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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #151
Sunday October 27, 2019 7:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from stoked3

What was flawed with my analysis? Did you read what I wrote? Please reread and reply where I was incorrect.

Yep Morris scored with speed and hustle. Thats good, but the difference is he needs speed plus tech skills on the INT level. And when you rely on just speed but the Euro guys are relying on Positioning, technical speed, mental quickness, and physical speed, it will certainly through off the guys whom expect you to be in a certain area. Scoring in the Bundesliga or assisting in the Premier League is far more impressive than MLS.


I agree that scoring in the Bundesliga or the Premier league is more difficult than MLS that was never the debate, quit trying to deflect. The Euro guys played just as bad as the MLS guys was the original conversation. Also Morris did not score with just hustle, your blind if you think so.

bjelks
Post #152
Sunday October 27, 2019 8:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Lol this is a joke.

You're comparing guys like Roldan, bradley, Lovitz who offered nothing and have never offered anything with guys you expect to dominate.

What can this be other than mls bias?

Morris is very limited. Like I said he tries hard, but lacks skill and creativity. And his sloppy touches, lack of 1v1 play, and short ideas kill attacks

Long, Ream at their best are very mediocre

Bradley, Roldan, and Lovitz have no place at this level and are completely liabilities

So before we talk about how bad Pulisic, Sargent, Mckennie were, let's ask what we're asking of them compared to the mls guys?
And how much better can they be playing with guys that offer nothing and the rest being marginally competent at best
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #153
Sunday October 27, 2019 8:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Lol this is a joke.

You're comparing guys like Roldan, bradley, Lovitz who offered nothing and have never offered anything with guys you expect to dominate.

What can this be other than mls bias?

Morris is very limited. Like I said he tries hard, but lacks skill and creativity. And his sloppy touches, lack of 1v1 play, and short ideas kill attacks

Long, Ream at their best are very mediocre

Bradley, Roldan, and Lovitz have no place at this level and are completely liabilities

So before we talk about how bad Pulisic, Sargent, Mckennie were, let's ask what we're asking of them compared to the mls guys?
And how much better can they be playing with guys that offer nothing and the rest being marginally competent at best


Not comparing anyone to anyone, just acknowledging that the Euro guys played just bad as the MLS guys. Note that our euro guys were getting dominated by MLS guys so I guess I don't understand the original argument that the MLS guys make the Euro guys play bad. He mention that the Euro guys when to their team and played well, I mention that Morris did too. Learn to read and quit putting words into my mouth.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #154
Sunday October 27, 2019 9:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Lol this is a joke.

You're comparing guys like Roldan, bradley, Lovitz who offered nothing and have never offered anything with guys you expect to dominate.

What can this be other than mls bias?

Morris is very limited. Like I said he tries hard, but lacks skill and creativity. And his sloppy touches, lack of 1v1 play, and short ideas kill attacks

Long, Ream at their best are very mediocre

Bradley, Roldan, and Lovitz have no place at this level and are completely liabilities

So before we talk about how bad Pulisic, Sargent, Mckennie were, let's ask what we're asking of them compared to the mls guys?
And how much better can they be playing with guys that offer nothing and the rest being marginally competent at best


Also, I don't have an MLS bias, you clearly have an anti MLS bias, I just take it as one league among many, you guys are the ones who consistently blame any national team failing on MLS. Personally I believe it is our coach that is the biggest problem. You love guys that play in Europe no matter what their actual skill level is and downplay anyone that plays in MLS.

bjelks
Post #155
Sunday October 27, 2019 9:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Lol I like whoever the best players are.

It's no secret that Lovitz, Roldan, and Bradley suck.
It's no secret that Long and Morris are extremely limited.
Ream is a championship player. Also not good enough.

It's no secret that Pulisic,. Mckennie, and Sargent play in top leagues.
And If they didn't have top level talent, they wouldn't be in a top league. If a player plays in a top league and another plays in a 2nd to 3rd tier league, would common sense tell you that the guys in the top league are more skilled?

When you watch Roldan, Morris, Lovitz, Long play, can't you tell that they're lacking skill?

Yes, the coach is the problem, mainly because he's stuck on the camp cupcake roster and continue to call the same players after terrible performances.

What is it going to take for you to understand the difference between a terrible performance and a terrible player trying as hard as he can?
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #156
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Lol I like whoever the best players are.

It's no secret that Lovitz, Roldan, and Bradley suck.
It's no secret that Long and Morris are extremely limited.
Ream is a championship player. Also not good enough.

It's no secret that Pulisic,. Mckennie, and Sargent play in top leagues.
And If they didn't have top level talent, they wouldn't be in a top league. If a player plays in a top league and another plays in a 2nd to 3rd tier league, would common sense tell you that the guys in the top league are more skilled?

When you watch Roldan, Morris, Lovitz, Long play, can't you tell that they're lacking skill?

Yes, the coach is the problem, mainly because he's stuck on the camp cupcake roster and continue to call the same players after terrible performances.

What is it going to take for you to understand the difference between a terrible performance and a terrible player trying as hard as he can?


What will it take for you to admit that everyone played bad?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #157
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from bjelks

Lol I like whoever the best players are.

It's no secret that Lovitz, Roldan, and Bradley suck.
It's no secret that Long and Morris are extremely limited.
Ream is a championship player. Also not good enough.

It's no secret that Pulisic,. Mckennie, and Sargent play in top leagues.
And If they didn't have top level talent, they wouldn't be in a top league. If a player plays in a top league and another plays in a 2nd to 3rd tier league, would common sense tell you that the guys in the top league are more skilled?

When you watch Roldan, Morris, Lovitz, Long play, can't you tell that they're lacking skill?

Yes, the coach is the problem, mainly because he's stuck on the camp cupcake roster and continue to call the same players after terrible performances.

What is it going to take for you to understand the difference between a terrible performance and a terrible player trying as hard as he can?


I have never once said that the MLS guys not less skilled, again you put words in my mouth.

Lilshmike
Post #158
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,510
Original post from bjelks

Lol I like whoever the best players are.

It's no secret that Lovitz, Roldan, and Bradley suck.
It's no secret that Long and Morris are extremely limited.
Ream is a championship player. Also not good enough.

It's no secret that Pulisic,. Mckennie, and Sargent play in top leagues.
And If they didn't have top level talent, they wouldn't be in a top league. If a player plays in a top league and another plays in a 2nd to 3rd tier league, would common sense tell you that the guys in the top league are more skilled?

When you watch Roldan, Morris, Lovitz, Long play, can't you tell that they're lacking skill?

Yes, the coach is the problem, mainly because he's stuck on the camp cupcake roster and continue to call the same players after terrible performances.

What is it going to take for you to understand the difference between a terrible performance and a terrible player trying as hard as he can?
Ream playing in the Championship isn't good enough. This coming from the guy calling for Miazga and Holmes (both also in the Championship) and has for Gooch (who plays in League One, below the Championship).

blaise213
Post #159
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:36pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I agree that scoring in the Bundesliga or the Premier league is more difficult than MLS that was never the debate, quit trying to deflect. The Euro guys played just as bad as the MLS guys was the original conversation. Also Morris did not score with just hustle, your blind if you think so.


I don't get the euro guys played bad argument. If you're surrounded by a bunch of shit MLS players then of course you'll play bad. Put Tom Brady and 2 other players on the toronto argonauts and see how shit they'll play...

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #160
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from blaise213

I don't get the euro guys played bad argument. If you're surrounded by a bunch of shit MLS players then of course you'll play bad. Put Tom Brady and 3 other players on a Canadian Team and see how shit they'll play...


But if you put Tom Brady with a Canadian Team you would still expect him to make an accurate pass, If he sucks, he sucks no matter who he is surrounded by.

blaise213
Post #161
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:39pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Original post from Kamphgruppe

But if you put Tom Brady with a Canadian Team you would still expect him to make an accurate pass, If he sucks, he sucks no matter who he is surrounded by.


Plain and simple. The MLS guys getting called up are garbage

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #162
Sunday October 27, 2019 10:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from blaise213

Plain and simple. The MLS guys getting called up are garbage


LOL, just not going to admit that everyone played bad, fine scapegoat the MLS guys. ROFL

bjelks
Post #163
Sunday October 27, 2019 11:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Lilshmike

Ream playing in the Championship isn't good enough. This coming from the guy calling for Miazga and Holmes (both also in the Championship) and has for Gooch (who plays in League One, below the Championship).


That was in case someone thought I was unfairly targeting mls guys.

Ream is too slow, not quick enough on the table, and is not good 1v1.
I just gave you actual soccer reasons from seeing him play.

Don't quite get the Championship comparison.
Vela and Josef both play in mls and are good, but that doesn't mean Roldan and Lovitz who play in mls are good
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blaise213
Post #164
Sunday October 27, 2019 11:15pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,184
Original post from Kamphgruppe

LOL, just not going to admit that everyone played bad, fine scapegoat the MLS guys. ROFL


You play in the MLS ?

I can't even watch this team with these call-ups. It's a shit show

bjelks
Post #165
Sunday October 27, 2019 11:19pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,767
Original post from Kamphgruppe

But if you put Tom Brady with a Canadian Team you would still expect him to make an accurate pass, If he sucks, he sucks no matter who he is surrounded by.


If Tom Brady has CFL players blocking for him, he'll never get a pass off, that's the whole pt smh.

Pulisic is playing 1 v 5, because no one else can dribble, pick a pass, Or show for a pass.
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