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bjelks
Post #151
Sunday July 28, 2019 3:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Lilshmike

So basically what you're saying is that you have no real standard and just go with a bunch of names of people who are in Euorpe who you may or may not have ever watched play. The fact that you've argued continuously for William's and then left him off is telling. As a matter of fact, that could be a bit racist...

Where is Keaton Parks and Romain Gall? I thought we didnt have 24 players better than them. And is Boyd, Tyler Boyd or Terrence? Because we all know that Terrence is better than Jozy... while being Jozy's backups backup in Toronto.

And we're going to go with Moore now?? Wow... I guess the Spanish 3rd division (where he was playing last year) has a real high standard of play...


Lol, I'll repeat myself once again for you because you require special attn.
The roster should be fluid and should change based on performance and club situation. That's what good programs do, so no one is complacent, which is a big problem for us.

The standard is mls under 21 and making an impact or at least a first team rotational player in a league as good or better than mls.
What is difficult to grasp about that?

I believe in DWill's quality, but we have guys that are getting games in his position at a decent level that are younger. He can get back in the picture.
Keaton and Roman play positions where there is depth and they can get back in my 24 with injuries to others, standout performances, or improving their club or league.
Again rosters should be fluid.

Yes Jozy had 2 of the worst misses I've seen in my life against Curaçao and Mexico and was gassed after 60 mins so he's still big trash and getting worse, so we can move on.
You know I'm referring to Tyler Boyd, cut the crap.
I know you want to keep the good ole boys forever but everything has a sunrise and sunset.

Moore is still young and will be in 2nd division this yr which is better than mls and frankly I don't rate Lima, sorry.

Racist is labeling Bradley irreplaceable no matter how much of a shit show and liability he is.

And if you're Mr. Logical, how are we supposed to evaluate players without bringing them in and how do you know they're not good enough if you haven't seen them play for the nats?

Since you wanna bring up Terrence, Id like to bring up Holmes and Tyler Boyd who were immediately the best players on the field once introduced who I've been calling for since January and you said needed more experience.
So spare me with your lazy ass whatever Gregg says I love evaluations, because you've proved to not know shit.
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #152
Sunday July 28, 2019 4:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 829
Original post from bjelks

Since you wanna bring up Terrence, Id like to bring up Holmes and Tyler Boyd who were immediately the best players on the field once introduced who I've been calling for since January and you said needed more experience.
So spare me with your lazy ass whatever Gregg says I love evaluations, because you've proved to not know shit.


Dude,

If anyone has proven to not know shit it's you. You have zero objectivity and you see things as very black and white with no middle ground. For example only MLS players 21 our under should be considered. Who cares how old or what league if they can ball. The whole player pool should be considered. If one of your golden boys plays they are instantly "the best players on the pitch" according to you despite no one else believing what you believe. When we point out everyone else thought this other guy was good and point out several articles which also support us your answer is, American media is inferior. You believe what you believe and nothing anyone can say will ever change that but you very seriously boarder on being completely delusional.

Lilshmike
Post #153
Sunday July 28, 2019 5:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Dude,

If anyone has proven to not know shit it's you. You have zero objectivity and you see things as very black and white with no middle ground. For example only MLS players 21 our under should be considered. Who cares how old or what league if they can ball. The whole player pool should be considered. If one of your golden boys plays they are instantly "the best players on the pitch" according to you despite no one else believing what you believe. When we point out everyone else thought this other guy was good and point out several articles which also support us your answer is, American media is inferior. You believe what you believe and nothing anyone can say will ever change that but you very seriously boarder on being completely delusional.
Haha facts.

@bjelks, you get proven wrong time and time again and keep coming back and acting like you were right and everyone else was mistaken... or you claim racism, or that everyone is a fanboy, or that we mindlessly follow US soccer and/or MLS, etc.

Its comical, really. Keep up the good work.

bjelks
Post #154
Sunday July 28, 2019 5:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Dude,

If anyone has proven to not know shit it's you. You have zero objectivity and you see things as very black and white with no middle ground. For example only MLS players 21 our under should be considered. Who cares how old or what league if they can ball. The whole player pool should be considered. If one of your golden boys plays they are instantly "the best players on the pitch" according to you despite no one else believing what you believe. When we point out everyone else thought this other guy was good and point out several articles which also support us your answer is, American media is inferior. You believe what you believe and nothing anyone can say will ever change that but you very seriously boarder on being completely delusional.


Lol, real cute but I'm seldom wrong and every guy that I've called for particularly Boyd and Holmes have been better than the options Gregg has picked previously.

There's always middle ground buddy, but you need a baseline and there are always anomalies.
The problem with what you're saying is that isn't ignorant to fact because you don't want to acknowledge that player levels usually are distinguished by league.

The only USA/ MLS player that played in GC that got any attn was Long. He's one player over 21 that credible evaluators outside of MLS or CONCACAF value.
That's the objective fact and it backs up everything I said.

Holmes and Boyd weren't the best players on the pitch because I said so, they were because everyone including commentators and writers said so.

Do you even understand how unlikely a player an mls player over 21 is to play in the Champs league, EPL, Bundesliga? Less than 0.05% .
Have you ever seen an MLS player in a WC semi?
We need mostly if not all Champs, EPL, Bundesliga players to compete!
This is all objective fact!

I want to compete with power house nations for trophies. We can't do that with majority MLS players. They're not good enough, never have been, never will be.
We're trying to race lambos with fiats.
Do you understand we have no chance to beat lambos with fucking fiats?
goalsense
bjelks
Post #155
Sunday July 28, 2019 5:51pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Lilshmike

Haha facts.

@bjelks, you get proven wrong time and time again and keep coming back and acting like you were right and everyone else was mistaken... or you claim racism, or that everyone is a fanboy, or that we mindlessly follow US soccer and/or MLS, etc.

Its comical, really. Keep up the good work.


Just because you dick ride another post doesn't make it fact, it just means you were dick riding.
It's comical because this loser attitude you have of everything being ok when failing is acceptable is the exact same reason our program is a joke.
Because we have a sect of the fan base that are happy with losing as long as we do it the good ole boy way.
I'm sorry I'm never accepting losing and you can continue to bask in mediocrity
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #156
Sunday July 28, 2019 6:21pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 84
It is easy to see none of our key players are choosing MLS. I don't really care where they play but outside of some of our defenders, Jozy and Bradley. The MLS hasn't helped the national team much. So Bjelks has some valid points. He called for Holmes and Holmes looked good. You gotta
Filter some of his delivery.

Saying that, Adams got his start in MLS. Pomykal/Cannon too but they are under 21. And I wouldn't mind seeing some more young defenders from MLS get a shot too. I might choose Long over Miazga has Miazga terrible occasionally

I want to see the most competitive on the field. If it is European or MLS, who cares? But I would say the nod goes to European based players at this period in time.

bjelks
Post #157
Sunday July 28, 2019 6:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Dude,

If anyone has proven to not know shit it's you. You have zero objectivity and you see things as very black and white with no middle ground. For example only MLS players 21 our under should be considered. Who cares how old or what league if they can ball. The whole player pool should be considered. If one of your golden boys plays they are instantly "the best players on the pitch" according to you despite no one else believing what you believe. When we point out everyone else thought this other guy was good and point out several articles which also support us your answer is, American media is inferior. You believe what you believe and nothing anyone can say will ever change that but you very seriously boarder on being completely delusional.


I respect Jermaine Jones. He didn't grow up in the good ole boy system.
He's led clubs top 4 finishes in the Bundesliga and knockout round finishes in Champs League.
He has been capped by Germany
In the last WC, he was clearly our best player.

He said a 20 yr old first team player in Bundesliga is much better than a 25 yr old regular starter in MLS because of the competition he faces day in and day out to earn and keep his place.
That's logical, it's a fact and it's objective by someone who's been a part of both set ups and leagues who has been considered world class in his prime and has seen success at a high level.

Zlatan at 37 is the best player in the MLS and he called it a joke last week.

Look I'm not here to bash MLS, but we need to be more realistic about what it is.

In our last qualy campaign, we built the team around Micheal Bradley, Jozy and MLS vets and failed to beat some part time players, because they weren't good enough, the MLS VETS weren't good enough to beat Trinidad.
That's a fact.

So when I rant about it being an absurd practice to not even call fringe and even rotational Euro players for an audition when these MLS vets get unlimited opportunities no matter how bad they perform, I'm objectively using the information we have to point out the federation and shit head tool of a manager is purposely leaving out better players to push their inferior product.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #158
Sunday July 28, 2019 7:08pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
I'm done for the most part with Bradley/Jozy but to ignore the fact they were bought and brought back into MLS is doing this topic a disservice. They came for the money to MLS , but their respective levels of play were higher than that (at that time). A few years on Bradley's legs are done, but he was a top MLS player not some random guy.

hamsamwich
Post #159
Monday July 29, 2019 2:17am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
As far as a guy who can play that role, how about a look at Keaton Parks if we want MLS guys? He's playing for the team averaging the most points in the eastern conference in his season on loan from benfica. Parks has been playing a lot and has the type of technical skill valued in a central midfielder by Berhalter.

bjelks
Post #160
Monday July 29, 2019 3:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Can he cover and tackle well enough to ask an impact as an international 6?
goalsense
bjelks
Post #161
Monday July 29, 2019 3:06am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
*make an impact
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #162
Monday July 29, 2019 12:32pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
That's the point of the friendly game. I know he's a lot younger than Bradley and even Trapp, and is a different option to Adams or McKennie. I'd start him against Uruguay and just see what happens.

hamsamwich
Post #163
Monday July 29, 2019 3:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
Also there's questions over mcKennies ability to do the same he sort of struggled a few times with the caveat that it was Bradley next to him. I'd like to see Parks with Pomykal and Lletget (if fit) for the Uruguay game as our midfield three.

Mexico game: Adams-McKennie with Pulisic
Uruguay game: Parks-Pomykal with Lletget

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #164
Monday July 29, 2019 3:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 829
Original post from bjelks

I respect Jermaine Jones. He didn't grow up in the good ole boy system.
He's led clubs top 4 finishes in the Bundesliga and knockout round finishes in Champs League.
He has been capped by Germany
In the last WC, he was clearly our best player.

He said a 20 yr old first team player in Bundesliga is much better than a 25 yr old regular starter in MLS because of the competition he faces day in and day out to earn and keep his place.
That's logical, it's a fact and it's objective by someone who's been a part of both set ups and leagues who has been considered world class in his prime and has seen success at a high level.

Zlatan at 37 is the best player in the MLS and he called it a joke last week.

Look I'm not here to bash MLS, but we need to be more realistic about what it is.

In our last qualy campaign, we built the team around Micheal Bradley, Jozy and MLS vets and failed to beat some part time players, because they weren't good enough, the MLS VETS weren't good enough to beat Trinidad.
That's a fact.

So when I rant about it being an absurd practice to not even call fringe and even rotational Euro players for an audition when these MLS vets get unlimited opportunities no matter how bad they perform, I'm objectively using the information we have to point out the federation and shit head tool of a manager is purposely leaving out better players to push their inferior product.


This is a well thought out post that I enjoyed reading, you are making valid points with out all the Hyperbole. I agree with you on a lot of what you say. I agree with JJ and I DO think there is an MLS bias. I however don't think that because a player plays in MLS he is shit no matter what. I do think that the guys who play in lower leagues in Europe do deserve their fair shot at the nats. but in a lot of cases they are not the upgrades you think they are.

bjelks
Post #165
Monday July 29, 2019 4:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Kamphgruppe

This is a well thought out post that I enjoyed reading, you are making valid points with out all the Hyperbole. I agree with you on a lot of what you say. I agree with JJ and I DO think there is an MLS bias. I however don't think that because a player plays in MLS he is shit no matter what. I do think that the guys who play in lower leagues in Europe do deserve their fair shot at the nats. but in a lot of cases they are not the upgrades you think they are.


Very fair points.
I apologize for my profanity, but sometimes I get excited and I'm very passionate.
I do not think all MLS players are shit as I have stated I like Pomykal and I respect Long and Cannon.
I think Lima and Zman are alright, but they just dont standout to me.
However, I'm very critical of Arriola and Morris attacking and technical ability and I think we have better options than Jozy and Bradley.
goalsense
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