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skangles
DC
Post #136
Saturday October 12, 2019 4:00am

Joined Jan 2013
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Also we need to talk about Pulisic taking set pieces. I mean I don't get it. He offers so much to this team but his service from dead balls, especially corners, isn't great. So many squandered opportunities tonight that weren't even remotely threatening.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #137
Saturday October 12, 2019 6:16am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,445
I actually believe Morris is getting better. His crossing and passing is getting better and he has become so calm in front of goal. People forget he lost almost two years worth of development as a professional soccer player with constant injuries. I am very pleased with how well he has played this year for Seattle and the US. People hate that he turned down Bremen for Seattle. Oh well.

Samtom23
Post #138
Saturday October 12, 2019 8:04am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I think we will see GB first choice line up on Tuesday

Zardes

CP. Roldan McKennie Morris

Bradley

Robinson Ream Miazga Cannon

Steffen

bjelks
Post #139
Saturday October 12, 2019 1:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Shouldn't Morris be able to complete uncontested passes with no pressure?
Literally any college player can do what Morris did last night.
There's not one game against good competition where Morris has kept the ball under pressure and completed line breaking passes.
I've also never seen Morris cut in and beat a defender or cut in and score a goal from range.
I don't see why we should praise players for looking competent doing basic things against terrible competition.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #140
Saturday October 12, 2019 2:31pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 867
Original post from 2tone

I actually believe Morris is getting better. His crossing and passing is getting better and he has become so calm in front of goal. People forget he lost almost two years worth of development as a professional soccer player with constant injuries. I am very pleased with how well he has played this year for Seattle and the US. People hate that he turned down Bremen for Seattle. Oh well.


Yep, Tyler Boyd struggled to get behind the defense the way that Morris did on a consistent basis. I know when I injured my knee it was a full year and 1/2 before it was 100% healed despite being back to running etc after 6 months. It looks like Morris is back to 100%, he is looking very dangerous at club level too.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #141
Saturday October 12, 2019 3:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,445
Original post from bjelks

Shouldn't Morris be able to complete uncontested passes with no pressure?
Literally any college player can do what Morris did last night.
There's not one game against good competition where Morris has kept the ball under pressure and completed line breaking passes.
I've also never seen Morris cut in and beat a defender or cut in and score a goal from range.
I don't see why we should praise players for looking competent doing basic things against terrible competition.


That's your opinion. Shit Pulisic struggled against Cuba last night. Does that make him worst than a college player? No. Players struggle at times.

bjelks
Post #142
Saturday October 12, 2019 4:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Pulisic didn't have anything to do. I wouldn't say he struggled.
I can't give credit for Morris being no better than me on the ball.
We've seen Pulisic turn and blow by top class players.
We've never seen Morris do the same.
The standard for the national team has to be higher than hitting accurate crosses under 0 pressure with no defensive responsibility
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Lilshmike
Post #143
Saturday October 12, 2019 6:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,270
Original post from bjelks

Pulisic didn't have anything to do. I wouldn't say he struggled.
I can't give credit for Morris being no better than me on the ball.
We've seen Pulisic turn and blow by top class players.
We've never seen Morris do the same.
The standard for the national team has to be higher than hitting accurate crosses under 0 pressure with no defensive responsibility
What standard is that? The one where you call up youth and reserve team players in Europe, simply because they play in Europe?

db707
Post #144
Saturday October 12, 2019 6:43pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from Lilshmike

What standard is that? The one where you call up youth and reserve team players in Europe, simply because they play in Europe?


Or just look so much more talented than anyone in MLS while dribbling around a cone in the Swedish league pre-match warmups he obviously watches.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #145
Saturday October 12, 2019 9:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 867
Original post from 2tone

That's your opinion. Shit Pulisic struggled against Cuba last night. Does that make him worst than a college player? No. Players struggle at times.


I just stopped responding to him. Like a stray cat if you feed a troll it just keeps coming back.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #146
Saturday October 12, 2019 11:08pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 324
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I just stopped responding to him. Like a stray cat if you feed a troll it just keeps coming back.


Its weird that everyone bags on @bjelks -he has a very valid point.

That doesn't mean @2tone point isn't valid as well. That is the problem with playing games like Cuba.

I said on here prior to the game, I think we could take all of us on this forum and put us in the starting 11, and we could have competed against Cuba.

So we can't get to high on morris performance. @bjelks point was some of his crosses were off, yes some were good, but when you are playing a rec team like Cuba we shouldn't get to high the performance for players like Morris, BUT I do think Morris is in good form and I hope he can keep it up, it will be more exciting if he can play like this against mexico or teams of that caliber. What he did well was to find the space, his speed looks to be back, if he can work on his technical side he could play overseas and really develop,

So with games like this with veterans we don't learn to much. That is why I was up in arms about the roster. These games are PERFECT for younger unproven players.

@lilmike thinks we should play mls guys every game until someone pushes them out. That is a poor mans strategy-you have to think outside of the box, try younger guys, to expand the pool and create a more competitive environment. Sure you want guys who are playing week in and out on senior teams. But we are not Brazil, Spain etc

There are better options in MLS to get called in. Paxton is a good example-who do you think has a higher ceiling Paxton or Roldon?

So it is not just picking overseas guys I want GB to call in different younger MLS players-its just lazy we seem to bring the same guys in.

For example, it was reported today Manchester City is scouting Gio and want him back. how many teams like that are tracking guys like, Trapp, Roldon, Zardes, Baird,

We have to realize at some point we need to try something new. Make fun of the overseas guys all you want but good on them for trying to better themselves.

There is clearly a bias in US soccer. We have guys corey Baird instead of Julian Green-come on. It seems like it so much easier for average mls players to get called in than overseas guys.

really the only thing we learned this game was J Yeuill has potential and we should never see Trapp again. So case in point we should have had a young unproven roster so we could learn who has potential and who does not.

That doesn't make you a troll-but at this point we have seen the same guys get called in over and over--so yes morris played good, I was happy to see that, but we can't get overly exciting about it, the only people that helped themselves in this game were Jackson Y.
Stoked
bjelks
Post #147
Saturday October 12, 2019 11:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Original post from Lilshmike

What standard is that? The one where you call up youth and reserve team players in Europe, simply because they play in Europe?


The standard is competent for your position for the international level. Wingers should be able to get behind and cut in.

6s should be able to cover ground, break up play, win duals, defend in space.

CBs should be able to defend 1v1.

10s should be able to turn under pressure, drive through the midfield, play runner in to goal.

I'm asking for the basic qualities of the position. It's very problematic when you accept anyone because they're mls vets and don't question if we can do better when we're not doing well as is.
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bjelks
Post #148
Saturday October 12, 2019 11:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,347
Original post from db707

Or just look so much more talented than anyone in MLS while dribbling around a cone in the Swedish league pre-match warmups he obviously watches.


Here's the problem, we've seen the mls vets. None of them have impressed. You're telling me that you're not even interested in seeing if anyone else is better. This is why we're trash!
No other competitive nation in the world loses competitive matches and doesn't ask questions
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db707
Post #149
Sunday October 13, 2019 1:36am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from bjelks

Here's the problem, we've seen the mls vets. None of them have impressed. You're telling me that you're not even interested in seeing if anyone else is better. This is why we're trash!
No other competitive nation in the world loses competitive matches and doesn't ask questions


The problem is you just advocate for anyone else regardless of whether they're even playing first team soccer, regardless of anything they've done on the field recently, or whether you've even seen them play, just some vague notion you have of their talent level that's often belied by their club standing. I'm not in favor of just replacing guys who haven't earned their spots with other guys who haven't earned their spots.

Samtom23
Post #150
Sunday October 13, 2019 4:29am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
We have seen the MLS and the European vets as well. Our four best players are young. Go ahead and name European based and MLS players that are younger, you would've liked to seen.

MLS. European

Bradley Parks. Ledezema

Zardes. Lewis Novakovich

Ream. Trusty Hines-Ike

Lovitz Real Gloster

Lima. Marco Farfan Robinson

Baird Mason Toye. Soto

Trapp. Pomykal. Reyna

Roldan. Hyndman. Scott

I would've called in Gloster when Dest said no. Probably not ready but the cupboard is bare for LBs. Also, would've called in Ledezema as a sweetener for Dest.

Also, I think Sargent needs competition. Zardes isn't really competition

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