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Lilshmike
Post #76
Monday October 7, 2019 10:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

Yes, and this is the same Gregg who continues to call in Trapp and Bradley.

The Khiry Shelton situation seems to be more injury and numbers driven than anything else. Look at Kyle Scott being on the bench for Chelsea when they had injures/suspensions at the start of the 2018/2019 season. It is kind of telling that he only played 2 Bundelsliga 2 matches the second half of last year after signing.

"But just to establish... many of those younger guys aren't playing at the only level available to them... if they were, they would be starting for the first teams at their clubs or be consistent members of the first team bench. But they are not." True, but in my mind that is simplistic BS.

As we have seen with Pulisic, the situation you are in does not diminish your worth to a national team. I will concede Ledezma may not be the finished article, but he is stuck behind international players on teams much better than ours. Much better for Ajax to send him to the second division to get matches than to languish on the bench and get no match time. The teams train together so I am sure he gets oportunities to train with the first team. The players he is behind would be starters for us.
Again... I can agree on Trapp. Bradley, like it or not, should still be a 23 man roster player. Plain and simple. I don't like it, but thats where we are right now.

Again... you (like many people) are falling back on "oh, well Bradley and Trapp" defense although they weren't even mentioned in my post. You're using those two names as a way to justify your position when they legit have nothing to do with Ledezma not being ready for the senior national team or Jozy/Zardes being able to play for a Bundesliga side. Like... seriously.

Pulisic is a different story to Ledezma. By age 17, Pulisic was playing for one of the best teams in Germany. Ledezma, at age 19, is in the 2nd division in Holland. Thats a poor comparison and actually hurts your argument, because it shows that Pulisic at a young age was ready, and Ledezma, although promising, isn't there yet. Pulisic has proven his worth and is the assist leader for Chelsea although he has had limited appearances. But again... Pulisic is playing in the Premier League... not the 2nd division on Holland.

And btw, Ledezma plays for PSV... not Ajax.

bjelks
Post #77
Tuesday October 8, 2019 12:28am

Joined Nov 2012
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There are so many nuances to this thread I would be doing it a disservice by not acknowledging them all.

1) I wouldn't agree that just because Shelton didn't make it in MLS doesn't mean that MLS regulars/ vets could make it in the Bundesliga as a bench player on a relegation team.
There are all time great MLS players like Beckerman and Wondo who I don't believe were competent internationals or good enough to make a relegation Bundesliga bench.
Coaching selections are subjective as evidenced by Gregg, Bruce and Lampard and favor has more to do with preference than actual ability in many situations.
I think Jozy could make a relegation bench, but Zardes I would say no.

2) This convo about who's ready and not ready for full team is a joke considering how low our baseline is, how political selections are, and how close minded our managers are on bringing in new players. 2nd division or not, Ledezma still has clearly more quality than Roldan, Baird, Lttetget, Arriola and Morris.

3) To say Bradley is still in the 23, after how bad he's been the past 2 yrs shows clear fanboy bias.
At his very best, he's been a liability in possession, field coverage, and defense.
Morales clearly looked better, is younger and plays at a higher club level.
D Will also clearly looked better in his last national team appearance.
Pax deserves a shot as well as Keaton.
There is no current metric that proves Bradley should stay be in the 23.

Lastly, we can't say Ledezma hasn't earned it when most of the team hasn't.
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bjelks
Post #78
Tuesday October 8, 2019 12:30am

Joined Nov 2012
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*still be in
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Samtom23
Post #79
Tuesday October 8, 2019 2:05am

Joined Jun 2018
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I can agree Bjelks mostly.

I agree Zardes would not make the bench and Jozy might.

Bradley's biggest attribute is his long passes cross field that find CP and Arriola consistently and with accuracy. But saying that it is time to find new players.

I am hoping Canada beats us because GB doesn't know what he is doing. Tata out coached him by simply switching players sides. And then, Mexico pressed and GB refused to adapt.

I look at tactics and selections and I just feel GB hasn't a clue. But if we do lose to Canada, we very well lose Dest. If we lose Dest, we might use Ledezema. And these players are not too young to play internationally especially because we are talking three years later for 2022. It is time to find and give players experience.

I had more hope with Dave Sacharan than GB.

hamsamwich
Post #80
Tuesday October 8, 2019 12:57pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Pulisic was at Dortmund because he has a European passport, Ledezma couldn't make the move until he was 18. Then missed half a year due to injury. So it's not like he had a chance to be a first team player at the same he age, he literally couldn't. Van Nistlerooy sure believes Ledezma is talented enough for the first team, etc. As fans we have the right to watch games and give an opinion. How is Aaronson more ready than Ledezma?? Using the steps on a ladder analogy, Ledezma has played the u20 World Cup and did well against France, Aaronson hasn't done anything yet. And yet, I love the callup because it's clear watching games he's better than Baird and a few others already. I wait for the magic day Ledezma gets promoted to the first team so for you stat guys he can be a first team talent. He already is a first team talent.

hamsamwich
Post #81
Tuesday October 8, 2019 1:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
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And Jozy is injured again. It's been time to move on. If he can make substitute appearances later on in his career for the USA, fine, but basing our national team around him and not Sargent will continue to be a mistake. Sargent should start both games and let Zardes get minutes off the bench.

hamsamwich
Post #82
Tuesday October 8, 2019 3:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
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The entitled attitude was verbalized by Gulati, continued by the Berhalters. And parroted by guys like @lilshmike. And it's why we didn't qualify last time and are looking suspect to qualify again. The camp cupcake (most important camp for Berhalter so he can teach bums a difficult system then not play new players because they don't know the system...) is scheduled for Qatar, as if we've already qualified. It's very worrisome at best.

Know Nothing
Post #83
Tuesday October 8, 2019 4:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

Again... I can agree on Trapp. Bradley, like it or not, should still be a 23 man roster player. Plain and simple. I don't like it, but thats where we are right now.

Again... you (like many people) are falling back on "oh, well Bradley and Trapp" defense although they weren't even mentioned in my post. You're using those two names as a way to justify your position when they legit have nothing to do with Ledezma not being ready for the senior national team or Jozy/Zardes being able to play for a Bundesliga side. Like... seriously.

Pulisic is a different story to Ledezma. By age 17, Pulisic was playing for one of the best teams in Germany. Ledezma, at age 19, is in the 2nd division in Holland. Thats a poor comparison and actually hurts your argument, because it shows that Pulisic at a young age was ready, and Ledezma, although promising, isn't there yet. Pulisic has proven his worth and is the assist leader for Chelsea although he has had limited appearances. But again... Pulisic is playing in the Premier League... not the 2nd division on Holland.

And btw, Ledezma plays for PSV... not Ajax.


I am beginning to think you are Gregg Berhalter . When I mentioned Trapp and Bradley it was meant as a criticism of Berhalters ability to assess talent or build a team without bias. We have tried Trapp and he has been underwhelming. Bradley has been a good servant but it is time to move on after he has underwhelmed as well. I absolve you of any blame for them nor do I hold their inclusion against you. It is time to try someone else...Ledezma or whoever.

Lilshmike
Post #84
Tuesday October 8, 2019 11:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from hamsamwich

The entitled attitude was verbalized by Gulati, continued by the Berhalters. And parroted by guys like @lilshmike. And it's why we didn't qualify last time and are looking suspect to qualify again. The camp cupcake (most important camp for Berhalter so he can teach bums a difficult system then not play new players because they don't know the system...) is scheduled for Qatar, as if we've already qualified. It's very worrisome at best.
What entitled attitude are you referring to? The one where not every kid who plays in Europe or is on the books for a big name club should get a call up simply because they play overseas or are perceived to have potential?

Thats just common sense and exactly what pretty much every serious national team manager does. Certainly there can be an exception here and there, but by and large, the standard is playing first team football.

For example, the Netherlands wasn't calling on Dest while he was in the 2nd division in Holland or playing for the Ajax youth system. He wasn't even getting looks in the Dutch youth systems. It wasn't until he broke through to the Ajax first team when they started to take notice. That is not coincidence.

Lilshmike
Post #85
Wednesday October 9, 2019 12:24am

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

I am beginning to think you are Gregg Berhalter . When I mentioned Trapp and Bradley it was meant as a criticism of Berhalters ability to assess talent or build a team without bias. We have tried Trapp and he has been underwhelming. Bradley has been a good servant but it is time to move on after he has underwhelmed as well. I absolve you of any blame for them nor do I hold their inclusion against you. It is time to try someone else...Ledezma or whoever.
So when you're mentioning Trapp and Bradley, its used to demonstrate that you feel he does a poor job of selecting the best players, and that he is playing favorites and leaving guys out whom you feel should be included... or in other words, as a way of justifying your position... exactly as I stated.

Again, if people want to harp on Trapp, I totally get it. I'm there with you, I would like to see someone else. If people want to rag on Zardes... totally agree to an extent. He should in no way be a starter for us (unless we have some poor situation where half our striker pool is out due to injury or something), but he has done enough to be a name in the 23 man roster at this point in time. People have to put things into context and realize that his continued inclusion isn't exactly controversial when you look at his numbers in MLS. It is hard to argue against it, plain and simple. And when you compare his stats to the rest of the striker pool... its ridiculous. You can't really knock Zardes too much... other guys in the pool need to step up, and they haven't yet. Thats not on Berhalter, that (for the most part) is on them - I'm talking to you, Bobby Wood.

The issue that continues to occur though is that people highlight some of these names (Zardes, Trapp, Lovitz, whoever), and claim that we need to be calling in kids who are playing on youth and reserve teams in Europe. Thats just flat out ridiculous.

If we want to talk about someone getting called in over Trapp or Roldan... ok. Morales has been hurt and coming back from injury, Holmes same deal, Williams same deal, Nagbe has refused call-ups, Adams is hurt... where does that really leave us right now? Everyone seems to be fed up with Diskerud. So how about Hyndman, Parks, Canouse, Corona? Ok, fair arguments... but where exactly do we have better options who are available right now?

Lovitz? Sure, what about Alvarado or Lichaj? Everyone hated on Villafana (understandably). But where do we exactly have a LB who is doing well somewhere???Fabian Johnson could... but he is done with the national team. I'm a Greg Garza fan, but he can't stay healthy. Antonee Robinson has an argument. CCV, Richards and EPB are CBs, so they don't add credibility to the argument to replace him. Should we go with Brek Shea instead? Outside of that, we really aren't left with too many options unless you take someone who isn't a left back and jam them in left back. Either that, or go all in on Jeremy Toljan or Kik Pierie - which at this point in time doesn't seem to be in the cards.

Baird? Ok, if Green should get a look over him that makes some sense. Or if we want to go for Amon (if healthy). Weah would make sense but he is injured. Outside of that, maybe Picault or Gyau? Who is actually playing first team football at a level at least as high as MLS who plays the AM/Wing role? We aren't left with many options...

The problem is that we lack good enough players... and forcing young kids into the senior team, simply because they show potential or are on the books of a European club, isn't the solution. When they have demonstrated that they can break into the first teams at their clubs, sure. But until then, they should stick with their appropriate age groups in the national team setup.

bjelks
Post #86
Wednesday October 9, 2019 2:02am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

What entitled attitude are you referring to? The one where not every kid who plays in Europe or is on the books for a big name club should get a call up simply because they play overseas or are perceived to have potential?

Thats just common sense and exactly what pretty much every serious national team manager does. Certainly there can be an exception here and there, but by and large, the standard is playing first team football.

For example, the Netherlands wasn't calling on Dest while he was in the 2nd division in Holland or playing for the Ajax youth system. He wasn't even getting looks in the Dutch youth systems. It wasn't until he broke through to the Ajax first team when they started to take notice. That is not coincidence.


Entitled as in just because you play in mls or have been in a previous camp, you will be called from now on no matter how bad you've looked and how much better others have looked.

The Netherlands have been World Cup runner ups, Euro Champs, they have a plethora of world class players, they've had multiple ballon d ‘or winners.
They have never played an mls player in a competitive match.

We're not the Netherlands and if we were we would have the common sense to play our best guys.
With a core full of mls players, we don't have the liberty to wait on a high potential player like a Dest to break at a big club when we knew he was good enough before. We don't play our best guys.

Newsflash, we're not a serious national team and we don't have a serious manager.
We need to be unconventional. This mls core is getting us nowhere.

And for the millionth time, Dutch 2nd division is full of 1st teams.
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bjelks
Post #87
Wednesday October 9, 2019 2:23am

Joined Nov 2012
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Zardes' inclusion is controversial because we all know rec players that are more technical to him.

I don't think ppl are up in arms about youth players, ppl are up in arms about Fabian, Chandler, Holmes, EPB, Alvarado, Green, Gall, D Will, A Robinson, Pomykal, Park, Sonora, Richards.

It's funny how you conveniently use returning from injury as an excuse for selective euro players but it wasn't when Morris, Jozy and Yedlin returned.
And you keep telling us Fab is done, but have no quotes from his mouth.

The fact is you want to hold on to these mls players as long as possible and back ussf. You seem content to use any Excuse to justify them without even assessing possible replacements.
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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #88
Wednesday October 9, 2019 2:42am

Joined Oct 2014
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Original post from Lilshmike

Name calling? Hahaha can you actually tag and highlight exactly in my post where I was name calling? Seems like you're suffering from bjelks syndrome, because not once did I do any name calling.

Again, you're jumping to conclusions on Dest. Yes, I watched. Yes, I too noticed that he had a sour attitude when coming off the field. However, we have no idea what that was about. Was it because he was being subbed and was pissed that Lovitz was coming on in his place (as you have implied)? It could have been because he played pretty poor tbh, and was disappointed with how he had shown. Neither of us know, so this is nothing to complain about because you're getting uptight over something that really isn't worthy of being uptight over.

No, not making any suggestions of Lovits playing over Dest. Haha I didn't even mention his name in my post. And not once did I twist any words of yours... so not sure why you're even bringing that up. It legitimately has nothing to do what anything I referenced and is kind of off topic...

With Trapp and Bradley, I was referencing the statement you made of Bradley passing 3 feet to Trapp. They play the same role and don't play on the field together... so yeah, I called you out on it because it just hasn't happened. If you want to get tight about Trapp being called in, sure I can agree with you on that. But like it or not, Bradley still deserves to be on the roster and should get called in when healthy. Like it or not, and contrary to what a lot of people want and choose to believe, we still lack better players. Thats not Bradley's fault and its not Berhalters. Other guys need to step up in the pool and give no other option to Gregg than to call them in. Right now, that is not the case.

What are you talking about with "something I don't seem to rate"? Like seriously... what are you talking about? You reference that a player plays well for their club and it doesn't translate to the national team... but did you not read my previous post before responding to yours where I specifically called out Roldan (and Lovitz)? Come on now...

And dude... talking about the selections for our future... we are in total agreement. If you read my posts, you will see that. However, where I differ is that I think you should only call in guys that are playing for their club senior teams and have earned it. Right now, a lot of guys that people complain about on this site (and others) have not fully broke into their club senior teams and established themselves as starters at a high levels (higher than MLS), and thus, have not earned it. And again, with a lot of these guys, they aren't going to be starters or big contributors this cycle for the USMNT. People are crying and splitting hairs over bench warmers. When everyone is healthy, we have maybe like 3 or 4 spots on the team that are up for grabs.

What it ultimately comes down to is - and quote me on this because it is a stance I have been consistently making over the last 18 months or so - is that we lack good enough players. People are delusional with respect to our pool. They are searching for the next savior of US Soccer and hoping we have a team filled with Pulisic-type talent... but the reality is we don't. Our team is reflective of the talent of our pool... and it needs to be better.

Putting all of that into context, there really isn't anything much we can complain about because there really aren't better options at the moment who are healthy and available. Thats a hard one to argue against...


You seem to get defensive quickly. New flash people will have different opinions.

So here is where i disagree with you.

1. Our team is reflective of who Greg calls in NOT our POOL. You say guys have not earned a call up. So how did : Lovit, Trapp, Baird, Roldon, Omar, Etc earn it on the INT level. They played in a league that is not what you think it is. There is NO depth, overseas guys like Corey Baird are a dime a dozen in MLS Corey Baird is a rock star and think of it this way-who is the guy that can't beat out CB?

2. Nick Lima didn't start consistently this whole year in MLS, now that is scary. So why was he called in? With your logic shouldn't the guy in front of him been called in? Or is it the guy in front of him on his club isn't international quality but is a good mls player and or fits the guys system. BTW I like Lima but he proves my point that GB selections under your model are not equitable.

3. You list injuries. How did Jordan Morris make the team what 2 games into his comeback from knee surgery?

4. Bench warmers vs saviors: this is why we can not progress you only want to call in someone if they are a savior other wise we can just keep calling mls scrubs. We don't need saviors we need guys who can trap and pass forward. Did you see the touch that holmes had in the box in his limited mins-trapp, Roldon, etc couldn't handle the ball like that EVER. but again in your mind he isn't a consistent started so we will just roll with mls guys.

5. We do not know how our pool is bc we don't see new guys get a chance. Where is Green? Where Pax, Robinson only was brought in bc of injury-he plays better than zimmer. GB is lazy simply put pick the guys you know, the guys whom try hard, and run fast, and say yes sir.

6. in an other post you mention strikers and no one has stepped up to replace zardes. Well Noka was scoring, wooten (don't tell me about how he is doing in mls) Bobby wood gives us more than zardes in his current state. Do you think Gio is better than Zardes in a sub role? I bet he is. but the point we have seen Zardes it is embarrassing he has yet to show us anything

7. I have said it before. Ideally you want guys who are playing consistently but with the state of our team we need to find the most talented guys and or the guys who will be the most ready and able come qualifying. GB picked this 18 yr old, is he ready prob not, do i like the call up yep, lets see where he is, but there are other guys in mls who were more deserving. I think you get lost that we bash MLS but the reality is I would be happy to see younger different MLS guys being called in. One example was this 16yr old kid leyva who filled in for roldon when he was with the nats he looks better than roldon, calling in the same players who have hit their ceiling is no good-we have seen them-lets try newer fringe guys-sure they can be from mls we can not afford to keep bringing the dead weight, hasn't worked.

We could probably field a competitive starting 11 from guys from this forum who could hang with Cuba. It was the perfect chance to try the new guys, bench warmers.

I would rather see the US play the US U23 team
Stoked
db707
Post #89
Wednesday October 9, 2019 3:39am

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from bjelks

Zardes' inclusion is controversial because we all know rec players that are more technical to him.

I don't think ppl are up in arms about youth players, ppl are up in arms about Fabian, Chandler, Holmes, EPB, Alvarado, Green, Gall, D Will, A Robinson, Pomykal, Park, Sonora, Richards.

It's funny how you conveniently use returning from injury as an excuse for selective euro players but it wasn't when Morris, Jozy and Yedlin returned.
And you keep telling us Fab is done, but have no quotes from his mouth.

The fact is you want to hold on to these mls players as long as possible and back ussf. You seem content to use any Excuse to justify them without even assessing possible replacements.


Richards is a youth player. The rest of the guys you mention, throwing names out there randomly as you normally do, let me give some actual context:
- F. Johnson: Currently injured. Whether he's done or not, would be 35 in Qatar.
- Chandler: Hasn't been starting recently, was injured most of last year. One can still make a case for him, but we all know he has underachieved with the USMNT in the past. So I'm not up in arms about him not being there.
- Holmes: Has been in and out of the starting lineup since coming back from injury. With Holmes, as I think he could be a good late game sub for us to spark the offense, I would have invited him.
- EPB: Plays for a mid-table Austrian club, got sent off in his first league game. Has played recently, but leaving him there to settle isn't a problem for me.
- Alvarado: I thought you didn't rate Alvarado? I'd also like to see him get a recall, though I am happy for Miles Robinson to get another look (go Orange).
- Green: He's never going to be the player people thought he could be 5, 6, 7 years ago. That ship has sailed, and highlights the problem of overhyping guys before they've actually made it at senior level. He's a decent 2. Bundesliga player. Could you make a case for him, yes. But his exclusion isn't a travesty.
- Gall: Swedish league sub. Pass.
- D Will: Plays in the Cypriot league. At least is back playing, good for him. But he's played all of 3 games after long-term injury problems. Maybe at least wait until November, see if he can stay healthy that long, then call him over Trappic Cone.
- A. Robinson: Ok option for pace on the left, but plays on a struggling Championship team and looked awful last time he played for the Nats (yes, so did Man of the Match Wil Trapp). I do hope he gets another chance down the line.
- Pomykal: Had a minor injury recently, could go either way but maybe he just wasn't fully fit. We know he's in the mix as he was called last time.
- Parks: Also has been injured recently, missed NYC's last 3 games.
- Sonora: Again, injured. And you've never seen him play.

Lilshmike
Post #90
Wednesday October 9, 2019 5:11am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
Original post from stoked3

You seem to get defensive quickly. New flash people will have different opinions.

So here is where i disagree with you.

1. Our team is reflective of who Greg calls in NOT our POOL. You say guys have not earned a call up. So how did : Lovit, Trapp, Baird, Roldon, Omar, Etc earn it on the INT level. They played in a league that is not what you think it is. There is NO depth, overseas guys like Corey Baird are a dime a dozen in MLS Corey Baird is a rock star and think of it this way-who is the guy that can't beat out CB?

2. Nick Lima didn't start consistently this whole year in MLS, now that is scary. So why was he called in? With your logic shouldn't the guy in front of him been called in? Or is it the guy in front of him on his club isn't international quality but is a good mls player and or fits the guys system. BTW I like Lima but he proves my point that GB selections under your model are not equitable.

3. You list injuries. How did Jordan Morris make the team what 2 games into his comeback from knee surgery?

4. Bench warmers vs saviors: this is why we can not progress you only want to call in someone if they are a savior other wise we can just keep calling mls scrubs. We don't need saviors we need guys who can trap and pass forward. Did you see the touch that holmes had in the box in his limited mins-trapp, Roldon, etc couldn't handle the ball like that EVER. but again in your mind he isn't a consistent started so we will just roll with mls guys.

5. We do not know how our pool is bc we don't see new guys get a chance. Where is Green? Where Pax, Robinson only was brought in bc of injury-he plays better than zimmer. GB is lazy simply put pick the guys you know, the guys whom try hard, and run fast, and say yes sir.

6. in an other post you mention strikers and no one has stepped up to replace zardes. Well Noka was scoring, wooten (don't tell me about how he is doing in mls) Bobby wood gives us more than zardes in his current state. Do you think Gio is better than Zardes in a sub role? I bet he is. but the point we have seen Zardes it is embarrassing he has yet to show us anything

7. I have said it before. Ideally you want guys who are playing consistently but with the state of our team we need to find the most talented guys and or the guys who will be the most ready and able come qualifying. GB picked this 18 yr old, is he ready prob not, do i like the call up yep, lets see where he is, but there are other guys in mls who were more deserving. I think you get lost that we bash MLS but the reality is I would be happy to see younger different MLS guys being called in. One example was this 16yr old kid leyva who filled in for roldon when he was with the nats he looks better than roldon, calling in the same players who have hit their ceiling is no good-we have seen them-lets try newer fringe guys-sure they can be from mls we can not afford to keep bringing the dead weight, hasn't worked.

We could probably field a competitive starting 11 from guys from this forum who could hang with Cuba. It was the perfect chance to try the new guys, bench warmers.

I would rather see the US play the US U23 team
So you couldn't find where I was name calling? Got it.

Again, you're suffering from bjelks syndrome. I've stated multiple times, legitimately in this thread, that I'm not a big fan of Trapp, Zardes, Lovitz, Roldan and Baird and that I totally understand wanting other guys.

Using Lima as an example of GGG playing favorites... yeah, I can agree. But admittedly, he has done well each time hes been in the national team. Every coach has done the same though (had favorites that didnt seem to fit), so this isn't out of the ordinary.

Calling in Morris when he had been out for so long... understandable to think that's odd. But it's not like hes out of place in the national team. Yedlin is in the same boat. But they deserve to be in the national team setup, so it's not controversial.

What are you talking about with me only wanting saviours?? Seriously, what are you talking about? Again... you suffer from bjelks syndrome. I've been extremely clear and consistent in saying that the players have to at least be featuring for their club senior teams at a level at least as good as MLS to be in contention for the national team. That doesn't mean saviour... that means picking actual professionals who play against grown men, not youth team kids who play against other kids. You're trying to insinuate that I'm taking a different stance than that... which if you go back through literally any of my posts it's pretty clear that stance hasn't changed.

Comparing Robjnson to Zimmerman is splitting hairs man. How much do you really watch any of those guys? It's not like foreign teams didnt want Zim. He had looks in Europe but opted to stay in MLS for a fat contract. Understandable. Robinson is a fringe guy right now. That's not controversial, nothing to get upset over, and is pretty accurate with where he is. It's not like Zimmerman will be aged out this cycle... not sure why that's even an issue.

When you pick guys, strikers in particular, you need guys who are playing and scoring. Wood is sitting on the bench in 2 Bundesliga. He has struggled to score goals now for multiple seasons. He absolutely should not be called in until he changes that situation. You want another forward than Zardes? Dude... I totally agree. But it's understandable why Zardes gets called in. Understandable does not mean that I want or support the decision. Your reading comprehension must be an issue because I've consistently stated that. That being said, there are other guys who could be called in over Zardes. Nova was scoring in 2nd division in Holland, which was lower level than MLS. He scored in the 1st division too, and he got called in. Hes in the 2nd division in Italy now, not scoring goals, and bouncing from starting lineup to bench. That's not good enough. Sargent is in the same situation... but in Bundesliga... so it makes sense and hes earned it. Call in Ebobisse, CJ Sapong, Dom Dwyer, Juan Agudelo, Christian Ramirez instead... however, it should be noted that none of those guys have put up the same numbers as Zardes in the same league... and the guys in Europe (other than Sagent) haven't done enough yet to get called in, or aren't playing, or aren't scoring. The bare minimum requirements for someone in that position... and none of our players are meeting them (other than Sargent and Weah of you count him as ST).

The main issue isn't that people bash MLS, it's that they're calling for guys to get called in because they simply play in Europe or are on the books of some big name team. Most people have never even watched these kids play outside of select highlights here and there. Highlights can be cherry picked, and just because someone is on the books for a team in Bundesliga, people (on this site a lot) call for them to get included and freak out when it doesn't happen.. completely ignoring the fact that the guy plays in the 3rd division of Germany on a youth/reserve team.

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