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Post #31
Wednesday October 2, 2019 4:23pm

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Original post from db707

I think the conversations went something like this (with Dest as Sideshow Sergino):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsGoPz4Yajw


😂😂😂

hamsamwich
Post #32
Wednesday October 2, 2019 5:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
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@db707- that was funny.

Did anyone expect him to make a decision on his career at this point? I did not.

I was hoping Alvarado would get a look not least for the fact he would challenge for the spot opposite Tim Ream. I think he's better than Zimmerman at minimum and can play with the ball at his feet better than Miazga or Long too.

Sargent v Cuba ; Jozy v Canada. Anything else would be dumb to me.

blaise213
Post #33
Wednesday October 2, 2019 5:56pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from db707

No Holmes? He's been back longer than Miazga and Yedlin. Whatever at this point, Gregg's gonna Gregg.


At least you got Trapp, Roldan, Baird, Lovitz, Bradley

No wonder why Dest didn't want to come back to play mediocre soccer

db707
Post #34
Wednesday October 2, 2019 6:23pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Roldan has 16 caps and Holmes made more of a (positive) impression in 20 minutes than Roldan has in 16 caps.

Know Nothing
Post #35
Wednesday October 2, 2019 6:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Original post from hamsamwich

Sargent v Cuba ; Jozy v Canada. Anything else would be dumb to me.


I would have to agree, unless it is Sargent starting both matches.

Looking at some of our attacking options does instill me with optimism. I realize Zardes started out as a winger, but a goal every 5.3 matches played is still sparse (same percentage as Arriola). Morris is even worse with a goal every 5.8 matches...though to be fair a lot of his matches were late substitutions. Weston McKennies goal every 5 matches is better.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #36
Wednesday October 2, 2019 6:46pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 324
Beyond stupid 23. At this point, I would guess this represents our WC qualifying 23 (minus Weah/Adams/brooks) no vision for the future

How in the world can we explain guys like: Trapp, Lovitz, Baird, zimmerman, roldon, to guys like: holmes, Sonora, Novak, Robinson, Pomykal, EPB, Cappis, Sabbi, Reyna, gloster, Richards, Mendez, etc Or better MLS guys that could have been chosen.

We are out of time for qualifying based on Greg wanting "continuity" , so seems like greg will call the same players over and over again. What in the world does he see in those guys?

I don't want to hear these guys play well in mls. That maybe true but we have seen countless times they can NOT hang at international level. Its a joke. Who knows if the guys I suggested can hang either-the point is we don't know. But we do know at this point about the above guys. We are playing CUBA-perfect chance to try other players.

Re Destin, I totally understand keeping options open-however its clear his umber 1 choice is Holland. What I didn't care for is it seemed is attitude during his 2 appearances-seemed to be all about him when he came off- I would be mad coming off the pitch too but in your 1 and 2nd cap you should be a tad more gracious and wanting to be part of the team.

That being said-how stupid is Greg-here is a kid who is deciding who to play for, playing on a big club and playing well-and we give him 60 mins and we sub in Lovitz-imagine what was going through Destins head when he sees the caliber of the guys being subbed in.

Im sorry this roster is horrible for the development of US soccer. We wasted a yr on hiring Greg-then on this board it was well he is calling in these guys b.c he knows them, then we had camp cupcake then more friendlies, then gold cup and now this tournament.

How and when do other players get call ups and starts-seem not likely bc the clock is ticking and then we will only call guys who have been in camp and know greg super complicated (cough cough ) system.

I can imagine Greg in practice: Adams you go to right back, Boyd-you pull back away from the attack, then kick it to Bradley, who will pass 3 feet to trapp and then kick to Zardes he will run fast after the ball . aye aye aye

never the less we will beat Canada and cuba and probably in dominate fashion and everyone will believe we are world beaters. Klinsman had it right this will be a waste of our time-we will learn nothing new.
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #37
Wednesday October 2, 2019 7:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
I agree with Alvarado. Would like to see him get called in.

In Roldan's defense, he typically looks pretty solid for Seattle. But candidly, he hasn't appeared to translate his play for the Seattle over to the USMNT. I'd take Nagbe over Roldan, but we're all well aware that Nagbe's been consistently declining call-ups.

Nothing here is surprising and there really are no snubs. Weah, Brooks, Adams, and Morales are all nursing injuries. Who knows with Holmes... its possible that he was thought of/talked to, but passed due to being out with injury and just starting to get back. Either way, his exclusion is not controversial. Everyone knew what was going to happen with Dest.

I'm not a big fan of Baird or Lovitz, but as long as both of those guys are bench options and don't start/get significant minutes, there really is no problem there.

Considering Ream and Lovitz consistently get called in, I'm surprised Lichaj isn't getting more of a shot. Maybe there is stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of.

Pstkeeper
Post #38
Wednesday October 2, 2019 7:11pm

Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts: 14
It absolutely sucks that Ethan Horvath is not being brought in anymore. He has done nothing wrong and is being ostracized by this coach. He had a great season last year and started out this season playing really well. He had no control over Mignolet being brought in and there was not enough time in the summer window to secure a move elsewhere. Is he being punished because he disconnected a tendon in one of his fingers and could not come in for the Gold Cup?

Horvath is doing exactly what we want a keeper to do in order to develop themselves at the highest level. He was part of winning a league Championship with Molde, he played a huge part in winning the Belgian league Championship with Brugge, he has played in 23 Europa League and Champions League qualifiers, group stage games and twice in the round of 32 for Europa League. Horvath has wins against Fenerbahce, Celtic, Ajax, Sevilla and Salzburg. Consecutive shutout draws against Monaco, Dortmund and Atletico Madrid. Last season UEFA named him the keeper for their team 11 of group stage in Champions League. He had two strong games with the National Team against Italy and a very good Chile side. He has faced several challenges and adversity and come through it stronger. Is that not what we want in the development of a keeper so they are tested and ready when it comes time to playing in hostile or uncomfortable environments in important qualifying games?

Is he currently not playing in games, yes, but apparently there is a double standard when it comes to field players. Horvath has not been given enough credit for what he is doing and has accomplished. Is it just possible that Horvath poses the biggest threat to Berhalter's guy Steffen and it's just easier not to call him in?

Know Nothing
Post #39
Wednesday October 2, 2019 7:43pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
I get your point with Horvath, and yes it is probably just easier not to call him for what would amount to a back-up gig.

Lilshmike
Post #40
Wednesday October 2, 2019 7:57pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from stoked3

Beyond stupid 23. At this point, I would guess this represents our WC qualifying 23 (minus Weah/Adams/brooks) no vision for the future

How in the world can we explain guys like: Trapp, Lovitz, Baird, zimmerman, roldon, to guys like: holmes, Sonora, Novak, Robinson, Pomykal, EPB, Cappis, Sabbi, Reyna, gloster, Richards, Mendez, etc Or better MLS guys that could have been chosen.

We are out of time for qualifying based on Greg wanting "continuity" , so seems like greg will call the same players over and over again. What in the world does he see in those guys?

I don't want to hear these guys play well in mls. That maybe true but we have seen countless times they can NOT hang at international level. Its a joke. Who knows if the guys I suggested can hang either-the point is we don't know. But we do know at this point about the above guys. We are playing CUBA-perfect chance to try other players.

Re Destin, I totally understand keeping options open-however its clear his umber 1 choice is Holland. What I didn't care for is it seemed is attitude during his 2 appearances-seemed to be all about him when he came off- I would be mad coming off the pitch too but in your 1 and 2nd cap you should be a tad more gracious and wanting to be part of the team.

That being said-how stupid is Greg-here is a kid who is deciding who to play for, playing on a big club and playing well-and we give him 60 mins and we sub in Lovitz-imagine what was going through Destins head when he sees the caliber of the guys being subbed in.

Im sorry this roster is horrible for the development of US soccer. We wasted a yr on hiring Greg-then on this board it was well he is calling in these guys b.c he knows them, then we had camp cupcake then more friendlies, then gold cup and now this tournament.

How and when do other players get call ups and starts-seem not likely bc the clock is ticking and then we will only call guys who have been in camp and know greg super complicated (cough cough ) system.

I can imagine Greg in practice: Adams you go to right back, Boyd-you pull back away from the attack, then kick it to Bradley, who will pass 3 feet to trapp and then kick to Zardes he will run fast after the ball . aye aye aye

never the less we will beat Canada and cuba and probably in dominate fashion and everyone will believe we are world beaters. Klinsman had it right this will be a waste of our time-we will learn nothing new.
First off, if you're gonna piss and moan about player selections, at least get the names right. Its Dest... not Destin.

Second, the only people you listed off who have a legitimate claim over others called in right now are Holmes, Pomykal, and maybe Robinson. To be frank, Aaronson was called into the position that Pomykal would have occupied, so thats no issue. The kid earned it. Who knows with Holmes considering hes just coming back from injury, and with Cannon, Lima, and Yedlin all called in, one of those guys may very well end up at LB, so a potential snub to Robinson isn't a big deal either.

Next, we have no idea what the situation was for Dest when he was called in. Its very likely that the agreement beforehand was for him to get limited minutes in the games against Mexico and Uruguay. Not trying to defend Berhalter here... but come on man. You legitimately have no idea what was said or agreed to because his dual-national situation was was well documented and known at that point. You really can't complain about that and call Berhalter stupid for subbing him. Doing so makes you look kind of ignorant. Not only that... but lets be honest... Dest didn't exactly look good in those games and played very sub par.

And last thing... I know that people hate that Bradley and Trapp keep getting called in... but can you find a single game where they started together? I personally don't remember ever seeing them start a game beside one another. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Lilshmike
Post #41
Wednesday October 2, 2019 8:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from Pstkeeper

It absolutely sucks that Ethan Horvath is not being brought in anymore. He has done nothing wrong and is being ostracized by this coach. He had a great season last year and started out this season playing really well. He had no control over Mignolet being brought in and there was not enough time in the summer window to secure a move elsewhere. Is he being punished because he disconnected a tendon in one of his fingers and could not come in for the Gold Cup?

Horvath is doing exactly what we want a keeper to do in order to develop themselves at the highest level. He was part of winning a league Championship with Molde, he played a huge part in winning the Belgian league Championship with Brugge, he has played in 23 Europa League and Champions League qualifiers, group stage games and twice in the round of 32 for Europa League. Horvath has wins against Fenerbahce, Celtic, Ajax, Sevilla and Salzburg. Consecutive shutout draws against Monaco, Dortmund and Atletico Madrid. Last season UEFA named him the keeper for their team 11 of group stage in Champions League. He had two strong games with the National Team against Italy and a very good Chile side. He has faced several challenges and adversity and come through it stronger. Is that not what we want in the development of a keeper so they are tested and ready when it comes time to playing in hostile or uncomfortable environments in important qualifying games?

Is he currently not playing in games, yes, but apparently there is a double standard when it comes to field players. Horvath has not been given enough credit for what he is doing and has accomplished. Is it just possible that Horvath poses the biggest threat to Berhalter's guy Steffen and it's just easier not to call him in?
I agree with most of your Horvath points.

I think he is better than Sean Johnson, and definitely one of the top 3 in the pool - likely #2 or potentially 1. If he was starting at Brugge, this would be a big deal. But considering the Mignolet situation, I can somewhat understand why he wasn't called in. Regardless, if he is healthy, he should be included.

He needs to get out of Brugge though ASAP. He is good enough to make it at another team.

Pstkeeper
Post #42
Wednesday October 2, 2019 9:10pm

Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts: 14
Horvath has now established himself at a high level and can't make a move just for the sake of moving. It has to be a step up and a good situation for him. A move like that takes time. Berhalter and Stewart should know that. He only had three and a half weeks at the end of the summer window. Hopefully it happens in the winter window.

He is healthy and training everyday with a Belgian International keeper who played in over 200 games for Liverpool. He is the number 2 and has to keep his level of focus and concentration at a high level. Yesterday he had to be on the ready at the Bernabéu for the game against Real Madrid. Is it the ideal situation? No, but not a reason for Berhalter to disregard him.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #43
Wednesday October 2, 2019 9:46pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 324
Original post from Lilshmike

First off, if you're gonna piss and moan about player selections, at least get the names right. Its Dest... not Destin.

Second, the only people you listed off who have a legitimate claim over others called in right now are Holmes, Pomykal, and maybe Robinson. To be frank, Aaronson was called into the position that Pomykal would have occupied, so thats no issue. The kid earned it. Who knows with Holmes considering hes just coming back from injury, and with Cannon, Lima, and Yedlin all called in, one of those guys may very well end up at LB, so a potential snub to Robinson isn't a big deal either.

Next, we have no idea what the situation was for Dest when he was called in. Its very likely that the agreement beforehand was for him to get limited minutes in the games against Mexico and Uruguay. Not trying to defend Berhalter here... but come on man. You legitimately have no idea what was said or agreed to because his dual-national situation was was well documented and known at that point. You really can't complain about that and call Berhalter stupid for subbing him. Doing so makes you look kind of ignorant. Not only that... but lets be honest... Dest didn't exactly look good in those games and played very sub par.

And last thing... I know that people hate that Bradley and Trapp keep getting called in... but can you find a single game where they started together? I personally don't remember ever seeing them start a game beside one another. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.


lilshmike--Thanks for the name calling. You seem to be condescending to people whom you have a diff opinion than you; not to mature of ya. By the way- im voice texting...I have a real job during the day, I do not take this board as serious as you.

Re DEST-you are right I have no clue what the arrangement was. Rewatch both times he was taken out-he was pissed, cursing, shaking his head, and walking past teammates on the bench- I can draw a conclusion him coming out was not super clear to him and or if it was that is a poor reflection of him as a teammate-which is what i referenced.

It shouldn't matter if he got beat on 1 play-its called experience, if he chooses us he will certainly remember that situation. Are you suggesting with your statements that lovitz should play over him? You see how I can twist words? there is difference between a young player making a mistake and an older player who has hit their celiing and continues to make the same mistake over and over again. Let him make the mistakes now, we need him for qualifying. besides not to many players looked good in those games-but what we did see was his potential, and that starting at ajax at 18 he will most likely continue to improve moreso than lovitz (28) who has zero overseas options and has hit his celiing and has proved nothing in his appearances with the Nats other than he has no place on an Int team.

Re Bradley/Trapp-Its not about them playing together, its about the roster spot they took from other younger and or better players-we need to know if the younger guys can handle this level. We know what we have in traps and bradley. its a waste to bring them-again if your going to be critical of others be sure you understand their point.

Re Snubs--I guess we have different ideas about the player pool. I look towards qualify and then WC-and say who will be the better option then. I believe the guys I listed: EPB, Richards, Robinson have a better ceiling than Zimmerman.

you mentioned Lima (whom I like) but wasn't a regular starter in mls this season he sat the bench alot. But I don't mind him being called in b.c he has showed he can hang at this level. This is something you don't seem to rate. There are guys who will be able to play at this level and guys who can't. Some will play awesome at thier clubs and it won't translate- this season was the opposite lima didn't play outstanding for his club but he certainly played better than lovitz who plays ever mls min. I maintain you can not have 1 standard for calling in players.

You are right there will always be people who don't agree with selections-but these selections do nothing for our future. Guys like: Roldon, zardes, Baird, Trapp, lovitz, will not be able to help us in anyway in WC qualifying-maybe roldon could be a decent back up but is really questionable-so with that said i believe it is a waste to keep calling them in.
Stoked
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #44
Wednesday October 2, 2019 10:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,445
Everyone has an opinion. I'm not really that happy seeing stale faces still like Trapp and Lovitz, but there really isn't anyone better right now. Adams is injured, Weah is injured, Brooks is injured, Antonee Robinson has been in and out of form.

I really like the inclusion of Aaronson and hope to see Pomykal back in at some point.

We have to realize that right now that player pool is not as talent deep as we would like it to be.

bjelks
Post #45
Wednesday October 2, 2019 10:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
You don't think Pom, Parks, D Will, Acosta are better than Trapp, Yueill and Bradley?
Is Antonee Robinson or Kyle Duncan better than Lovitz?
Is EPB better than Zimmmerman?
Is Miles Robinson better than Long?
Is Duane Holmes better than Lttetget?
Is Jo Sonora Better than Roldan?
Is Julian Green better than Corey Baird?
Is Roman Gall better than Jordan Morris?
Is Tim Chandler Better than Nick Lima?
Is Nova Better than Zardes?
Is Ledezma better than Arriola?

We don't know because They don't get chances.
So I'm good on hearing there isn't anyone better. Find something to say.
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