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bjelks
Post #166
Sunday October 27, 2019 11:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Kamphgruppe

LOL, just not going to admit that everyone played bad, fine scapegoat the MLS guys. ROFL


Do you understand that there is no rule that mandates you must call the same guys every camp?

So if you could rotate guys that have never looked good for country or played at a high club level, why wouldn't you?

The reason Pulisic, Sarg and Mckennie look better for their club teams than the national team is that they're not asked to do everything just their job.

Pulisic can't be effective running at ppl if we can't win the ball, keep the ball, and run off the ball to create space.
Roldan doing nothing and Morris' inability to cut in or get behind makes it impossible for Pulisic to play "well" by your standards
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #167
Monday October 28, 2019 2:53am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Do you understand that there is no rule that mandates you must call the same guys every camp?

So if you could rotate guys that have never looked good for country or played at a high club level, why wouldn't you?

The reason Pulisic, Sarg and Mckennie look better for their club teams than the national team is that they're not asked to do everything just their job.

Pulisic can't be effective running at ppl if we can't win the ball, keep the ball, and run off the ball to create space.
Roldan doing nothing and Morris' inability to cut in or get behind makes it impossible for Pulisic to play "well" by your standards


lol, I never set any standards, Pulisic played very poorly vs Canada, the whole team did. It makes me laugh that your going to the ends of the earth to give him a pass and blaming the whole thing on other players. You are the one always talking about accountability. where is yours? Yes, I am sick of roldan and company, that is not the reason Pulisic played poorly.

hamsamwich
Post #168
Monday October 28, 2019 3:22am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
I think Berhalter is also stunting the MLS guys. I mean Roldan May have looked bad but he doesn't play as a #10 for Seattle. Our best MLS guys play up tempo.

Lilshmike
Post #169
Monday October 28, 2019 1:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from hamsamwich

I think Berhalter is also stunting the MLS guys. I mean Roldan May have looked bad but he doesn't play as a #10 for Seattle. Our best MLS guys play up tempo.
Berhalter isn't responsible for the growth and development of players. That's on themselves and their club teams... nothing to do with Gregg. Playing out of position for 2 games every 2 months isn't going to stunt a player's growth.

Not singling you out here, but there is too much blame being put on the guy for things that aren't even in his control. Not trying to defend him, but let's get real and quit scapegoating all problems on the coach.

And for the record, I do not think Roldan should be in the national team picture moving forward unless we are really short on players and hes brought in as a reserve/bench/practice player. He plays well in MLS, but his form hasn't translated to the national team.

bjelks
Post #170
Monday October 28, 2019 2:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Kamphgruppe

lol, I never set any standards, Pulisic played very poorly vs Canada, the whole team did. It makes me laugh that your going to the ends of the earth to give him a pass and blaming the whole thing on other players. You are the one always talking about accountability. where is yours? Yes, I am sick of roldan and company, that is not the reason Pulisic played poorly.


Pulisic is going to run at ppl every game no matter who is out there.
But if you've ever played the game before you know that you can't run at ppl when the other time can corral you because they don't have to mark anyone else.
And he doesn't trust his teammates to past to because well they're terrible
goalsense
jtsccr12
Post #171
Monday October 28, 2019 6:13pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 94
My new lineup:

-----Steffen

Dest Miazga Brooks Ream

--Adams---McKennie

-Morris Llegett Pulisic

------Sargent

Give Dest the role that GB pegged Adams for in the beginning.

blaise213
Post #172
Monday October 28, 2019 6:47pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
My same line up

-- Sargent --
- Reyna -- Sonora -
Pulisic - Holmes - De la Fuente
- Robinson - JB - MM - Dest
-- Steffen --

Know Nothing
Post #173
Monday October 28, 2019 7:13pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,830
Original post from blaise213

My same line up

- Sargent -
- Reyna - Sonora -
Pulisic - Holmes - De la Fuente
- Robinson - JB - MM - Dest
- Steffen -


What has Zach Steffen ever done to you? You have provided him with no cover

hamsamwich
Post #174
Monday October 28, 2019 7:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
Original post from Lilshmike

Berhalter isn't responsible for the growth and development of players. That's on themselves and their club teams... nothing to do with Gregg. Playing out of position for 2 games every 2 months isn't going to stunt a player's growth.

Not singling you out here, but there is too much blame being put on the guy for things that aren't even in his control. Not trying to defend him, but let's get real and quit scapegoating all problems on the coach.

And for the record, I do not think Roldan should be in the national team picture moving forward unless we are really short on players and hes brought in as a reserve/bench/practice player. He plays well in MLS, but his form hasn't translated to the national team.
You struggle To understand a simple point. Roldan has developed well with Seattle, I've never said players develop with the national team. He plays where he should play with the Seattle but is utilized horribly with the USA. And he shouldn't play for the USA. My point is he is used improperly with USA. The same as Berhalter does with the euro guys. All the players are misused.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #175
Monday October 28, 2019 7:30pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,546
Imo, Brooks will be injured...

----.Steff...--
Lima....Miazga...Long....Robinson/Cannon
--Adams...Mckennie--.
----.Holmes...--
-.Dest------...Puli
-----..Sarg

The Ream thing is tough. He's our best distributer out of the back but is a liability against Canada's speed. If Canada just needs a tie out of the game, they might sit back and invite us to break their saggy D...then spring the forwards loose on the counter. If Adams is healthy he'll help shut down their counters, but Ream is a bad speed match up

I put down Mckennie but it could easily be MB, since Adams would do the hard work Defensively and MB would be able to be a primary distributor...McKennie is young he has a great mentality, but he needs more experience and savvy...don't know where his strength would be for the nats...right now he doesn't look great up field as an 8...he's definitely not a 10 at all...6 would be okay, but he's not as strong as Adams as a 6...Imo, he needs to be way better up field to be an 8.

I don't get the Roldan thing up field. GB loses me on that one. Roldan is gritty and high work rate but technically out of his depth up field at the international level.

Yeah, no Yedlin for me...for whatever reason he's becoming the new Omar for phase outs...he doesn't pass well out of the back and frankly Lima is much better overlapping. No amount of speed can help Yedlin with the mind numbing tune outs.

I would also take Cannon over him in a heartbeat.

Yeah Yedlin's an EPL defender but he looks average and has game altering tuneouts for the nats...and that's all that matters to me...what you get done when you're on the field with the nats.

I like Lletget a lot, but if Holmes is healthy, I'd love to see him with his savvy and speed and solid defensive workrate...especially for an attacker.

I like Dest at mid for the time being...with Puli on the other side.

Robinson/Lima/Cannon at Leftback...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #176
Monday October 28, 2019 7:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,597
Original post from hamsamwich

You struggle To understand a simple point. Roldan has developed well with Seattle, I've never said players develop with the national team. He plays where he should play with the Seattle but is utilized horribly with the USA. And he shouldn't play for the USA. My point is he is used improperly with USA. The same as Berhalter does with the euro guys. All the players are misused.


How are all of the European players misused? Sargent is playing striker for Bremen and the USMNT, Pulisic is playing LW for club and country. McKennie is being played everywhere by Schalke and as an attacking 8 with the USMNT( and he clearly doesn't have a set position for Schalke), Weah has been injured, Adams was utilized once at RB/CM, and it looks like he will be a CM with the USMNt, Boyd plays winger for both club and country, Brooks plays both LCB for club and country, Ream has been played at LB because unfortunately we really don't have a competent LB. Hopefully Antonee Robinson and Chris Gloster keeps on progressing.

This is not to say Berhalter hasn't made mistakes because he has. But I think everyone is getting really crazy. I for one want to see Berhalter finally have all personnel available I.e Adams, Weah, Altidore, Dest etc... before calling for blood. I think November's roster will be quite different.

blaise213
Post #177
Monday October 28, 2019 7:57pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Original post from Know Nothing

What has Zach Steffen ever done to you? You have provided him with no cover


Lmao ! That was good

You could bump up Holmes for Sonora and put in a player like Adams, Green or Parks in but I like attacking soccer

Know Nothing
Post #178
Monday October 28, 2019 8:23pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,830
Well my lineup is similar to most of my previous lineups as well...a 3-4-2-1 with Holmes and CP in free roles behid/beside the striker.

Dest and Cannon as wingbacks and a back three that offers a little more protection.

Steffen
Long, Brooks, Miazga
Dest, McKennie, Parks, Cannon
Holmes, Pulisic
Sargent

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #179
Monday October 28, 2019 9:17pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Not comparing anyone to anyone, just acknowledging that the Euro guys played just bad as the MLS guys. Note that our euro guys were getting dominated by MLS guys so I guess I don't understand the original argument that the MLS guys make the Euro guys play bad. He mention that the Euro guys when to their team and played well, I mention that Morris did too. Learn to read and quit putting words into my mouth.


You must not have read what I wrote-please reread. but yes morris went back and played well and continues to play well-but he has his limitations. I would have him in our 23 and he would be 65 min sub-I would like to see him running at defenders with tired legs-he will hustle and give us the US mentality with more skill than zardes-that being said he doesn't have the proper INT tech skills needed. He needs to get out of mls and go overseas-

I won't rewrite what I wrote before but to your point that they had mls guys, we were outcoached.
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #180
Monday October 28, 2019 9:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from 2tone

How are all of the European players misused? Sargent is playing striker for Bremen and the USMNT, Pulisic is playing LW for club and country. McKennie is being played everywhere by Schalke and as an attacking 8 with the USMNT( and he clearly doesn't have a set position for Schalke), Weah has been injured, Adams was utilized once at RB/CM, and it looks like he will be a CM with the USMNt, Boyd plays winger for both club and country, Brooks plays both LCB for club and country, Ream has been played at LB because unfortunately we really don't have a competent LB. Hopefully Antonee Robinson and Chris Gloster keeps on progressing.

This is not to say Berhalter hasn't made mistakes because he has. But I think everyone is getting really crazy. I for one want to see Berhalter finally have all personnel available I.e Adams, Weah, Altidore, Dest etc... before calling for blood. I think November's roster will be quite different.
Exactly.

@Hamsamwich

Who exactly is misused? To build off 2tone, pretty much everyone is being played in their dominant position, so I don't see exactly how people are being used improperly. Morris is the only one that I can think of who is playing out of position because I consider him a ST, not a winger, who was shifted to the outside at club to accommodate better players at Seattle. In my mind, maybe Arriola when he plays on the left instead of the right where he plays at DC. Outside of that, you're splitting hairs. Hell, even Morris and Arriola are splitting hairs.

Berhalter already stated that he views Yedlin as a RB and Adams as a CM, and will be playing them in those positions as such.

Not singling you out, but people are freaking out over things without putting certain situations into context.

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