that-camp cupcake has done that for players. Also they should be responsible for recruiting.

I give him some credit for landing SD, but credit should go to hackworth and Ramos for getting him in early and creating a good environment-

BUT not to single you out-but did you see Wayne Rooneys quote yesterday re american coaching in MLS/Nats?

He says what I have been saying and what Zach stiffen said basically. He said he found mls coaches did a good job HOWEVER the Nats coach over coaches and doesn't put his players in the best position to succeed-- that has to be noted-

hopefully SD is a good fit for us (attitude) and he plays for the crest, and GB finds the proper place for him-I would love to see him out wide in the mid.

Certainly a good day for the US
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #182
Monday October 28, 2019 10:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from stoked3

while I agree to an extent the GB is responsible for getting the most of out his players and using them and putting them in the right position to succeed. But they are also responsible for seeing them play at clubs and building upon that-camp cupcake has done that for players. Also they should be responsible for recruiting.

I give him some credit for landing SD, but credit should go to hackworth and Ramos for getting him in early and creating a good environment-

BUT not to single you out-but did you see Wayne Rooneys quote yesterday re american coaching in MLS/Nats?

He says what I have been saying and what Zach stiffen said basically. He said he found mls coaches did a good job HOWEVER the Nats coach over coaches and doesn't put his players in the best position to succeed- that has to be noted-

hopefully SD is a good fit for us (attitude) and he plays for the crest, and GB finds the proper place for him-I would love to see him out wide in the mid.

Certainly a good day for the US
Yep, I saw the quote. I don't necessarily disagree. I think if Berhalter was able to work with this team on a weekly basis we might see something different, but he appears to be approaching the national team as a club job. They aren't the same... but hey, if you have an idea on something, you have to at least give it a shot first before abandoning it. At this point, we're all probably better served playing a traditional 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and using our athleticism to strike teams on counters.

Over-coaching aside, is it really GGG's fault though that Pulisic was unable to dribble around the Canadian defense? He was dispossessed more times than he should have given his talent and the level of the opposition. That has nothing to do with Gregg over-coaching. That was on him. Alphonso Davies was surrounded by a worse supporting cast than Pulisic and made Pulisic look like a chump compared to him. That had nothing to do with the Canadian coach.

In my opinion, almost every game we have played under Berhalter, we have done very well the first 15 minutes or so. Call it coaching or whatever, but in a number of them, it appears that at the first moment of adversity we start to unravel. Is that because of the coach? Is that because the players lack leadership on the field? Is that because players lack a fighting attitude? I don't know... but at some point, regardless of the coach and tactics, some of that has to absolutely fall on the players. In the previous games, yeah, I'll pin much of that on Gregg. Against Canada though... come on. Its freaking Canada. Sure, they are much better now and certainly are no sleeper... but given the level of our players and the guys on the field... that just simply wasn't good enough. I personally don't think thats entirely on GGG.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #183
Monday October 28, 2019 11:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from Lilshmike

Yep, I saw the quote. I don't necessarily disagree. I think if Berhalter was able to work with this team on a weekly basis we might see something different, but he appears to be approaching the national team as a club job. They aren't the same... but hey, if you have an idea on something, you have to at least give it a shot first before abandoning it. At this point, we're all probably better served playing a traditional 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and using our athleticism to strike teams on counters.

Over-coaching aside, is it really GGG's fault though that Pulisic was unable to dribble around the Canadian defense? He was dispossessed more times than he should have given his talent and the level of the opposition. That has nothing to do with Gregg over-coaching. That was on him. Alphonso Davies was surrounded by a worse supporting cast than Pulisic and made Pulisic look like a chump compared to him. That had nothing to do with the Canadian coach.

In my opinion, almost every game we have played under Berhalter, we have done very well the first 15 minutes or so. Call it coaching or whatever, but in a number of them, it appears that at the first moment of adversity we start to unravel. Is that because of the coach? Is that because the players lack leadership on the field? Is that because players lack a fighting attitude? I don't know... but at some point, regardless of the coach and tactics, some of that has to absolutely fall on the players. In the previous games, yeah, I'll pin much of that on Gregg. Against Canada though... come on. Its freaking Canada. Sure, they are much better now and certainly are no sleeper... but given the level of our players and the guys on the field... that just simply wasn't good enough. I personally don't think thats entirely on GGG.


I personally feel that Pulisic tries too hard when playing for the Nats, He wants to be Captain America and kinda freaks out. I thought he played very poorly vs Canada and I agree with Bjelks somewhat that some of that is that he does not trust the players around him enough. We have some really talented guys in our player pool that have not been given a shot. I do believe that player selection is all on GB

hamsamwich
Post #184
Tuesday October 29, 2019 12:35am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
@2tone- we play a passive reactive style that is not what these guys do at their clubs. The only guy who plays on a full attacking team is Sargent but he's surrounded with creative players. The rest all play for high pressing teams that seek to get them and the ball into space quickly. The slow methodical buildup style (that should theoretically call for different players who have more technical ability) is not what these guys do at their clubs. We aren't playing to their advantages offensively or defensively. We need to be aggressive in the midfield and yet we choose to send out a soft team.

Samtom23
Post #185
Tuesday October 29, 2019 4:59am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 459
The November roster should look considerably different than October, Weah, Adams, Holmes are back from injury. Hopefully, Roldan is gone and Trapp too. I do think roster spots are critical in building depth and competitiveness. I hope Ream and Lovitz are gone too. It would be nice to see the following

GK-Steffen, Horvath, Johnson

DF- CCV, Miagza, Cannon, Dest, Both Robinsons, Fabian and Hines-Ike, Fossey, EPB

MF- Puliisic, Adams, Mckennie, Parks, Amon, Ledezma, Pomykal, Morales, Morris

Forwards- Sargent, Jozy, Nokavich, Weah

Fossey would be a depth piece and I would expect not to play but I would give him a look because depth is needed at LB. He is coming off injury so I think bring him in with a low pressure situation in mind.

With forwards, I would give Jozy the start but bring in bodies to compete with Sargent. He didn't make an impact last time around and unsure if that is system or play personnel.

blaise213
Post #186
Tuesday October 29, 2019 9:48am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
November Roster

Forward: Sargent, Cardoso, Toye, Johannsson

Midfield: Sabbi, Pulisic, Reyna, Holmes, Sonora, Ledzema, Green, De la Fuente, Boyd

Defense: Robinson, Fabian, JB, MM, CCV, Richards, Dest

GK-Steffen, Horvath, Johnson

Dave
Post #187
Tuesday October 29, 2019 10:00am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Original post from Samtom23

GK-Steffen, Horvath, Johnson

DF- CCV, Miagza, Cannon, Dest, Both Robinsons, Fabian and Hines-Ike, Fossey, EPB

MF- Puliisic, Adams, Mckennie, Parks, Amon, Ledezma, Pomykal, Morales, Morris

Forwards- Sargent, Jozy, Nokavich, Weah

Fossey would be a depth piece and I would expect not to play but I would give him a look because depth is needed at LB. He is coming off injury so I think bring him in with a low pressure situation in mind.
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I'm all for bringing in new faces and changing things up after the pathetic showing against Canada in the last match. However I think your reaching a bit with some of your call-ups. Your including too many players currently sidelined with injuries (Fossey, A. Robinson, M. Robinson, Fabian, Adams, & Weah). I don't see these guys getting a call unless they can make the field for their clubs before the international break.
I'd go with Brooks, Yedlin, and Alvarado on the defensive side...and Berhaulter seems to favor Ream, so I expect him to be there. In the midfield I'd be surprised if we don't see Bradley or Trapp. Parks & Amon are more likely to be U-23 and January Call-Ups....so I expect to see Arriola & Boyd get the call again.
Id go with Sabbi over Novak.....he's getting good minutes and has been producing.

Samtom23
Post #188
Tuesday October 29, 2019 11:31am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 459
Adams and Weah are back in training as my understanding so I would bring them in.. For Antonne Robinson yahoo did the following article

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/sports.yahoo....

For the other Robinson he is questionable so yes, I could see leaving him out. He hasn't been ruled out for the Nov 10 Atlanta match but I'd rest him.

If GB does call in Ream and Roldan and we lose that will spell trouble for him. I don't think he is immune to criticism as that photo of him and Ernie at the Champions League match was a bit of PR.

It will be more interesting to see what GB does this time around. Because the lack of fight there might be a change of personnel.

Also, good point in Sabbi. Would you consider Cappis as well? And I can agree with Alvarado. but I left off Yedlin because I don't think he is 100% and he cannot cross the ball to save his life. For the record, I like Yedlin despite his limitations.

Samtom23
Post #189
Tuesday October 29, 2019 12:07pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 459
Who's Cardoso?

blaise213
Post #190
Tuesday October 29, 2019 7:21pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Original post from Samtom23

Who's Cardoso?


Johnny Cardoso recently made his first team debut for Internacional in Brazil's Serie A (final 15 minutes of a 9/15/19 3-1 win over Atletico Mineiro). Raised in Brazil, Cardoso was born in 2001 in New Jersey.

He was called in to the U23 camp
10 minute sub vs El Salvador
Said he looked good in the camp

hamsamwich
Post #191
Wednesday October 30, 2019 12:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
Roldan with an energetic, confident performance in his CM spot. Not playing up high as a creator or extra forward. This is reference material for this of you who don't understand how or why Gregg is stunting our players during camps and friendlies and competitive games. Exhibit A is Roldan. We all know he's at best a USA bench player but he is not being used to his strengths.

bjelks
Post #192
Wednesday October 30, 2019 2:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
What are Roldan's strengths?
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #193
Wednesday October 30, 2019 2:55pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 459
Passing the ball out of bounds. He is adept at this and making dangerous passes to the other team inside his team's own box.

Lilshmike
Post #194
Wednesday October 30, 2019 5:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from bjelks

What are Roldan's strengths?
For once I think I may actually be siding with bjelks...

@hamsamwich

Roldan is a CM who has played CM for the national team under Berhalter. He isn't being played out of position. Roldan has played under 3 managers now for the national team and has never really seemed to replicate his club form in the national team. He has almost always looked sub par.

McKennie has played box to box, holding, and attacking mid under Berhalter, but that hasn't stunted him. There really isn't anyone being played out of position under Berhalter except for some of the guys who have played LB, and (in my opinion) Morris.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but this is a poor example. There is more evidence to suggest the opposite with plenty of examples of players playing their natural/club positions, and as you yourself noted... Roldan is at best a bench option. Whats the point in complaining about a player who at his best should be riding the pine with better players in front of him?

You're trying to scapegoat GGG for the poor performances of players. Its not Berhalter's fault that Roldan hasn't been good enough.

db707
Post #195
Wednesday October 30, 2019 9:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,084
Original post from blaise213

Johnny Cardoso recently made his first team debut for Internacional in Brazil's Serie A (final 15 minutes of a 9/15/19 3-1 win over Atletico Mineiro). Raised in Brazil, Cardoso was born in 2001 in New Jersey.

He was called in to the U23 camp
10 minute sub vs El Salvador
Said he looked good in the camp


Did you order his jersey yet, or does he have to play at least a full half of professional soccer for that to happen?

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