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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #286
Thursday September 12, 2019 2:39am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 851
Original post from camparkinson

really slow terrible game... midfield was bad, attackers were bad... only Morris seemed to want to try things... Lleget was ok I guess.

Dest looks like a typical young player, good going forward but not ready to be a lock down defender... I really think he could have been the best winger on the USA roster today had he been tried there. I also thought he looked more comfortable on the ball under pressure than all of our CMs... he woulda been better than Roldan... no clue why he's still around...

Can't believe Boyd missed that goal, he looks totally lost...

Again we're losing 1-0 and here comes LOVITZ!! and why the hell are you subbing on Pomykal as a winger with only 5 minutes left?!

I was hopeful and optimistic about berhalter when he was hired but now am really worried for this program...

I'm depressed right now... and watch Cuba and Canada give us problems next month... sheesh....


Last I checked Uruguay is the 5th ranked team in the world. We tied them and controlled much of the game. I know that was a Uruguay B team but you don't think we were playing our starters do you? This was a much better game than the Mexico game. Still miffed about Mexico but not all doom and gloom like everyone else on here.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #287
Thursday September 12, 2019 2:45am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,417
And Mexico got smacked by Argentina 4-0. What do international friendlies really tell us? IMO not much. Im done focusing on results. I agree with Berhalter. Let the process of finally playing with the ball take root. I'm going to focus on how the team plays, and it's progress. There is a lot of progress to make. And I am excited to see more players get opportunities in the near future. I.e Toye, Aaronson. And get Adams, Brooks, and Weah back involved. Also Amon is healthy again.

blaise213
Post #288
Thursday September 12, 2019 4:04am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,983
Original post from 2tone

And Mexico got smacked by Argentina 4-0. What do international friendlies really tell us? IMO not much. Im done focusing on results.


Naw man, The US team under Berhalter is garbage soccer. He has no clue on what he's doing and his roster selections are atrocious. There's no reason Zardes, Trapp, Roldan should get called up I still have no idea who the hell Baird or Lovitz are. Go look at the USMNT twitter, MLS boards, everyone wants him fired.

I think we have the talent in Europe but calling up 17 MLS players on the roster is beyond ridiculous.

Samtom23
Post #289
Thursday September 12, 2019 2:09pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 104
GB isn't going to fires anytime soon. I imagine Gregg calling his bro, Jay in July of 2019. That call goes like this.

‘Yo, Jay. It's Gregg. Fans are bitching that I keep calling in Trapp and Zardes and a slew of players that no one likes but me. But these guys are good. I swear. They know the system.

Oh, yeah, Jay. I found a mansion in Chicago. I know we haven't looked good but you going to fire me or is it safe to buy the house?'

JB, ‘Gregg, I am your bro. Dan Flynn is going to retire soon and I will run the show. Think I would fire my bro? No way! So buy it! And Gregg, get Trapp to be the elf at our Berhalter Christmas again. My wife loves him in the elf costume.'

Sorry for the nonsense. But In reality, I don't think will be fired because of his family connections.

db707
Post #290
Thursday September 12, 2019 8:17pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,003
Original post from blaise213

Naw man, The US team under Berhalter is garbage soccer. He has no clue on what he's doing and his roster selections are atrocious. There's no reason Zardes, Trapp, Roldan should get called up I still have no idea who the hell Baird or Lovitz are. Go look at the USMNT twitter, MLS boards, everyone wants him fired.

I think we have the talent in Europe but calling up 17 MLS players on the roster is beyond ridiculous.


What talent in Europe? I don't like Berhalter as a coach, but who are these mysterious professional soccer players (don't give me De La Fuente or some other kid who isn't a senior pro yet) that would make us so much better? Do you mean the likes of Romain Gall who washed out of MLS and mostly sits the bench in Sweden?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #291
Friday September 13, 2019 5:23am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 851
Original post from blaise213

Naw man, The US team under Berhalter is garbage soccer. He has no clue on what he's doing and his roster selections are atrocious. There's no reason Zardes, Trapp, Roldan should get called up I still have no idea who the hell Baird or Lovitz are. Go look at the USMNT twitter, MLS boards, everyone wants him fired.

I think we have the talent in Europe but calling up 17 MLS players on the roster is beyond ridiculous.


The Euro based guys played about the same as the MLS guys did. You already admitted that you didn't watch the game. Really who cares who was called up as long as they can play.

Samtom23
Post #292
Friday September 13, 2019 6:39am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 104
There are better options than Trapp, Zardes, Roldan, Baird, Lovitz.

Sergeant, Soto, Reyna, Hines-Ike, maybe Luca De La Torre, Indiana Vasillez, Nick Taitague, Chris Richards, Marlon Fossey, Novakovich, Kyle Scott, Gall

In the press conference after the Mexico loss. He says he is about developing the player but who has he worked with the most? Zardes and Trapp that's not a great body of work.

And when will he try a midfielder other than Trapp. He is relying on Adams to save his ass but he needs to actually develop other players

blaise213
Post #293
Friday September 13, 2019 7:28am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,983
Original post from Kamphgruppe

The Euro based guys played about the same as the MLS guys did. You already admitted that you didn't watch the game. Really who cares who was called up as long as they can play.


If you put in Euro based players with shit MLS players then you'll get no fluidity and shit soccer.

Put in 3 D league NBA players with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and watch how shitty the Warriors would play.. Same concept with soccer!!!

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #294
Friday September 13, 2019 7:32am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,516
Let GB do his thing.

He's actually trying to do what every US coach has said they were going to do but abandoned...try to play real ball. We have the talent in the pipeline now to pull it off given time...and he has plenty of time to increase the performance...the qualies are a freaking year away...we're going to take some lumps along the way. And no, he isn't going to stick with guys like Zardes. GB is bringing in some quality younger players Sargent, Pomykal, Robinson...Yueill, Cannon, Dest. He'll slowly upgrade the roster. He'll fast track a few players and this thing will start to really take shape. He's doing a great job bringing in new talent. Everyone assumed Trapp would get the start but he took a flyer on Yueill...which I would have rather seen him as an 8

He could easily play Dest and Lima as flank mids and they'd do as good or better than just about anybody we have playing there...except for Pulisic.

Everyone wants immediate results...not going to happen in the short term versus quality teams. My gut feeling is were going to fine to very good in a year or so.

blaise213
Post #295
Friday September 13, 2019 8:24am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,983
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Everyone wants immediate results...not going to happen in the short term versus quality teams. My gut feeling is were going to fine to very good in a year or so.


Naw brother, we can get better results if they stopped calling up 17 MLS players to the squad. Majority of the players are garbage.

If I wasn't so tired, Id list the players that are ready

db707
Post #296
Friday September 13, 2019 1:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,003
Original post from blaise213

Naw brother, we can get better results if they stopped calling up 17 MLS players to the squad. Majority of the players are garbage.

If I wasn't so tired, Id list the players that are ready


Nice delay tactic, gives you time for those players to graduate kindergarten.

db707
Post #297
Friday September 13, 2019 2:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,003
Original post from Samtom23

There are better options than Trapp, Zardes, Roldan, Baird, Lovitz.

Sergeant, Soto, Reyna, Hines-Ike, maybe Luca De La Torre, Indiana Vasillez, Nick Taitague, Chris Richards, Marlon Fossey, Novakovich, Kyle Scott, Gall

In the press conference after the Mexico loss. He says he is about developing the player but who has he worked with the most? Zardes and Trapp that's not a great body of work.

And when will he try a midfielder other than Trapp. He is relying on Adams to save his ass but he needs to actually develop other players


Sargent was called up and played. Soto has barely played in 2. Bundesliga so far this season. De La Torre same with Fulham. Taitague, Richards, Fossey, these guys are youth team players. Really the only player you list who may have a case is Hines-Ike. I seriously doubt you have seen most of the Europe-based guys you listed actually play.

Lilshmike
Post #298
Friday September 13, 2019 3:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,260
Original post from Samtom23

There are better options than Trapp, Zardes, Roldan, Baird, Lovitz.

Sergeant, Soto, Reyna, Hines-Ike, maybe Luca De La Torre, Indiana Vasillez, Nick Taitague, Chris Richards, Marlon Fossey, Novakovich, Kyle Scott, Gall

In the press conference after the Mexico loss. He says he is about developing the player but who has he worked with the most? Zardes and Trapp that's not a great body of work.

And when will he try a midfielder other than Trapp. He is relying on Adams to save his ass but he needs to actually develop other players
I'm going to be blunt, with the names you listed it makes you seem like someone who just recently started following the USMNT and just looked up a bunch of names of players who play on teams in Europe.

There are so many things that could be said about a list of random youth, reserve, bench, and second tier players in Europe that I'm gonna pass on addressing each one of them...

Not only that, but you're complaining about a CDM, LB, and 2 attacking guys... then listed off Hines-Ike and Richard's who are both CBs and Fossey who is a RB.

If you're going to make the claim that we have better options, at least try to start by listing off guys who play the same position...

cudevil
Post #299
Friday September 13, 2019 4:58pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 982
Original post from db707

Sargent was called up and played. Soto has barely played in 2. Bundesliga so far this season. De La Torre same with Fulham. Taitague, Richards, Fossey, these guys are youth team players. Really the only player you list who may have a case is Hines-Ike. I seriously doubt you have seen most of the Europe-based guys you listed actually play.


A couple that I think should have gotten a look are Sabbi and Cappis at least. And I would also be taking guys like Nova and Soto over Zardes ( And I really don't even rate either that highly)-I don't care how much either have played lately. We know Zardes can't play at the international level. It's just that Zardes shouldn't be called in any longer.

Even though he had just returned from injury, the only way I wouldn't have brought Holmes in is if Derby specifically requested that he be allowed to stay with the team. To say we are lacking at CAM is one of the understatements of the year. We need guys like him-and he needs to start to see whether that's his best role or whether the super sub is a better fit for him.

And once the U17 WC is over, I'd bring in Reyna just to get him used to being around the senior team and the second he started making the bench and getting spot minutes with Dortmund's senior side, he'd be playing for the Nats. I'd be doing the same with kids like Pepi.

Even though the specific context was Euro based players, I'd be pushing hard to get Alvarez to come in and play him with the senior team (although it appears he favors playing for El Tri). He's now getting consistent first team run with LAG. No reason not to consider him. Same for Busio. I know each is very young, but they're currently playing against men.

For me, I am not seeing any progress whatsoever and really haven't seen any since the T&T debacle. Closest thing to progress might have been the Portugal game in November, '17. Friendlies or not, most every other showing has been straight trash. Playing dead-enders like Zardes, Trapp, and to a slightly lesser extent Roldan, just deepens the rut. It would have been easier to swallow getting blasted by Mexico if guys like Sargent, Pomykal, Robinson, and even Yueill got the lion's share of the minutes.

It was absolutely criminal how Berhalter used Pomykal. Just calling him in to get used to the set up was stupid. He's been around the youth teams a lot and he's getting consistent first team minutes with FCD. Play him. We don't need to give minutes to Trapp and Roldan.

cudevil
Post #300
Friday September 13, 2019 5:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 982
Original post from db707

Sargent was called up and played. Soto has barely played in 2. Bundesliga so far this season. De La Torre same with Fulham. Taitague, Richards, Fossey, these guys are youth team players. Really the only player you list who may have a case is Hines-Ike. I seriously doubt you have seen most of the Europe-based guys you listed actually play.


By the way, one thing I don't understand is that elsewhere, you suggest that you might take a hiatus from the Nats because of the 2 year string of bottom of the barrel performances in conjunction with (what I believe you perceive to be) very questionable hiring decisions with the likes of Berhalter. At the same time, you are clearly not in favor of calling anyone in that hasn't made a senior team debut at the club level. I can understand that sentiment to a certain extent, but doesn't something have to give here? Who would you rather see called in? Or is it that you think GB is taking a player pool and making it worse?

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