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bjelks
Post #91
Wednesday October 9, 2019 5:13am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from db707

Richards is a youth player. The rest of the guys you mention, throwing names out there randomly as you normally do, let me give some actual context:
- F. Johnson: Currently injured. Whether he's done or not, would be 35 in Qatar.
- Chandler: Hasn't been starting recently, was injured most of last year. One can still make a case for him, but we all know he has underachieved with the USMNT in the past. So I'm not up in arms about him not being there.
- Holmes: Has been in and out of the starting lineup since coming back from injury. With Holmes, as I think he could be a good late game sub for us to spark the offense, I would have invited him.
- EPB: Plays for a mid-table Austrian club, got sent off in his first league game. Has played recently, but leaving him there to settle isn't a problem for me.
- Alvarado: I thought you didn't rate Alvarado? I'd also like to see him get a recall, though I am happy for Miles Robinson to get another look (go Orange).
- Green: He's never going to be the player people thought he could be 5, 6, 7 years ago. That ship has sailed, and highlights the problem of overhyping guys before they've actually made it at senior level. He's a decent 2. Bundesliga player. Could you make a case for him, yes. But his exclusion isn't a travesty.
- Gall: Swedish league sub. Pass.
- D Will: Plays in the Cypriot league. At least is back playing, good for him. But he's played all of 3 games after long-term injury problems. Maybe at least wait until November, see if he can stay healthy that long, then call him over Trappic Cone.
- A. Robinson: Ok option for pace on the left, but plays on a struggling Championship team and looked awful last time he played for the Nats (yes, so did Man of the Match Wil Trapp). I do hope he gets another chance down the line.
- Pomykal: Had a minor injury recently, could go either way but maybe he just wasn't fully fit. We know he's in the mix as he was called last time.
- Parks: Also has been injured recently, missed NYC's last 3 games.
- Sonora: Again, injured. And you've never seen him play.


- Wrong - Richards plays in B3 against full time pros
- F. Johnson is younger than Bradley and still in a better league
- Chandler - Lima isn't an every week starter in a lesser league most of the team has underachieved with the Nats
- Holmes - I think is clearly better than Lttetget and should be a starter
- EPB has also been team of the week recently
- Alvarado rather see him than Omar, Zman and Long
- Green - like Stoked said the natl team can't be saviors or mls players, it needs to be a collection of guys and that have more quality than the guys left out
Roldan, Baird have done nothing to impress
- Gall again offers more quality than Baird, Roldan, Morris, Arriola...worth a look
- DWill - all I'm saying is treat all injured players the same as you treat Morris and Jozy
- Pax May be injured but I thought he was held back for calling out Gregg last window
- Sonora was healthy in May, June and Sept and I've seen him play enough to know he's better than Roldan, Baird, Arriola, Morris
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blaise213
Post #92
Wednesday October 9, 2019 9:30am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,963
What I don't get is if US Soccer is sticking with an MLS agenda, why are they calling up the shitty MLS players ? Why not:

Jesus Ferreira
Keaton Parks
Mason Toye

Why aren't these guys called up?

Matko Miljevic - Argentina 1st Division
Joel Sonora - Argentina 1st Division
Jo„o Lucas de Souza Cardoso - Brazil 1st Division
Gio Reyna - played 1st team preseason, practicing w/first team

Ledzema, Mendez, Soto > Trapp, Roldan, Baird

Duane Holmes got snubbed, the injury excuse was bull shit because Will Trapp is GB's boy
Julian Green is better than Lleget
Antonee Robinson should be the starting LB

Richards is better than Long

This is a bull shit team with a bull shit coach with a corrupt federation. I hope we lose to Canada

db707
Post #93
Wednesday October 9, 2019 11:13am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
blaise, you're talking about practice, man. Practice!

@bjelks, fine, I'll give you that Richards is in the reserves with young players playing against third division talent, the last level before semi-pro. Why the desire to rush with him? We have guys like Alvarado who are first division senior team pros we could call up ahead of him. And Alabama may feel like a foreign country, but they can't cap tie him.

Johnson's younger than Bradley? Ok, so? They play different positions, name a good 35 year old wing back.

Chandler should be called because Lima was. You're making a case against Lima (and other guys) there, fine, not a case for Chandler.

Learn to spell Lletget's name correctly.

You just will not give up on Gall. He could be the groundskeeper at Malmo and you'd still cry for his inclusion.

Williams, again, you're making a case against Morris and Altidore (one that I agree with, I said before the Gold Cup Morris should have been left out), not one for Williams. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Benhamin13
Washington, DC
Post #94
Wednesday October 9, 2019 11:40am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 37
I support the "call in the younger guys" mentality. Also, I wish we had a coach with the personality of a Jon Gruden. Need to smile and joke around a bit. GB is as dull as they get. Respectfully, I would like to see him exit quickly. That is all for now....

hamsamwich
Post #95
Wednesday October 9, 2019 12:25pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
Gulati said (I'm paraphrasing) we don't need to change a thing and that was the day after the loss to T&T. Fans got up in arms and demanded change. We got Carlos Cordeiro and a wasted year. Followed up by the brothers Berhalter, there has been no change. The same stale loser players.

How long do we have to go until we look competent again. A dispirited Uruguay side that we luckily drew with is not a great result. We "tried" against Mexico. Yay!

We keep being served the same food expecting gourmet and it's greasy catfish instead.

bjelks
Post #96
Wednesday October 9, 2019 2:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from db707

blaise, you're talking about practice, man. Practice!

@bjelks, fine, I'll give you that Richards is in the reserves with young players playing against third division talent, the last level before semi-pro. Why the desire to rush with him? We have guys like Alvarado who are first division senior team pros we could call up ahead of him. And Alabama may feel like a foreign country, but they can't cap tie him.

Johnson's younger than Bradley? Ok, so? They play different positions, name a good 35 year old wing back.

Chandler should be called because Lima was. You're making a case against Lima (and other guys) there, fine, not a case for Chandler.

Learn to spell Lletget's name correctly.

You just will not give up on Gall. He could be the groundskeeper at Malmo and you'd still cry for his inclusion.

Williams, again, you're making a case against Morris and Altidore (one that I agree with, I said before the Gold Cup Morris should have been left out), not one for Williams. Two wrongs don't make a right.


We could call Alvarado, that's fine I don't care, but I would like to see if Richards can pass or defend 1v1 better than Long which I think he can.

We're still playing Ream at left back who is still older than Fabian.

Chandler should be called in because he's significantly better than others called at his position like Lima and likely Cannon. Plays in a Better league more experienced, better technique.

I'll learn to spell Lletget when he starts an EPL game

Gall may not be a world beater, but I'm betting he's better than Arriola and Morris.
And natl team should be about picking the best players

Case for Williams, he's still a clearly just as good a passer, better defender, more mobile and has played at a top level more recently than Bradley and Trapp

I'm not married to any player. If they underperform, they should be rotated out. This current batch of domestic players excluding Cannon has proved unfit for the natl team
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db707
Post #97
Wednesday October 9, 2019 2:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
@bjelks, so you watch the Cypriot league and you've seen how Williams has looked after long-term injury problems? Get out of here.

Every one of the guys you mention with maybe the exception of Alvarado has serious flags against them (injuries, lack of playing time, not proven against the type of competition he would see at international level yet, etc.). I just want us to a) consider whether a player is playing for his senior team or not and b) treat everyone the same. So if Morris has had injury problems, don't give him a pass while holding it against Gyau, for example. Where we agree is that clearly Berhalter has his favorites, and isn't using the same criteria to evaluate everyone. If he was, he wouldn't be calling in Trapp, he'd be giving almost literally anyone else a chance (I want to see Hyndman myself, though he plays a more advanced role generally).

bjelks
Post #98
Wednesday October 9, 2019 3:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
@db707 Our entire domestic core has serious flags.

None of them are proven at the international or club level.

Our most decorated domestic players in Jozy and Altidore are unproven at the international and club level in the past 5 yrs.

We can't just consider whether a player is playing for a Sr team or not when comparing an MLS player over 21 and a under 21 player at an elite club like Ajax, PSV Or Bayern M.
Before Dest was a Sr. Team player for Ajax, he was clearly our best wing back.
Before Mckennie was full time in Sr. Team, he was clearly better than Bradley and Trapp.

I do agree we should treat everyone the same and not play favorites.

I will add if Pulisic and Adams have bad games this cycle, I'm giving them an out, because Gregg is not complementing them with competent players
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db707
Post #99
Wednesday October 9, 2019 8:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
@bjelks, so why get up in arms about some questionable choices not being replaced by other potentially questionable choices? I'd like to see some new blood, definitely, but guys need to make themselves undeniable. Who among those guys you argue so strenuously for is doing that right now? Sitting on a bench in Sweden doesn't qualify. Barely playing due to injury and/or loss of form doesn't qualify. Not making your first team doesn't qualify.

Also Adams is not in the squad and I assume you meant Bradley and Altidore. And please don't rehash the revisionist history on McKennie (Trapp wasn't in the frame then either by the way).

bjelks
Post #100
Wednesday October 9, 2019 9:51pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
@db707 if the standard is mls vets and Gregg's boys do not have to make themselves undeniable, why do fringe euros, duals and young players have to?
That's the hypocrisy of this all.

We can get up in arms because the current questionable choices have no accountability. They're automatic no matter how they play. If the new guys get a shot and are worse, then we don't lose anything we can call the retreads back.
But dismissing them and saying they're not undeniable is a problematic.

Most if not all the mls vets didn't look competent against Mexico in GC and the Friendly. We don't need undeniable superstar saviors we need 23 players that are physically, technically and tactically competent.
Trapp can't do the basic things you want a 6 to do.
Roldan can't do the basic things you want an 8/10 to do.
Arriola and Morris can't do the basic things you want intl wings to do.

I keep bringing up Gall because He can't be worse than Baird or Lovitz.

I'm sorry some typos. Yes Bradley and Jozy.
Yea I believe wholeheartedly had Mckennie and Miazga started the Couva game we would've qualified.
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db707
Post #101
Wednesday October 9, 2019 10:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
@bjelks, my point is that given the reality of the situation where Berhalter, when faced with mediocre option A and mediocre option B, is clearly favoring A regularly due to familiarity, MLS bias, whatever you want to call it, B needs to be better than mediocre. Is that fair, not really, but it's also not grossly unfair that these guys with lots of holes in their resumes aren't getting called. I'm not dismissing these guys entirely, I am simply pointing out the arguments against them, which are in many cases more compelling than the arguments for them.

Lilshmike
Post #102
Wednesday October 9, 2019 11:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
@bjelks

For the record, Fabian Johnson stated before the last WC that the 2018 WC would be the end of his international career. Berhalter and him played together at 1860 Munich. When Berhlater became manager, he spoke to Johnson to see how he felt about playing for the national team. Although the contents of that conversation have never been made public... Johnson has not yet played for the national team under Berhalter (a former teammate of his).

So yeah... hes done. Not only did he state it publicly before the last WC that 2018 was going to be his last stint with the USMNT, but he hasn't accepted a call-up even after GGG tried to talk him into it.

His exclusion from the national team is no longer noteworthy.

hamsamwich
Post #103
Wednesday October 9, 2019 11:51pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
So if we keep trotting out these guys, most whom will go to the camp cupcake in Qatar, how does that not indicate the direction of the team as we go into World Cup qualifying? As we move into next year will we see the style and grace of a Berhalter concacaf juggernaut? Or will we see the team who struggle against Jamaica and Honduras? Berhalters reliance in this rigid system excludes players who perhaps are more talented and even more accomplished. But it's not the individual players, it's the lack of a cohesive plan moving forward into World Cup qualifying. You can't say these Central American teams etc aren't licking their chops at our inability to break a press when they know we won't kick it long. Long nights ahead in San Pedro Sula or even Panama or Jamaica. Berhalter must have one hell of a sales pitch in person to keep everyone buying in. Results, performances, coaching, public relations, ticket sales... everything must improve before next year. It must be nice to have the entitled attitude of a middling MLS coach whose brother runs the show. It is reflected in the touchy press conferences he gives and the aloofness. This is a continued downward trajectory and nothing has gotten better. If the players aren't good enough why does the plan have to be so complicated...? And if that's true then do we need to see the younger more talented players get a chance to execute a more complex system? If nobody can get the system should we shelve it? Should we just entrust it all to the brothers Berhalter and hope they're the best? Lots of questions, no answers or real direction.

Lilshmike
Post #104
Thursday October 10, 2019 12:25am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
@hamsamwich

There is a reason that people like GGG are where they are, and people like you and me are behind keyboards.

Its easy to see that most people on this site have neither played at a high level nor coached.. otherwise, there would be some sort of understanding on a number of the issues discussed. But no... its all doom and gloom, burn it all down, everyone is incompetent, the world is over, etc.

That being said, how many times has Gregg actually had a window where all the players in our pool are healthy and available? Maybe 1? Think of how many times our better players (Yedlin, Adams, Brooks, McKennie... hell, even throw in Weah, Williams, Morales, Holmes, Jozy, Nagbe, Fabian Johnson) have been out due to injury or rejected a call-up. You can only work with what you've been given... and outside of the core group of our best, call it 7 to 9, players... the quality drops off. When you have limited options... there really isn't much you can do.

Complain about Trapp getting continuously selected, sure. But there aren't too many guys right now who have been available that create an undeniable argument for selection over him. Complain about Zardes? Ok, sure, but remember... not one single forward in our entire pool is putting up numbers like him in their league. Hes the top scoring American forward... so his continued inclusion (although annoying) isn't unreasonable.

You, and others, keep pissing and moaning about selections and decisions when if you actually step back from the emotion of the situation, analyze everything from an unbiased perspective, the end result is basically like having 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other. Either way, the situation isn't great.

bjelks
Post #105
Thursday October 10, 2019 12:25am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from db707

@bjelks, my point is that given the reality of the situation where Berhalter, when faced with mediocre option A and mediocre option B, is clearly favoring A regularly due to familiarity, MLS bias, whatever you want to call it, B needs to be better than mediocre. Is that fair, not really, but it's also not grossly unfair that these guys with lots of holes in their resumes aren't getting called. I'm not dismissing these guys entirely, I am simply pointing out the arguments against them, which are in many cases more compelling than the arguments for them.


We can just agree to disagree. I won't agree that these mls options are even mediocre or that the "fringe" euro or South American guys until I actually see them get an opportunity.
I'll err on the side that the mls guys are terrible barring a few exceptions and mediocre would be a step up
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