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Samtom23
Post #196
Tuesday August 20, 2019 8:38am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 46
I can agree with having friendlies in Europe but training facility and accommodation is the tricky part. I can think of a few ideas to address that.

bjelks
Post #197
Tuesday August 20, 2019 4:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
My current best 23 for September with alternates in parenthesis.
GK: Steffen, Horvath, IDC
FB: Yedlin (Richards), Cannon, Brooks (Robinson or Hines-Ike), Long (CCV), Miazga, Zman (EPB), Dest, A Robinson
MF: Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams (Morales), Holmes, Green, Pomykal, Boyd, Sonora, Gall
FWD: Sarg, Arjo, Weah

Now that team could make a run for the ‘22 Semis.
This isn't including Llaynez, Ledezma, Mendez, Reyna, Cajuste (eligibility), Soto, Gloster emerging.
Very exciting times
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Philip
Post #198
Tuesday August 20, 2019 5:29pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 32
Original post from bjelks

My current best 23 for September with alternates in parenthesis.
GK: Steffen, Horvath, IDC
FB: Yedlin (Richards), Cannon, Brooks (Robinson or Hines-Ike), Long (CCV), Miazga, Zman (EPB), Dest, A Robinson
MF: Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams (Morales), Holmes, Green, Pomykal, Boyd, Sonora, Gall
FWD: Sarg, Arjo, Weah

Now that team could make a run for the ‘22 Semis.
This isn't including Llaynez, Ledezma, Mendez, Reyna, Cajuste (eligibility), Soto, Gloster emerging.
Very exciting times

Johansson will be injured.

db707
Post #199
Tuesday August 20, 2019 6:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

My current best 23 for September with alternates in parenthesis.
GK: Steffen, Horvath, IDC
FB: Yedlin (Richards), Cannon, Brooks (Robinson or Hines-Ike), Long (CCV), Miazga, Zman (EPB), Dest, A Robinson
MF: Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams (Morales), Holmes, Green, Pomykal, Boyd, Sonora, Gall
FWD: Sarg, Arjo, Weah

Now that team could make a run for the ‘22 Semis.
This isn't including Llaynez, Ledezma, Mendez, Reyna, Cajuste (eligibility), Soto, Gloster emerging.
Very exciting times


Johannsson? It's great that he's playing again, but in the mediocre Swedish league. Holmes hasn't played for Derby yet this season, I doubt we see him yet. Same with Yedlin and Adams, they need to get fit for their clubs first. Richards is a second team guy who just got back from injury. Gall just got one start and goal after weeks of being mostly on the bench, again in Sweden.

bjelks
Post #200
Tuesday August 20, 2019 7:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
We're not in position to call the Swedish league mediocre with an MLS base.

In my intro statement, I said this was our best (most quality) 23 right now and alternates for injury or rest are in parenthesis. Holmes is in the 23 and can be replaced by any of the CMs or attacking Mids provided. Hell you can throw in Hyndman or Keaton.

Again I provided alternates in parenthesis for Yedlin and Adams.

Richards is my wildcard, everyone has one. He was just man of the match for Bayern II at RB.
This is very exciting.

Gall can't control the coach's logic for selection, but every time he plays, he makes an impact.
I'm picking him because he has obvious quality and our wing play arbor GC was non existent.
Again, with an MLS base, we can't look down on Sweden.

I'm also still interested in Wood and Nova, but for the sake of argument, they need a move
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db707
Post #201
Tuesday August 20, 2019 7:28pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

We're not in position to call the Swedish league mediocre with an MLS base.

In my intro statement, I said this was our best (most quality) 23 right now and alternates for injury or rest are in parenthesis. Holmes is in the 23 and can be replaced by any of the CMs or attacking Mids provided. Hell you can throw in Hyndman or Keaton.

Again I provided alternates in parenthesis for Yedlin and Adams.

Richards is my wildcard, everyone has one. He was just man of the match for Bayern II at RB.
This is very exciting.

Gall can't control the coach's logic for selection, but every time he plays, he makes an impact.
I'm picking him because he has obvious quality and our wing play arbor GC was non existent.
Again, with an MLS base, we can't look down on Sweden.

I'm also still interested in Wood and Nova, but for the sake of argument, they need a move


We absolutely can call the Swedish league mediocre even in the context of MLS. Gall had to go to Sweden when the Crew waived him. You just are enamored with Gall and the 2012-2014 version of Johannsson, like when you were enamored with Moore and making the laughable argument that he had better skills than Yedlin.

I don't get why you're even bothering, in a list for September, to include Yedlin, Adams or Holmes at this point. They're all not fit yet, it's August 20, the chances of any of the 3 getting called for meaningless friendlies are slim to none. Just include guys we might actually call because they are fit and playing.

bjelks
Post #202
Tuesday August 20, 2019 7:37pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from db707

We absolutely can call the Swedish league mediocre even in the context of MLS. Gall had to go to Sweden when the Crew waived him. You just are enamored with Gall and the 2012-2014 version of Johannsson, like when you were enamored with Moore and making the laughable argument that he had better skills than Yedlin.

I don't get why you're even bothering, in a list for September, to include Yedlin, Adams or Holmes at this point. They're all not fit yet, it's August 20, the chances of any of the 3 getting called for meaningless friendlies are slim to none. Just include guys we might actually call because they are fit and playing.


Lol Arjo's technique and composure in front of goal hasn't changed. It's muscle memory

We know that Gall has more quality than Arriola and Morris and they start. If Llaynez makes the first team, he deserves to jump all 3.

Moore is more skilled than Yedlin. I know more skilled players than Yedlin at the park.
Yedlin is just elite athletically.

You clearly ignored that I gave you my best 23 with their alternates for injury in parentheses.
We need a baseline
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db707
Post #203
Tuesday August 20, 2019 8:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

Lol Arjo's technique and composure in front of goal hasn't changed. It's muscle memory

We know that Gall has more quality than Arriola and Morris and they start. If Llaynez makes the first team, he deserves to jump all 3.

Moore is more skilled than Yedlin. I know more skilled players than Yedlin at the park.
Yedlin is just elite athletically.

You clearly ignored that I gave you my best 23 with their alternates for injury in parentheses.
We need a baseline


Your premise doesn't make sense, naming a best 23 for September knowing that some of them are injured and won't be called. Baselines you can put in another thread. But par for the course.

If we can call Johannsson because of "muscle memory", what about your boy Danny Williams? He's available and was also good and healthy 5 years ago?

Great to see your ridiculous opinions on Moore and Yedlin persist. Benchwarmer in Segunda Liga more skilled than a Premier League starter. Sure...

bjelks
Post #204
Tuesday August 20, 2019 8:27pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
If you can't comprehend what best regardless of fitness means, I can't help you bud especially after I gave you alternates.

Johansson is starting and playing consistently, D Will does not have a club. Why be ridiculous?
Also, DWil played 24 games in the EPL 2 yrs ago smh.

Do you know what skill means? He can trap better than Yedlin, dribble better, pass better, turn under pressure better.
Yedlin is a better athlete and defender.
If Yedlin had the quality to match his physical ability, he'd be in a top 8 club.
I know guys at the park that can shoot better than Zardes, dribble better than Arriola, pass better than Morris, Trap better than Trapp etc.
Sometimes getting an opportunity has more to do than actual skill.
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db707
Post #205
Tuesday August 20, 2019 8:35pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

If you can't comprehend what best regardless of fitness means, I can't help you bud especially after I gave you alternates.

Johansson is starting and playing consistently, D Will does not have a club. Why be ridiculous?
Also, DWil played 24 games in the EPL 2 yrs ago smh.

Do you know what skill means? He can trap better than Yedlin, dribble better, pass better, turn under pressure better.
Yedlin is a better athlete and defender.
If Yedlin had the quality to match his physical ability, he'd be in a top 8 club.
I know guys at the park that can shoot better than Zardes, dribble better than Arriola, pass better than Morris, Trap better than Trapp etc.
Sometimes getting an opportunity has more to do than actual skill.


If you can't comprehend the meaning of the word "current', I also can't help you.

I was using reductio ad absurdum re: your Johannsson muscle memory argument, but of course that's beyond your comprehension.

And you're just spouting random nonsense related to Moore and Yedlin. I think I'll trust actual talent evaluators over you, thanks.

bjelks
Post #206
Tuesday August 20, 2019 9:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from db707

If you can't comprehend the meaning of the word "current', I also can't help you.

I was using reductio ad absurdum re: your Johannsson muscle memory argument, but of course that's beyond your comprehension.

And you're just spouting random nonsense related to Moore and Yedlin. I think I'll trust actual talent evaluators over you, thanks.


Bud, use some of your intelligence to just replace the injured or guys that need rest and form for the guys in parenthesis. You being a dick and nitpicking over details that I've already clarified is nonsense.

No you said some bullshit that wasn't true attempting to be snarky to make a point that's not applicable to Arjo and I'm calling you out on it.

Since you've admitted that you can't think for yourself, I'll explain the difference between talent and skill to you.
Talent is your combination of physical ability, (intangibles) iq/ awareness/ instincts, and skill (technique).
You can have better technique than someone without the physical ability and intangibles.
Any of your evaluators will tell you Yedlin's technique is lacking but they like his physical ability and intangibles.
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db707
Post #207
Tuesday August 20, 2019 9:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

Bud, use some of your intelligence to just replace the injured or guys that need rest and form for the guys in parenthesis. You being a dick and nitpicking over details that I've already clarified is nonsense.

No you said some bullshit that wasn't true attempting to be snarky to make a point that's not applicable to Arjo and I'm calling you out on it.

Since you've admitted that you can't think for yourself, I'll explain the difference between talent and skill to you.
Talent is your combination of physical ability, (intangibles) iq/ awareness/ instincts, and skill (technique).
You can have better technique than someone without the physical ability and intangibles.
Any of your evaluators will tell you Yedlin's technique is lacking but they like his physical ability and intangibles.


I was clearly making a joke re: Danny Williams. That it went over your head, like pretty much everything else, is not my problem.

You can call it thinking for yourself, what I am seeing is you doggedly defending an opinion virtually no one would agree with you on.

bjelks
Post #208
Tuesday August 20, 2019 10:36pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from db707

I was clearly making a joke re: Danny Williams. That it went over your head, like pretty much everything else, is not my problem.

You can call it thinking for yourself, what I am seeing is you doggedly defending an opinion virtually no one would agree with you on.


I know you attempted to make a joke. It just wasn't funny, applicable or rooted in substance.

Lol, so now you speak for the group.
Who elected you spokesperson lol?

I used lolz so you would be clear it's a joke
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Lilshmike
Post #209
Tuesday August 20, 2019 11:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
@bjelks

We've covered the Sweden vs MLS debate. Sweden is a step behind MLS. There is plenty of evidence to support that.

Gall isn't even a starter or consistent player for his club. Sure, he had a good game the other day... against one of the worst teams in the Swedish league.

Claiming Moore is better skilled than Yedlin? Thats a joke, and we have been over that one too. If he was... he wouldn't have been playing in the Spanish 3rd tier last year... and he wouldn't be in the Spanish 2nd tier now. He would be above that... but he isn't. Thats pretty straight forward when you're comparing a kid with a few top flight appearances vs someone who has been an established starter in the world's best league for years.

The fact that you have argued non stop for Morales... then didn't even include him in your 23 (only as an alternate in parenthesis) is pretty hilarious.

You are so wildly inconsistent with your claims that its comical. You've claimed stats need to be used to measure a player. When the stats don't back it up, its objective rationale. When that doesn't even seem to back it up, class is permanent, it doesn't matter where they are playing (as long as it isn't in MLS). When those players aren't playing, it has to do with fitness. Making a claim that we don't have 23 players better than certain guys... then ignoring the fact that you called for those guys and substituted them with other people because "rosters and selections are fluid". And when all else fails... its either that we don't comprehend your level of understanding of the game and you can't help us, or... racism! There are so many things in there that are contradictory and just straight up dumb that its laughable.

One thing that is consistent, however, is that you constantly state that anyone who disagrees with your nonsensical claims and calls you out on it is either unable to comprehend your advanced soccer intelligence, or a blind follower of the USSF, or unable to think for ourselves, or a small minded American... oh yeah, and racism.

Great stuff. Keep up the good work, bud.

bjelks
Post #210
Wednesday August 21, 2019 3:29am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
@lilshmike

After failing for a WCQ cycle and a GC campaign relying on mls players maybe we should re-evaluate how we rate them.

Hejduk and Lewis didn't play consistently for their clubs when they were starters on our 02 WC Quarter team.

I call bullshit, there are plenty of lesser skilled players in better leagues because of their physicality and intangibles.

You're nitpicking with Morales, but as I've said my rosters are fluid and flexible. I jotted some notes, I'm not married to it. I see Morales as first 6 after Adams and Mckennie.

I've been completely consistent with my criteria: Quality, League, 1st team, regular player, impact. And I give wildcards for high potential players on a fast track.
Again, I can't make you understand the concept of flexibility and fluidity, so feel how you want to feel about it.

Thanks for your monologue. I'm hurt. I'm all for disagreement, but if you're just going to echo USSF and Gregg and tell us to trust them when they have no evidence of success, what's the value of even stating your opinion.
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