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bjelks
Post #46
Wednesday October 2, 2019 10:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Something else to say
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #47
Thursday October 3, 2019 2:59am

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from bjelks

You don't think Pom, Parks, D Will, Acosta are better than Trapp, Yueill and Bradley?
Is Antonee Robinson or Kyle Duncan better than Lovitz?
Is EPB better than Zimmmerman?
Is Miles Robinson better than Long?
Is Duane Holmes better than Lttetget?
Is Jo Sonora Better than Roldan?
Is Julian Green better than Corey Baird?
Is Roman Gall better than Jordan Morris?
Is Tim Chandler Better than Nick Lima?
Is Nova Better than Zardes?
Is Ledezma better than Arriola?

We don't know because They don't get chances.
So I'm good on hearing there isn't anyone better. Find something to say.


Gall is not better than Morris
Ledezma was called up to the u23's
Nova hasn't shown to be better than Zardes
Holmes is still working his way back into match fitness.
And I would have loved to have see Sonora.

You could make arguments for some of those players.

It's not worth getting all heated about it right now.

blaise213
Post #48
Thursday October 3, 2019 3:35am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,963
Original post from 2tone

Gall is not better than Morris
Ledezma was called up to the u23's
Nova hasn't shown to be better than Zardes
Holmes is still working his way back into match fitness.
And I would have loved to have see Sonora.

You could make arguments for some of those players.

It's not worth getting all heated about it right now.


Disagree on Holmes

Then why is Yedlin called in and Morris was an automatic call up after injury...

blaise213
Post #49
Thursday October 3, 2019 3:36am

Joined Sep 2012
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The USMNT twitter comments are hilarious...

https://mobile.twitter.com/USMNT/status/11794...

hamsamwich
Post #50
Thursday October 3, 2019 12:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
It's definitely worth getting a little heated. I was told these games don't matter by a few of you plenty of times.... well, they do matter and we've missed our chance to turn over the squad. I like that Aaronson was called in to get familiar with the system, but there are more players that should've been called in.

At the end of last year many of us wanted Dest on the gold cup squad when it was obvious he was better than what we have. We were told Jong Ajax didn't count. Ok. Now he's a first team star and we missed our chance. I've defended Roldan a million times and still will but if he's gonna play winger or second forward it's obvious Ledezma is better. So why wait until Ledezma is a first team star at PSV??? Get him in now (like Aaronson) and work him into the fold so that when the day comes (very soon I may add) that he is a first team star at PSV he is ready for Greggs system. Poor planning ahead across all levels from Berhalter.

Also, Trapp again? Guy is awful at Columbus and unnecessary at this point for the USA. Lovitz as well. I'm not bagging on Zardes being there (we saw at the gold cup 2 forwards weren't enough) as an extra guy, but Wil Trapp provides nothing as a replacement for Bradley that the other midfielders can't do. "The big switch" lol. It's nice to have a QB back there but when the guy is immobile and can't pass under pressure we have Ryan Leaf and not Peyton Manning.

hamsamwich
Post #51
Thursday October 3, 2019 12:24pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I'm harping on the midfield because we arent creative enough and are wasting a spot. Against better teams Bradley but especially Trapp has proven to be a liability, whereas against the crappy concacaf teams we have so much of the ball literally anyone could be the 6. I would have enough time to play those passes against Cuba. So with not seeing any other players since last summer break through the team, we are stuck with the less talented players that "understand the system"... I warned you guys about the nepotism and aside from @blaise, was told I was being ridiculous, even though my own brother has worked at soccer house in Chicago and I'm from there and know people. Keep riding for Gregg rather than trying to force change to bring about better soccer in America, but Gregg is a hipster looking dinosaur so he fools many of you.

db707
Post #52
Thursday October 3, 2019 12:46pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
@hamsamwich, does anyone know if Dest would have accepted a Gold Cup call-up that would cap tie him? You're assuming he would have accepted. I just think the situations where a guy who has never played a first team should be called up to the national team are very rare, being on the senior first team should generally be a bare minimum criterion for a call-up in my opinion. Otherwise you're treating a guy who hasn't made it yet as if he's made it, and may actually be hurting his development.

bjelks
Post #53
Thursday October 3, 2019 1:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
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It's not about making it or not making it. It's about calling the best options for your team and creating a culture that pushes others to be better. Dest was better than all our other wing backs before he was first team player. Ledezma is clearly better than Roldan and he's not a first team player.

Some times you have to use your eyes to evaluate players and use some foresight when planning to secure future stars that can change your program.

I don't care how American you feel or don't feel. The USMNT is not an attractive program by any measure and we should be desperate for good players. Losing a player like Dest whether it's not attempting to cap-tie before he made it or putting our best players available around him was a big mistake.
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bjelks
Post #54
Thursday October 3, 2019 1:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
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We've seen a lot of Morris and he's not impressed, he also maxed out at 22.
I'm not sayin Gall is a world beater, but you also don't have to be to be better than Morris.
I ask the question because we haven't seen Gall so we don't know.

Again we know Zardes works hard but his technique is terrible.
And until we give Nova a shot, we won't know
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db707
Post #55
Thursday October 3, 2019 1:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
Original post from bjelks

It's not about making it or not making it. It's about calling the best options for your team and creating a culture that pushes others to be better. Dest was better than all our other wing backs before he was first team player. Ledezma is clearly better than Roldan and he's not a first team player.

Some times you have to use your eyes to evaluate players and use some foresight when planning to secure future stars that can change your program.

I don't care how American you feel or don't feel. The USMNT is not an attractive program by any measure and we should be desperate for good players. Losing a player like Dest whether it's not attempting to cap-tie before he made it or putting our best players available around him was a big mistake.


How are you pushing the kids you call in to be better when you're handing them senior team call-ups before their clubs have even deemed they're ready? You cite Dest, I can cite Olosunde, who was allegedly about to get senior team appearances under Mourinho at Man U, we called him up, now he's in League One, subbed in his last match. We know your eyes that you use to evaluate are googly-eyed for anyone who doesn't play in MLS, including guys who don't start or don't even play.

Samtom23
Post #56
Thursday October 3, 2019 1:59pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 82
Pulisic doesn't play now and he is our best player. I think Adams will surpass CP. Yes, it might be an unfair comparison but it is true. But there is something called competition and edge. I think CP will find his place or asked to traded, if continues but I will leave that for another thread.

Who the hell is pushing Trapp, Baird, Roldan, Arriola, Z-Man?

Why wasn't Trusty, Pomykal, Parks, Glad called in. I limited it MLS guys.

bjelks
Post #57
Thursday October 3, 2019 2:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from db707

How are you pushing the kids you call in to be better when you're handing them senior team call-ups before their clubs have even deemed they're ready? You cite Dest, I can cite Olosunde, who was allegedly about to get senior team appearances under Mourinho at Man U, we called him up, now he's in League One, subbed in his last match. We know your eyes that you use to evaluate are googly-eyed for anyone who doesn't play in MLS, including guys who don't start or don't even play.


How about we push everybody MLS players as well?
We're handing MLS vets that have peaked automatic call ups for being mediocre mls players.
That's not pushing the team to be better.
You're failing to realize that we're not an attractive program so if anyone shows Dest or Ledezma potential we should cap tie them before anyone else wants them.
If they don't turn out, then we lose nothing.
I'm googly eyed for anyone on the verge of breaking through at a big club, playing in a better league than mls, or offering quality that we don't have in a position.
All starting and playing isn't created equal. Pulisic doesn't start or play. Are you telling me he's not good enough?
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hamsamwich
Post #58
Thursday October 3, 2019 2:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
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@db707- I'd say if Man U had a "youth" team playing league one like they do in Germany or Holland or Spain we would've had a better answer on Olusunde, who, it should be pointed out is actually playing well in league one right now for Rotherham. And league one is a good level to get an evaluation at. The USL league one is a decent gauge here in the USA and we've seen what a difference that has made in such a short span of time, the young American players getting to play against adults and not against kids in an academy setup. So in that regard I do think there is a large difference.

hamsamwich
Post #59
Thursday October 3, 2019 2:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
As for Zardes, don't you all see Berhalter keeping him around for qualifying as the backup to Sargent? Jozy inevitably will be injured or not able to play all the games full steam, and Zardes has proven valuable to the coach....

hamsamwich
Post #60
Thursday October 3, 2019 2:44pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
Last year Reggie Cannon would not have been able to break into the Ajax first team either but obviously that doesn't matter.
I asked last year whether Jozy or Zardes could start at Bremen over their talented attackers and the answer is no. They still wouldn't. Does anyone really believe that Lletget or Roldan would start over Bergwijn for PSV? No they wouldn't. So why is Ledezma penalized? He's better than Corey Baird but MLS dinosaur contract system didn't allow for the more talented Ledezma to stay without ending up like Durkin having to go on some weird loan to Belgium. It's infuriating you guys aren't seeing the depth of the reach of the big money people here in the USA. It's sad too.

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