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navi8132
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Post #1
Thursday July 25, 2019 12:54am

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Read the whole chain.

https://twitter.com/ULlanez/status/1154177360...

navi8132
New York
Post #2
Thursday July 25, 2019 12:55am

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Still barely any communication with our dual nationals.

Live490
Texas
Post #3
Thursday July 25, 2019 1:46am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
If they have doubts, too bad. Where is that Gonzalez from MTY guy now? We have many players coming up the ranks wishing to rep USA..

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #4
Thursday July 25, 2019 4:24am

Joined Jul 2012
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I'm really not concerned. They will choose who they choose. I hope they turn into great USMNT players, but we can't control who they choose.

Know Nothing
Post #5
Thursday July 25, 2019 5:40am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,634
I agree with 2tone.

The best we can do is assess the players, how they fit in our scheme, and be genuine with them about their chances. I believe cap tying a player just to do it and never call the player again sets a bad precedent and people will think twice about choosing us.

Lilshmike
Post #6
Thursday July 25, 2019 2:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,195
Original post from Live490

If they have doubts, too bad. Where is that Gonzalez from MTY guy now? We have many players coming up the ranks wishing to rep USA..
Exactly.

Lilshmike
Post #7
Thursday July 25, 2019 2:23pm

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Total Posts: 1,195
Not only that, but he is 17. You have no idea how this kid is going to pan out at 17. His statement that he hasn't heard anything yet from the top of US Soccer and/or Berhalter... well no crap. Hes 17. He would hear from the coach for his appropriate age group first... not the head coach of the senior team.

Stay in your lane.

Samtom23
Post #8
Thursday July 25, 2019 5:25pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 63
Hey Lilshmike,

Players are debuting younger. A simple phone call saying keep up the good work, etc. Would be part of his job. Think of college football and the recruiting process. And maybe the kid pans out, maybe he doesn't. You think Nick Saban things Alabama is so important he isn't calling kids?

GB oversees the program. I'd like to think players other than Trapp, Gonzalez and Zardes is in his contact list. And players that show promise can easily be reached out to.

bjelks
Post #9
Thursday July 25, 2019 5:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,260
Most of the Gold Cup roster was 25-30 and they still haven't panned out, yet Berhalter called them anyway lol.
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db707
Post #10
Thursday July 25, 2019 6:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 978
Original post from bjelks

Most of the Gold Cup roster was 25-30 and they still haven't panned out, yet Berhalter called them anyway lol.


First, you're wrong (shocking) to say most of the Gold Cup roster was 25-30 (even if you include the 31 year olds it was 11 of 23 guys 25 or older). Second, we're talking guys who haven't even made a senior first team yet (or have limited experience like Araujo) v. guys who are full professional soccer players.

If Araujo wants a U.S. callup, prove it on the field with the Galaxy. If Llanez wants one, make the Wolfsburg senior team. Don't whine (or have your parents whine) or play games in the media.

Lilshmike
Post #11
Thursday July 25, 2019 6:51pm

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Original post from db707

First, you're wrong (shocking) to say most of the Gold Cup roster was 25-30 (even if you include the 31 year olds it was 11 of 23 guys 25 or older). Second, we're talking guys who haven't even made a senior first team yet (or have limited experience like Araujo) v. guys who are full professional soccer players.

If Araujo wants a U.S. callup, prove it on the field with the Galaxy. If Llanez wants one, make the Wolfsburg senior team. Don't whine (or have your parents whine) or play games in the media.
Exactly

Lilshmike
Post #12
Thursday July 25, 2019 7:07pm

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Total Posts: 1,195
Original post from Samtom23

Hey Lilshmike,

Players are debuting younger. A simple phone call saying keep up the good work, etc. Would be part of his job. Think of college football and the recruiting process. And maybe the kid pans out, maybe he doesn't. You think Nick Saban things Alabama is so important he isn't calling kids?

GB oversees the program. I'd like to think players other than Trapp, Gonzalez and Zardes is in his contact list. And players that show promise can easily be reached out to.
Sorry, but you're kinda off base here.

We're talking about a 17 year old kid, with very limited professional experience, playing a position (RB) where we already have at least 3 players in from of him at the moment who will be in the frame and contributing for likely the next 2 cycles.

Just because a 17 year old gets in a professional match and makes a debut, does not mean that the head coach of the USMNT needs to give him a personalized phone call to say "keep up the good work". With more and more kids debuting at these young ages, that becomes an unrealistic expectation of the head coach.

And its not like hes debuting for Real Madrid or Juventus. If that was the case, you may have a point. But he plays for the LA Galaxy. And he has been in the youth national team setup... where he belongs at this point in time.

As db707 put it, if he wants a USMNT callup he should prove it on the field with the Galaxy, without personally (or through parents) whining or playing games in the media... especially when, all things considered, he hasn't done anything yet at the professional level to even warrant consideration for the senior national team.

I appreciate your analogy with the college football recruiting process, but that very much is an apples to oranges comparison with the process of getting dual-national soccer players to decide which national team they want to represent. It is completely and totally different.

cudevil
Post #13
Thursday July 25, 2019 8:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
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So let's assume that Mexico keeps regular contact, Araujo proves he's worth a call up on the field. The US, who hasn't remained in contact, offers a call up, along with Mexico. He goes with Mexico because they did the work to keep him interested.

Sorry, but I shake my head at folks that think we shouldn't be trying to encourage him to stay with the US set up, particularly when he's made his debut with his senior club side, even if that means Berhalter gives him a buzz. How long would that take? 5 minutes? "Hey Julian, just wanted to say I like what I've seen. Keep it up, and maybe we'll see you in camp in the future." Done.

Getting young dual nationals to commit to the setup is just like recruiting in college sports. You have to stroke their ego a bit and make sure that they know you're interested throughout. It's part of the gig.

Lilshmike
Post #14
Thursday July 25, 2019 9:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,195
Original post from cudevil

So let's assume that Mexico keeps regular contact, Araujo proves he's worth a call up on the field. The US, who hasn't remained in contact, offers a call up, along with Mexico. He goes with Mexico because they did the work to keep him interested.

Sorry, but I shake my head at folks that think we shouldn't be trying to encourage him to stay with the US set up, particularly when he's made his debut with his senior club side, even if that means Berhalter gives him a buzz. How long would that take? 5 minutes? "Hey Julian, just wanted to say I like what I've seen. Keep it up, and maybe we'll see you in camp in the future." Done.

Getting young dual nationals to commit to the setup is just like recruiting in college sports. You have to stroke their ego a bit and make sure that they know you're interested throughout. It's part of the gig.
You're basing this off an assumption that may or may not be true. Did he say that Tata Martino called him? No. Maybe I'm wrong, and I will admit if I am, but I'm willing to bet money he hasn't. He only said that he would go to where the opportunity would come. Right now, thats with the US (because he is in the youth setup).

We know for a fact though that he has been in contact with the youth NT staff because he is involved in the youth US setup. Maybe the Mexican youth national team has been in contact. We don't know, but he is with the US right now, so that is somewhat telling, is it not?

Again... is it the job of the senior national team manager to call every 17 year old who has a pro debut and say, "keep it up"? No, absolutely not. With more and more kids getting pro minutes at young ages, this would become an unrealistic expectation and nearly impossible to manage with his other duties. Its not the senior national team manager's job to do that... its the youth national team manager for the kids age group (which we know for a fact has happened because he is in the youth national team setup).

What you're seeming to imply also is that this needs to be done specifically for dual-nationals in order to keep them interested in the US program and possibly choose us later on down the road instead of their alternative. So what, is our manager supposed to focus strictly on dual-nationals, giving preferential treatment to them when they cross a simple milestone (meanwhile still being nowhere near at the level required for consideration for the senior national team)? That pretty much neglects the kids who aren't dual-nationals, which is unfair to them and would likely lead to those players harboring ill feelings towards those who got special treatment.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be encouraging kids to stay with the US setup if they have other options. I'm saying that its not the job of the senior manager to give phone calls to every kid who makes his pro debut who is US eligible - especially when that kid is nowhere near the level required for the senior national team.

Again, it would be different if the kid made his debut and started getting consistent minutes for a major club like Tottenham or Inter Milan or Borussia Dortmund. But that is not the case here. Its the LA Galaxy. This honestly shouldn't even be a debate yet. Now if Araujo went through the MLS season, was named to be one of the best RBs in the league and proved over the course of many months that he was cut for the senior game either right now, or was showing glimpses of being ready to make an impact in the short term future... then yeah, sure. But again, that is not the case (and thats before pointing out that there are at least 3 other options in front of him who are young and will likely be with the USMNT for the next 2 cycles). So again, this shouldn't even be a debate.

And again, I appreciate the college recruiting analogy, but this is not the same. It is apples to oranges. It is not the same thing.

bjelks
Post #15
Thursday July 25, 2019 9:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,260
Original post from db707

First, you're wrong (shocking) to say most of the Gold Cup roster was 25-30 (even if you include the 31 year olds it was 11 of 23 guys 25 or older). Second, we're talking guys who haven't even made a senior first team yet (or have limited experience like Araujo) v. guys who are full professional soccer players.

If Araujo wants a U.S. callup, prove it on the field with the Galaxy. If Llanez wants one, make the Wolfsburg senior team. Don't whine (or have your parents whine) or play games in the media.


Oh get your panties out of a bunch, I'm talking shit. But that's a lot of washed or low ceiling players to be the bar for your program if you want to have any ambition. We should feel sorry that CP, Mckennie and Boyd had to deal with this.
We're still giving too much credit to guys for being MLS vets.
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